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06-08-2014, 01:57 PM | #101 | |
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The level of seriousness y'all have over my initial comment is hilarious, again, ftr, that comment: I have a hard time gathering sympathy for a career porn dude who commits suicide because his career of fucking porn chicks ($300 whores according to your interpretation of my comment) comes to an end. |
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The top guys in L.A. are lucky to make $500 for a scene...VERY lucky. I've paid those same guys a LOT less outside of L.A. The only "top guys" who make as much money as the girls are the ones directing their own films. As far as the guys who work the most in the valley, I'm unaware of any of them coming close to getting paid as much as a top girl (just to be the cock in the sex scene). I've had PLENTY of them want to do "content trades", and I flat out told them "no". The only "top guys" that make the same as a girl are the ones in gay porn. In straight porn the girl is the star of the show. And the "top guys" are the dependable ones who can always get wood and a cumshot. They are interchangeable. Of course I'm not talking about the ones who have went from just fucking into directing and such. James Deen probably makes as much as a chick. But when it comes to just getting paid to be a stunt cock in a porn scene? No way. |
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Did Mutt really start a thread so we could all feel sorry for white male porn studs who enjoyed many years of getting paid hundreds of dollars per scene to fuck hot girls because they couldn't figure out a second act in their lives and careers? First World problems!
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Yes he did Jim. LOL!
I started out as a stunt cock and after having my fun I moved on. In my opinion...it's not the way the performer looks at a certain age by the way...there is a huge market for "old" guys fucking "teens". But the problem becomes when their cock is undependable. That's when I stopped doing it. When I couldn't 100% depend on my cock getting hard on command and cumming on command...it was time for me to stop doing it. You have to be able to do it every time, on time. Last thing a producer wants is to stand there for hours shooting film of a pissed off girl sucking a flaccid cock while giving out evil stares. Or a guy who has overheated and can't cum and fucks her raw. And unfortunately, that eventually happens to all of us as we get older. It may work just fine for "real life" fucking. But for the challenges of shooting a scene...that's not good enough. |
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So fyi robbies cock is broken cause hes old....hehehe.
Sorry Robbie couldn't help it. god will strike down with vengence upon my cock one day too, I feel it coming. |
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Dave is the rarest of exceptions especially in the US porn industry. Oldje.com was, maybe still is, a huge success. Older man fucks teen girl theme, high end production. I joined that site 10 years ago, the men were mostly middle aged, 40-50. Then a few years ago I went back to check it out again, holy shit, the men they were using were now ancient, one little guy has to be 80. It was obvious to me that the owners of the site had feedback from their members that they wanted really old men to be fucking the young beauties. They also require more deep French kissing than any porn producer I know. Gotta admit, it's bizarrely hot to me to see a beautiful 18 year old chewing on a 70 year old man's tongue and fucking him like she's actually into him.
Most high end escorts want the older clientele, many won't even accept younger guys as clients.
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JustDaveXXX who produces for Brazzers would know what the top guys are making these days. Hopefully he'll see read this thread and post.
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But that's not even close to the norm. And I wouldn't pay any of the guys you mentioned $500 in a million years. They won't sell one new membership or make me one dollar more than any other guy. The GIRL is the one that straight porn centers around. And yes, there are exceptions as you just mentioned. But no...there aren't a bunch of "top guys" making the same money as the girls. Nobody is that dumb to pay them that. Especially these days. Male talent has ALWAYS made a fraction of what female talent does (in straight porn). That's why you see almost all the "straight" male talent doing gay porn on the side. It pays a LOT more for them. |
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But I can't 100% walk onto a set and know beyond any shadow of a doubt that I can do everything on command and not waste any time. So I stopped doing that. Plus it was really just a lot of fun. Not much money in being male talent. I had a great time doing it, but I really enjoy shooting movies behind the camera a lot more. |
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06-08-2014, 06:11 PM | #111 | |
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sorry im late to the thread I was offshore fishing since fri
You did mention john Dough very very few people know why he committed suicide He had tested HIV positive 3 days prior to his suicide Im not feeling sorry really for anyone we all make choices in life and we live with them a lot of guy come into the biz and they are more damaged than many of the girls, they have no matrketable skills little or no education and when their dick starts to fail them they have little to hope for. Just like the girls they think it will last forever it doesnt.... and FWIW James Deen is NOT going to eclipse anyone....he has done well but he is as far up as he will get...he is even arguably on the way back down.
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He has his own DVD deal with Evil Angel which is the best a male talent can do other than create his own company like Stagliano and Jules Jordan. Not even a fan of his, his boy/dork next door persona is annoying. I imagine him as a bad sitcom character.
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I respect that he has the ambition and drive to take whatever talents he has and be an overachiever. Having said that...I'd bet that even with my income slashed by piracy over the last few years...I would bet that I still make more money in a couple of months than he will all year. DVD's don't sell in case you didn't notice. Studios like Evil Angel have cut production, etc. It's all a matter of perspective I suppose. But in comparison to every other current "male talent"? He has overachieved and left them all in the dust. So he's probably the highest-paid guy in a group of guys who don't make much money. |
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Are you suggesting that past a certain age in life, people no longer appreciate young beauty? What planet are you living on? Because you're clearly not living on the same one as me and DWB, lol.
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Male performers should be happy to get paid anything to fuck fine looking girls -- and as a bonus have it documented on video. The main thing they have going for them is they're not a dime a dozen like the girls are, but we all know porn is watched mostly by men who want to see beautiful girls having sex.
The chicks should make as much money as they want.
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This thread is funny.
You guys all pay for it. Some just pay upfront, with both parties knowing it is a business arrangement at the outset. While male customers no doubt outnumber female or couples who join to watch together by vast numbers, the latter groups are still there. As porn becomes more mainstream, those demographics are growing. And lots of them want to look at the male talent. Hot male talent, like James Deen.
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Was this sarcasm? Suicides are high in other mainstream industries as well. And of course Foxconn
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Those who really go out of their way to seek those who are 15 to 20 years young are complete creeps. The only time this is not so bad in American perception is if the 50+ yr old male has millions of dollars like the Anna Nicole Smith scenario. Most people think he has a creepy pervert. But hey more power to him, but we all know why she was with the 90 year old. MONEY. I am 40 now so therefore my maturity grew with me I am attracted to 30 yrs or older. A flower that blossomed last week is beautiful and only a week old doesn't mean I wanna have sex with it because its beautiful. Keep on justifying the perversions. More reasons to steer clear of many in this industry who have no values, morals or self respect. |
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I don't chase young tail...though I wouldn't turn it down either...but "America the United States of America"? You mean the country that only RECENTLY started all of this crap about how it's "bad" to want to fuck a girl if she's too young? (not talking about children of course). I guess you never heard of Elvis Presley and his 14 year old girlfriend (and later wife) Priscilla Presley? Or the song "Only 16" by Sam Cook from the 1950's, later redone by Dr. Hook in the 1970's (HUGE hit both times) Or the song "Sexy At 17" by The Stray Cats? Or Ringo Starr's big hit in the U.S.: "You're 16, You're Beautiful, And You're Mine" Dude, the U.S. culture has ALWAYS been about hot young girls and fast cars. It's not a few "creeps". I think you may be mirroring your own thoughts that our recent societal change has imprinted on you. I say "live and let live". And keep in mind that a majority of younger women WANT an older man. Stop trying to think that YOU somehow can determine what is sexually arousing to these younger women. You don't have a clue. |
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Robbie, only celebs like elvis, michael jackson, hugh hef, ect are allowed to date and marry under age girls in America.
Brooke Shields was under age in the film BLUE LAGOON. Why dont you go remake that movie using a 16 year old girl and let's see what happens to you. Why dont you go marry a 15 year old let's see what happens to you. I can guarantee you will be arrested, booked and convicted. Warren Jeff was not a celeb so he was BURNED! My point proven. Celebs are treated as gods and have a free pass to get away with so much more than you and I. By you using celebs is a mistake and informs me that you have NO CLUE. I do have a clue. "Dude, the U.S. culture has ALWAYS been about hot young girls and fast cars." Robbie,I did all that when I was 15 to 25, young girls and fast cars. However, I matured into females my age with the same fast cars. Maybe I am wrong I should be arrested and sent to jail since I dont agree with most pornographers. Ha ha ha ha ha ha |
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That's just YOU.
Doesn't mean that other guys are "creeps" as you said. And again, younger women LOVE older men. When I was a young guy and would see that I always thought "it's for the money". But as I talked to women over the years...I found out that it wasn't about the money, they felt "safe" with an older man and had a sexual proclivity for it. As far as "celebrities"...that wasn't my point. My point was that those celebrities and the lives they led were celebrated in the U.S., as well as the songs they wrote about chasing young tail. These days? Religious nuts have turned shit upside down and have caused our society to think that both hot young women AND fast cars are "bad"! lol And by the way, when I was 15 to 25 I WANTED a fast car...just couldn't afford it. As for women? I was busy chasing the women who were a few years older than me. A lot of young guys are attracted to older women and vice versa. It really wasn't until I got older that I ever got any attention from younger women. I'm 13 years older than Claudia Marie for instance. She was only 25 when I met her. And I was dating a 19 year old black girl at that time (I was 38 years old then). And I didn't chase after that 19 year old black girl, or the 18 year old white girl I was seeing a couple of months earlier. And I didn't spend any money on either of them. They just wanted to have sex with me. What did you want me to do? Say no? lol |
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Robbie, you are correct this is the way I was raised and conditioned as an American citizen of the Unites States. Under 18 OFF LIMITS. It is also illegal here.
I recognize that young girls are attractive, but it is a once second recognition that I would never act on. That is just me. |
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Might not be porn specific but its so prevalent, especially among male talent that it can be added as one of the drawbacks for being a male talent.
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