Freeones keeps screwing my sales to traffic ratio... - GoFuckYourself.com

NatalieK · 05-25-2017, 01:40 PM

ok, i´m kind of happy, as after Freeones adds a gallery to my collection on my pornstar profile in Freeones, they first gain sales & secondly I gain traffic. However, obviously most people on Freeones are looking for freebies, free pics, free clips, & obviously this traffic is mass compared to my other affiliates.

This week they added one of my FHGs & ended up putting my sales to traffic to 1:287, it´s been under 200 for ages, so it´s a bit of a climb, however, they gained a sale from 2000 hits, which in turn isn´t bad from their kind of traffic.

The question i´m asking is, is this kind of traffic worth it or would it be best to keep to direct traffic from affiliates & my social media presenting the site as a paid site & not free porn?

Ferus · 05-25-2017, 01:50 PM

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wehateporn · 05-25-2017, 01:50 PM

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Struggle4Bucks · 05-25-2017, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

Freeones keeps screwing my sales to traffic ratio...

So what? Your ratio's are not public statistics... So unless you post them here.... oh wait...

I think I see what you did there...

OneHungLo · 05-25-2017, 02:08 PM

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rogueteens · 05-25-2017, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

So what? Your ratio's are not public statistics... So unless you post them here.... oh wait...

I think I see what you did there...

I think we all do

robwod · 05-25-2017, 03:09 PM

What does it matter if it's 1: 267 or 1:10,000.... the only thing you should be concerned about is (a) you never had to pay a partner account to submit to FreeOnes (b) they listed your gallery (d) They gave you a permanent link in their database (d) you got a sale from it.

Focus your attention on retaining that customer (rebilling). Customer retention is a lot cheaper than new customer acquisition.

The only thing your 1:200 ratio does is the ability to say, "Hey, my site gets 1:200 signup ratios!!". Big deal. Affiliates don't care if you tell them your site has a 1:200 ratio. The only thing affiliates are concerned about, or should be concerned about, is who pays them the most for their traffic.

They certainly didn't "screw your sales to traffic ratio" as your ridiculous thread title suggests. Honestly, I wouldn't blame them if they told you to get lost for making such a nonsensical thread.

wehateporn · 05-25-2017, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by robwod

What does it matter if it's 1: 267 or 1:10,000.... the only thing you should be concerned about is (a) you never had to pay a partner account to submit to FreeOnes (b) they listed your gallery (d) They gave you a permanent link in their database (d) you got a sale from it.

Focus your attention on retaining that customer (rebilling). Customer retention is a lot cheaper than new customer acquisition.

The only thing your 1:200 ratio does is the ability to say, "Hey, my site gets 1:200 signup ratios!!". Big deal. Affiliates don't care if you tell them your site has a 1:200 ratio. The only thing affiliates are concerned about, or should be concerned about, is who pays them the most for their traffic.

They certainly didn't "screw your sales to traffic ratio" as your ridiculous thread title suggests. Honestly, I wouldn't blame them if they told you to get lost for making such a nonsensical thread.

When a sponsor shares ratios, I assume they are fake, though of course there are honest ones like GSpot

When an affiliate shares ratios, if they are bad I listen, if they are good I am confused why they are sharing and encouraging competition

The Porn Nerd · 05-25-2017, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by robwod

What does it matter if it's 1: 267 or 1:10,000.... the only thing you should be concerned about is (a) you never had to pay a partner account to submit to FreeOnes (b) they listed your gallery (d) They gave you a permanent link in their database (d) you got a sale from it.

Focus your attention on retaining that customer (rebilling). Customer retention is a lot cheaper than new customer acquisition.

The only thing your 1:200 ratio does is the ability to say, "Hey, my site gets 1:200 signup ratios!!". Big deal. Affiliates don't care if you tell them your site has a 1:200 ratio. The only thing affiliates are concerned about, or should be concerned about, is who pays them the most for their traffic.

They certainly didn't "screw your sales to traffic ratio" as your ridiculous thread title suggests. Honestly, I wouldn't blame them if they told you to get lost for making such a nonsensical thread.

See what Rob posted above but to add to that: it's YOUR job to figure out how to convert Freeones traffic. Period. Make a special Tour just for them, re-design your site and A-B test different versions, try creating different kinds of galleries, etc etc etc etc....

The only time too much traffic becomes a problem is when it's coming from unscrupulous places, leads to viruses and worms, gets you banned from Programs and Google, etc. Barring any of that, figure out how to monetize that additional traffic. THAT is your job.

Good luck!

NatalieK · 05-25-2017, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by robwod

What does it matter if it's 1: 267 or 1:10,000....

Big deal. Affiliates don't care if you tell them your site has a 1:200 ratio. The only thing affiliates are concerned about, or should be concerned about, is who pays them the most for their traffic.

They certainly didn't "screw your sales to traffic ratio" as your ridiculous thread title suggests. Honestly, I wouldn't blame them if they told you to get lost for making such a nonsensical thread.

First, i´m not moaning about Freeones... I get on very well with freeones representatives.

I´m merely asking if it is worth having higher sales to traffic ratio than having a few extra sales a month from a huge amount of traffic that is raising my sales to traffic ratio.

You do say that it´s important to have a high paying program, which mine is & with sales ratio of 1:200 as a usual, this also giving a high ratio for affiliates to be paid.

So you´re saying that this could change how many affiliates begin working with my site, if it was to go up any further?

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

When a sponsor shares ratios, I assume they are fake, though of course there are honest ones like GSpot

When an affiliate shares ratios, if they are bad I listen, if they are good I am confused why they are sharing and encouraging competition

WHP, one thing Gary & I are is fake, no, nothing I´ve said is fake & at no point have I said anything negative about freeones, I love all the people I speak to from freeones & I appreciate the traffic & sales.

I do however want to know if you as an affiliate or anyone as a site or program owner would feel a higher sale to traffic ratio work or is it a negative factor for a few sales.

Let´s be honest 2000:1 from a site like freeone´s is fantastic still & so I´m pleased with my site & content, however i´m still asking the same question...

is it better to have those galleries shown to raise traffic or would most site owners prefer to have the better stats?

NatalieK · 05-25-2017, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

See what Rob posted above but to add to that: it's YOUR job to figure out how to convert Freeones traffic. Period. Make a special Tour just for them, re-design your site and A-B test different versions, try creating different kinds of galleries, etc etc etc etc....

The only time too much traffic becomes a problem is when it's coming from unscrupulous places, leads to viruses and worms, gets you banned from Programs and Google, etc. Barring any of that, figure out how to monetize that additional traffic. THAT is your job.

Good luck!

interesting post, I like this. The idea of too much traffic being a problem with google, does this happen?

A new tour´s not needed, i´m happy with 2000:1 with regards to a free site to site conversion, my point to this thread was to merely ask if it´s worth those sales when a usual sale ratio is lower than 200:1.

Sly · 05-25-2017, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

is it better to have those galleries shown to raise traffic or would most site owners prefer to have the better stats?

How many cars can you buy with "better stats?"

NatalieK · 05-25-2017, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

How many cars can you buy with "better stats?"

good point, nice one sly.

Maybe just get the traffic in & make the sales...

myleene · 05-25-2017, 03:44 PM

You're getting or possibly getting:
- Free brand recognition
- Free advertising
- Free SEO juice from these links
- 2-3 free sales from people typing your domain name themselves instead of using a link in the galleries or joining after cookie expiration
- New affiliates from these galleries

Now... Beside the ratio that is totally overrated, name a negative you're getting.

Unproductive server usage? You're not paying for it.

Axeman · 05-25-2017, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

good point, nice one sly.

Maybe just get the traffic in & make the sales...

You think?? Of course it is. Obviously your ratios are great, because you focus on people who are already fans of yours. And when another source sends more general traffic, your ratio goes up. So if an affiliate is going to send you traffic, the under 1:200 number is completely pointless.

And if you truly think its more important to have a 1:150 ratio and 4 sales a month, or 1:8000 ratio and 20 sales a month, then well...

BigFurry · 05-25-2017, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Axeman

You think?? Of course it is. Obviously your ratios are great, because you focus on people who are already fans of yours. And when another source sends more general traffic, your ratio goes up. So if an affiliate is going to send you traffic, the under 1:200 number is completely pointless.

And if you truly think its more important to have a 1:150 ratio and 4 sales a month, or 1:8000 ratio and 20 sales a month, then well...

Well said. Your ratios were that low only because you didn't have any mass traffic yet. Now when you're starting to get traffic from outside the bubble, your ratios will be different. It's normal.

ZENRA · 05-25-2017, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

The question i´m asking is, is this kind of traffic worth it or would it be best to keep to direct traffic from affiliates & my social media presenting the site as a paid site & not free porn?

You're complaining about receiving free traffic...?

NatalieK · 05-25-2017, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry

Well said. Your ratios were that low only because you didn't have any mass traffic yet. Now when you're starting to get traffic from outside the bubble, your ratios will be different. It's normal.

sadly I have Axeman on ignore, however, after reading axeman´s quote from your quote & your post, this is not the case.

My affiliates are also on a 1:200 basis, there´s many affiliates here gaining traffic at 1:200 or better from my website, so it´s not just my social media sales.

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Originally Posted by ZENRA

You're complaining about receiving free traffic...?

Hey ya, ok, um, no, I appreciate traffic, but like any one in business, quality traffic is essential.

My question was, does the traffic outway the stats.

This doesn´t only concur with free sites like freeones, my pornhub ratio´s about 1:1000 which I believe is a good sale to traffic ratio, so still wondering, is it best to have affiliates sending 1000 sales a day & receiving 5 sales from each or are these free sites worth while.

Although, tbh, after Sly said traffic´s traffic, like yourself, truthfully, yes it is, so i´m pleased

Axeman · 05-25-2017, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

sadly I have Axeman on ignore, however, after reading axeman´s quote from your quote & your post, this is not the case.

My affiliates are also on a 1:200 basis, there´s many affiliates here gaining traffic at 1:200 or better from my website, so it´s not just my social media sales.

Hey ya, ok, um, no, I appreciate traffic, but like any one in business, quality traffic is essential.

My question was, does the traffic outway the stats.

This doesn´t only concur with free sites like freeones, my pornhub ratio´s about 1:1000 which I believe is a good sale to traffic ratio, so still wondering, is it best to have affiliates sending 1000 sales a day & receiving 5 sales from each or are these free sites worth while.

Although, tbh, after Sly said traffic´s traffic, like yourself, truthfully, yes it is, so i´m pleased

Why is quality traffic essential? Are you paying affiliates per click? If Rev-share, then you need to watch out for fraud sales. But you should welcome every visitor sent your way, great or shitty. Better to have them on your site, and try to figure out ways to get money from there, then just dismiss it as shit traffic and deny it. There is exceptions such as a lot of Chinese traffic. But if its a real visitor, take it with open arms and figure a way to turn them into dollars. Memberships to your site, or otherwise. You have completely the wrong mentality here.

The Porn Nerd · 05-25-2017, 05:54 PM

No one knows about your ratios but YOU so you are really just in conflict with yourself on this one.

And I would not just sit there and be "happy" with a 1:2000 ratio from Freeones (or anyone else). I would work and work to get that ratio down, down, down.

Horatio Caine · 05-25-2017, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

my sales to traffic to 1:287, it´s been under 200 for ages,

Hit from the bong.

ZENRA · 05-25-2017, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

Hey ya, ok, um, no, I appreciate traffic, but like any one in business, quality traffic is essential.

I think everyone can agree to this, but bandwidth is dirt cheap and I can't imagine the hundreds of hits FreeOnes may send to you in a day could result in a meaningful uptick in your hosting costs.

robwod · 05-25-2017, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

You do say that it´s important to have a high paying program, which mine is & with sales ratio of 1:200 as a usual, this also giving a high ratio for affiliates to be paid.

No, that is not even close to what I said. What I said was any smart affiliate is checking and analyzing his/her stats to make informed decisions such as whether their avg income for a program generates a higher ROI using PPS or revshare.

The basic idea is this: An affiliate will send his/her traffic to the program that makes them the greatest ROI, and that often times does not equal the best traffic-to-sales ratio. You might make more sending traffic to a program where your traffic to sales ratio is 1:5,000 versus making fewer sales at a program with a 1:500 ratio. You simply send your traffic to whomever generates your best ROI.

The Porn Nerd · 05-25-2017, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by robwod

No, that is not even close to what I said. What I said was any smart affiliate is checking and analyzing his/her stats to make informed decisions such as whether their avg income for a program generates a higher ROI using PPS or revshare.

The basic idea is this: An affiliate will send his/her traffic to the program that makes them the greatest ROI, and that often times does not equal the best traffic-to-sales ratio. You might make more sending traffic to a program where your traffic to sales ratio is 1:5,000 versus making fewer sales at a program with a 1:500 ratio. You simply send your traffic to whomever generates your best ROI.

Correct. I actively promote some Programs that rebill better than others. I do revshare, not PPS. For those doing strictly PPS it's even simpler.

Whoever pays the most for the traffic basically.

Google Expert · 05-26-2017, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

I´m merely asking if it is worth having higher sales to traffic ratio than having a few extra sales a month from a huge amount of traffic that is raising my sales to traffic ratio.

Gary, forget about internet. Just keep pimping Natalie out.

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NatalieK Natalie K Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Spain Posts: 18,535	Freeones keeps screwing my sales to traffic ratio... ok, i´m kind of happy, as after Freeones adds a gallery to my collection on my pornstar profile in Freeones, they first gain sales & secondly I gain traffic. However, obviously most people on Freeones are looking for freebies, free pics, free clips, & obviously this traffic is mass compared to my other affiliates. This week they added one of my FHGs & ended up putting my sales to traffic to 1:287, it´s been under 200 for ages, so it´s a bit of a climb, however, they gained a sale from 2000 hits, which in turn isn´t bad from their kind of traffic. The question i´m asking is, is this kind of traffic worth it or would it be best to keep to direct traffic from affiliates & my social media presenting the site as a paid site & not free porn? __________________ My official site NatalieK.xxx My free porn & affiliate blog Natalie K affiliate program First time girls Skype: gspotproductions - "Converting your traffic into income since 2005"

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