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Old 06-08-2014, 01:57 PM   #101
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Yeah, so why did you put words in my mouth by putting RFremont's quote in a quote box using my nick?
You don't even know who you are quoting.

Here, fixed it for you :




umm, I have no fucking idea how I did that. who gives a shit. oh, you do, because you can't figure out it must have been a simple c&p oversight vs. some sort of trickery attempt to do what, I have no fucking idea.

The level of seriousness y'all have over my initial comment is hilarious, again, ftr, that comment: I have a hard time gathering sympathy for a career porn dude who commits suicide because his career of fucking porn chicks ($300 whores according to your interpretation of my comment) comes to an end.
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Old 06-08-2014, 02:10 PM   #102
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i'm too paranoid to fuck escorts/hookers or whatever. i'd just be thinking how long until one of them stabs me or robs me or has some dude waiting to beat the shit out of me, lol. not to mention the dirty factor that who knows how many other guys she fucked that day and did she shower inbetween or what, etc. i love eating pussy but i don't see how anyone would eat escort pussy but maybe thats just me.

i can see how it would make it much easier to experience certain situations that aren't easy to make happen with regular girls but it would be hard to get the idea out of my head that she can't wait for me to get the fuck off her, get her money and on to the next one or to score some drugs or whatever reason she is doing it in the first place. as someone who's never been that great at scoring girls, having them want me (or at least my cock) is somewhat important i guess.
When I was doing that stuff, I always read theeroticreview.com first. If a girl has no reviews, then I wouldn't go. At least that's how I did it and the experience was always great. 100% of the time, the girl was the same as in the pictures.
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Old 06-08-2014, 02:13 PM   #103
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Male talent make a real good living, the top guys make as much as the top girls. The mid-level guys used to pretty well too but with so much less production going on there's not enough work for them. Brazzers has guys signed to exclusive deals.

What happened to Michael Stefano, he was a top guy and owned his own studio?
Huh? What "top guys" make as much as the top girls?

The top guys in L.A. are lucky to make $500 for a scene...VERY lucky. I've paid those same guys a LOT less outside of L.A.

The only "top guys" who make as much money as the girls are the ones directing their own films. As far as the guys who work the most in the valley, I'm unaware of any of them coming close to getting paid as much as a top girl (just to be the cock in the sex scene).

I've had PLENTY of them want to do "content trades", and I flat out told them "no". The only "top guys" that make the same as a girl are the ones in gay porn.

In straight porn the girl is the star of the show. And the "top guys" are the dependable ones who can always get wood and a cumshot. They are interchangeable.

Of course I'm not talking about the ones who have went from just fucking into directing and such. James Deen probably makes as much as a chick.

But when it comes to just getting paid to be a stunt cock in a porn scene? No way.
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Old 06-08-2014, 02:31 PM   #104
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Did Mutt really start a thread so we could all feel sorry for white male porn studs who enjoyed many years of getting paid hundreds of dollars per scene to fuck hot girls because they couldn't figure out a second act in their lives and careers? First World problems!
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Yes he did Jim. LOL!

I started out as a stunt cock and after having my fun I moved on.

In my opinion...it's not the way the performer looks at a certain age by the way...there is a huge market for "old" guys fucking "teens".
But the problem becomes when their cock is undependable.

That's when I stopped doing it.
When I couldn't 100% depend on my cock getting hard on command and cumming on command...it was time for me to stop doing it.

You have to be able to do it every time, on time. Last thing a producer wants is to stand there for hours shooting film of a pissed off girl sucking a flaccid cock while giving out evil stares.
Or a guy who has overheated and can't cum and fucks her raw.

And unfortunately, that eventually happens to all of us as we get older.
It may work just fine for "real life" fucking. But for the challenges of shooting a scene...that's not good enough.
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Old 06-08-2014, 03:25 PM   #106
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So fyi robbies cock is broken cause hes old....hehehe.
Sorry Robbie couldn't help it.
god will strike down with vengence upon my cock one day too, I feel it coming.
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Old 06-08-2014, 03:29 PM   #107
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Dave is the rarest of exceptions especially in the US porn industry. Oldje.com was, maybe still is, a huge success. Older man fucks teen girl theme, high end production. I joined that site 10 years ago, the men were mostly middle aged, 40-50. Then a few years ago I went back to check it out again, holy shit, the men they were using were now ancient, one little guy has to be 80. It was obvious to me that the owners of the site had feedback from their members that they wanted really old men to be fucking the young beauties. They also require more deep French kissing than any porn producer I know. Gotta admit, it's bizarrely hot to me to see a beautiful 18 year old chewing on a 70 year old man's tongue and fucking him like she's actually into him.

Most high end escorts want the older clientele, many won't even accept younger guys as clients.
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Old 06-08-2014, 03:40 PM   #108
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Huh? What "top guys" make as much as the top girls?

The top guys in L.A. are lucky to make $500 for a scene...VERY lucky. I've paid those same guys a LOT less outside of L.A.

The only "top guys" who make as much money as the girls are the ones directing their own films. As far as the guys who work the most in the valley, I'm unaware of any of them coming close to getting paid as much as a top girl (just to be the cock in the sex scene).
I said the 'top guys'. Contact Manuel Ferrara, James Deen, Erik Everhard, the British guy who does a ton of Brazzers scenes, Johnny Sins and a few others I only know by face if they'll shoot for you for 500 bucks.

JustDaveXXX who produces for Brazzers would know what the top guys are making these days. Hopefully he'll see read this thread and post.
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I said the 'top guys'. Contact Manuel Ferrara, James Deen, Erik Everhard, the British guy who does a ton of Brazzers scenes, Johnny Sins and a few others I only know by face if they'll shoot for you for 500 bucks.

JustDaveXXX who produces for Brazzers would know what the top guys are making these days. Hopefully he'll see read this thread and post.
I agree about the guys who PRODUCE and even star in their own series.

But that's not even close to the norm.

And I wouldn't pay any of the guys you mentioned $500 in a million years. They won't sell one new membership or make me one dollar more than any other guy.

The GIRL is the one that straight porn centers around.

And yes, there are exceptions as you just mentioned.

But no...there aren't a bunch of "top guys" making the same money as the girls. Nobody is that dumb to pay them that. Especially these days.

Male talent has ALWAYS made a fraction of what female talent does (in straight porn).

That's why you see almost all the "straight" male talent doing gay porn on the side.
It pays a LOT more for them.
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So fyi robbies cock is broken cause hes old....hehehe.
Sorry Robbie couldn't help it.
god will strike down with vengence upon my cock one day too, I feel it coming.
Nah, my cock ain't broke...yet! lol

But I can't 100% walk onto a set and know beyond any shadow of a doubt that I can do everything on command and not waste any time.

So I stopped doing that.

Plus it was really just a lot of fun. Not much money in being male talent. I had a great time doing it, but I really enjoy shooting movies behind the camera a lot more.
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After a lot of thought while I was pooping, I'm going to add an exception to my long post above.

Crazy in the head = crazy in bed.

Bi-Polar and other unstable woman often have pussy that can wreck your life if you're not careful.



One reason they like young boys is for the same reason shemale porn sells to straight guys. That's not the only reason, but that is part of it. There are a lot of bi and bi-curious guys out there.

That said, who doesn't want to watch a hot young couple get it on? No offense to older or rougher looking guys in the biz, because they do have their place, but a good looking younger couple can be hot to watch if they are into each other, where most porn in the past is just a girl getting fucked and treated poorly. The art porn that is being made now, if you want to call it that, is more about sex and having a good time, and less about abusing the girl. If I had to choose between watching a known porn guy, or some ragged out looking dude, choke a girl and put his foot on her head while fucking her vs a young couple who appear to be into each other, I'm picking the couple every time.
How old are you? and you still thinking watching younger people is hot?
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Did Mutt really start a thread so we could all feel sorry for white male porn studs who enjoyed many years of getting paid hundreds of dollars per scene to fuck hot girls because they couldn't figure out a second act in their lives and careers? First World problems!
Good spot on. As if porn acting was supposed to be full time all life job
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Old 06-08-2014, 06:57 PM   #113
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you have an uncanny need to keep putting words in people's mouths, beginning with your butting into a convo and restating something entirely wrong in an attempt to explain it to me and continuing through the above comment, still misstating my view.

pussy = pussy means , jesus, fucking n/m, trying to explain that there are a million different definitions of pussy depending on the dude on a porner board is even more retarded than arguing about it with someone who can't follow the thread.


too fucking funny.
How am I putting words in people's mouth when I was clarifying what we're talking about when saying 'pussy is pussy' you twat, the previous post was saying 'pussy all feels the same in the dark', I was pointing out there are a lot of colloquialisms for referring to women including calling them 'pussy', and I was stating my point based on that reference about women in general, not the actual pussy itself. Pay attention.

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sorry im late to the thread I was offshore fishing since fri

You did mention john Dough very very few people know why he committed suicide

He had tested HIV positive 3 days prior to his suicide Im not feeling sorry really for anyone we all make choices in life and we live with them a lot of guy come into the biz and they are more damaged than many of the girls, they have no matrketable skills little or no education and when their dick starts to fail them they have little to hope for. Just like the girls they think it will last forever it doesnt....

and FWIW James Deen is NOT going to eclipse anyone....he has done well but he is as far up as he will get...he is even arguably on the way back down.
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and FWIW James Deen is NOT going to eclipse anyone....he has done well but he is as far up as he will get...he is even arguably on the way back down.
An ABC Nightline piece on him and other mainstream coverage of his popularity with regular women. Just in that way he has eclipsed others.

He has his own DVD deal with Evil Angel which is the best a male talent can do other than create his own company like Stagliano and Jules Jordan.

Not even a fan of his, his boy/dork next door persona is annoying. I imagine him as a bad sitcom character.
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An ABC Nightline piece on him and other mainstream coverage of his popularity with regular women. Just in that way he has eclipsed others.

He has his own DVD deal with Evil Angel which is the best a male talent can do other than create his own company like Stagliano and Jules Jordan.

Not even a fan of his, his boy/dork next door persona is annoying. I imagine him as a bad sitcom character.
I agree that he has done well for himself. Much better than other male performers currently.

I respect that he has the ambition and drive to take whatever talents he has and be an overachiever.

Having said that...I'd bet that even with my income slashed by piracy over the last few years...I would bet that I still make more money in a couple of months than he will all year.

DVD's don't sell in case you didn't notice. Studios like Evil Angel have cut production, etc.

It's all a matter of perspective I suppose.

But in comparison to every other current "male talent"? He has overachieved and left them all in the dust.

So he's probably the highest-paid guy in a group of guys who don't make much money.
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How old are you? and you still thinking watching younger people is hot?
Are you suggesting that past a certain age in life, people no longer appreciate young beauty? What planet are you living on? Because you're clearly not living on the same one as me and DWB, lol.
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Male performers should be happy to get paid anything to fuck fine looking girls -- and as a bonus have it documented on video. The main thing they have going for them is they're not a dime a dozen like the girls are, but we all know porn is watched mostly by men who want to see beautiful girls having sex.

The chicks should make as much money as they want.
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This thread is funny.

You guys all pay for it. Some just pay upfront, with both parties knowing it is a business arrangement at the outset.

While male customers no doubt outnumber female or couples who join to watch together by vast numbers, the latter groups are still there. As porn becomes more mainstream, those demographics are growing. And lots of them want to look at the male talent.

Hot male talent, like James Deen.
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only the porn industry take advantage of people.
only the porn industry hire rape victims and troubled people.
only the porn industry drive people to suicide.

yep, true story.
Was this sarcasm? Suicides are high in other mainstream industries as well. And of course Foxconn
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Are you suggesting that past a certain age in life, people no longer appreciate young beauty? What planet are you living on? Because you're clearly not living on the same one as me and DWB, lol.
I live in America the United States of America where we are supposed to mature as we get older meaning your taste should mature as well.

Those who really go out of their way to seek those who are 15 to 20 years young are complete creeps.

The only time this is not so bad in American perception is if the 50+ yr old male has millions of dollars like the Anna Nicole Smith scenario. Most people think he has a creepy pervert.
But hey more power to him, but we all know why she was with the 90 year old. MONEY.

I am 40 now so therefore my maturity grew with me I am attracted to 30 yrs or older.

A flower that blossomed last week is beautiful and only a week old doesn't mean I wanna have sex with it because its beautiful.

Keep on justifying the perversions. More reasons to steer clear of many in this industry who have no values, morals or self respect.
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I live in America the United States of America where we are supposed to mature as we get older meaning your taste should mature as well.
Huh?

I don't chase young tail...though I wouldn't turn it down either...but "America the United States of America"?

You mean the country that only RECENTLY started all of this crap about how it's "bad" to want to fuck a girl if she's too young? (not talking about children of course).

I guess you never heard of Elvis Presley and his 14 year old girlfriend (and later wife) Priscilla Presley?
Or the song "Only 16" by Sam Cook from the 1950's, later redone by Dr. Hook in the 1970's (HUGE hit both times)
Or the song "Sexy At 17" by The Stray Cats?
Or Ringo Starr's big hit in the U.S.: "You're 16, You're Beautiful, And You're Mine"

Dude, the U.S. culture has ALWAYS been about hot young girls and fast cars. It's not a few "creeps".
I think you may be mirroring your own thoughts that our recent societal change has imprinted on you.

I say "live and let live".
And keep in mind that a majority of younger women WANT an older man.
Stop trying to think that YOU somehow can determine what is sexually arousing to these younger women. You don't have a clue.
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Robbie, only celebs like elvis, michael jackson, hugh hef, ect are allowed to date and marry under age girls in America.
Brooke Shields was under age in the film BLUE LAGOON.
Why dont you go remake that movie using a 16 year old girl and let's see what happens to you.

Why dont you go marry a 15 year old let's see what happens to you.
I can guarantee you will be arrested, booked and convicted.
Warren Jeff was not a celeb so he was BURNED! My point proven.

Celebs are treated as gods and have a free pass to get away with so much more than you and I.

By you using celebs is a mistake and informs me that you have NO CLUE.

I do have a clue.

"Dude, the U.S. culture has ALWAYS been about hot young girls and fast cars."

Robbie,I did all that when I was 15 to 25, young girls and fast cars. However, I matured into females my age with the same fast cars.
Maybe I am wrong I should be arrested and sent to jail since I dont agree with most pornographers. Ha ha ha ha ha ha

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That's just YOU.

Doesn't mean that other guys are "creeps" as you said.

And again, younger women LOVE older men. When I was a young guy and would see that I always thought "it's for the money".

But as I talked to women over the years...I found out that it wasn't about the money, they felt "safe" with an older man and had a sexual proclivity for it.

As far as "celebrities"...that wasn't my point. My point was that those celebrities and the lives they led were celebrated in the U.S., as well as the songs they wrote about chasing young tail.

These days? Religious nuts have turned shit upside down and have caused our society to think that both hot young women AND fast cars are "bad"! lol

And by the way, when I was 15 to 25 I WANTED a fast car...just couldn't afford it. As for women? I was busy chasing the women who were a few years older than me.
A lot of young guys are attracted to older women and vice versa.

It really wasn't until I got older that I ever got any attention from younger women.

I'm 13 years older than Claudia Marie for instance. She was only 25 when I met her. And I was dating a 19 year old black girl at that time (I was 38 years old then).

And I didn't chase after that 19 year old black girl, or the 18 year old white girl I was seeing a couple of months earlier. And I didn't spend any money on either of them. They just wanted to have sex with me. What did you want me to do? Say no? lol
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Robbie, you are correct this is the way I was raised and conditioned as an American citizen of the Unites States. Under 18 OFF LIMITS. It is also illegal here.

I recognize that young girls are attractive, but it is a once second recognition that I would never act on. That is just me.
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This is not a porn specific issue. It happens to every industry.

Talent in general makes a ton of fast easy money, if they dont save or plan thats on them.

Anyways suicide is more emotional than financial.Finances are just an excuse.
Might not be porn specific but its so prevalent, especially among male talent that it can be added as one of the drawbacks for being a male talent.
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Originally Posted by Rumbledog View Post
Robbie, you are correct this is the way I was raised and conditioned as an American citizen of the Unites States. Under 18 OFF LIMITS. It is also illegal here.

I recognize that young girls are attractive, but it is a once second recognition that I would never act on. That is just me.
Fair enough.
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