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Old 07-16-2017, 10:25 AM   #1
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Barcelona Paysite Meetup... Here's What You Missed and My Thoughts On It

Hi Everyone! I'd like to share my recent experience at the Barcelona Paysite Meetup.

I should preface with the fact that I've always been very critical of adult shows. I'm the first one to say adult shows suck. They are nothing more than a glorified meeting ground where the only thing you are guaranteed is a weakened immune system.

For those who don't know.. The PaySite MeetUp is an Intimate One Day Event that is focused on discussing ideas and issues rather than working deals. There were around 20 of us and the official day started at 10am and finished at 7pm. The discussions went on way past that and wrapped up around 2am. In my 20 years in the industry it was the most thought provoking and thought sharing day I've ever experienced.

Here are some points regarding the different elements of the event.

- Venue... The event was hosted at the Vendo offices. A gorgeous space in the middle of Barcelona with a stunning rooftop. Perfect spot with delicious breakfast, lunch and dinner (and wines). Done perfectly from beginning to end.

- Organization and Schedule... The day was jam packed with topics and issues to be discussed. Everything ran very smoothly and on schedule thanks to Mitch. Not only were things on time but the amount of time assigned to each topic and for in-between talk was perfect. In fact it was so efficient when dinner time rolled around my cell phone was slammed with messages as I had not had a chance all day to get to it.

- Attendees... The attendees were all Paysite owners or decision makers. You had everything from small paysites to mid range to huge. This really made things interesting. There was no attitude or ego from anyone. Everybody's thoughts and input were respected and considered.
The highlight of the day....

- Discussions... This is by far the highlight of the day. In one day I came away learning and thinking about more things than every adult show I've ever been to. Here is the most important thing for other paysite owners... The things I learned were not things I can post here. There was a real sense of security in the room that everybody there trusted each other with what was being said and it was for the group only. Some of that involved private company data and company experiences that everyone could learn from but really wouldn't be appropriate to post. I can only equate it to how you feel when you discuss personal issues with a friend. You let your guard down and you share more than you should with them. The same thing happened at the PaySite Meetup. Everyone let their guard down and shared a little more than they usually would and the result was just an absolute wealth of information.

Overall impression I loved it. I flew to Barcelona with the mentality that I'd try to provide some value to the group and expected to get nothing out of it. I feel the opposite happened. I come away with so much. Some great information and data on tubes, AI implementation, project management, prioritizing projects etc. A wealth of information.

To All PaySite Owners.... I highly recommend you change your schedule and make the effort to get to one of the upcoming events. You will thank me afterwards

Thanks to Mitch and the Vendo crew for a great day and event. I'm glad I decided to go.

Paysite Owners Group.... One final thing. One of the conversations that was discussed was forming a PaySite Owners Group. I'm going to discuss this with Mitch and a few other participants this week. If you are a paysite owner and would be interested in this let us know ;)
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Nice write up.

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- Attendees... The attendees were all Paysite owners or decision makers.
I thought you no longer own anything (based on "I want to be back" thread).
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Nice write up.



I thought you no longer own anything (based on "I want to be back" thread).
Shit I wasn't including myself. You are right. That should read paysite owners (or decision makers) and one unemployed guy ;)
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Shit I wasn't including myself. You are right. That should read paysite owners (or decision makers) and one unemployed guy ;)
Or simply current and past (and/or future) paysite owners
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Or simply current and past (and/or future) paysite owners
I know was just kidding around. Mitch made an exception for me based on past experience and the fact I try to help out when I can.
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Shap do you have pay site?
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Shap do you have pay site?
No. As mentioned above Mitch made an exception for me based on past industry contributions. I hope I was able to provide some value to those there.
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so when is your new paysite coming up?
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That is great info Shap. We need to make it out to the next event. Sounds like a great experience was missed by us.
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OK so.....the only info I got from this was: "Great show, great time, can't tell you what we discussed but you should go." Gee THANKS Shap!

Did anyone sell you their paysite? Were you inspired to start your own paysite? Will you be working with any of these paysite owners in the future? No, no, and no. Got it.

I like you Shap but seriously dude wtf is the point of this thread? What is the point of you constantly saying "I want back in!" and yet I see absolutely ZERO from you in terms of actually working on something. All talk, no action.

So either you are a Bro Troll or you don't know what to do with your life these days. Why don't you just, you know, DO something already?
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OK so.....the only info I got from this was: "Great show, great time, can't tell you what we discussed but you should go." Gee THANKS Shap!

Did anyone sell you their paysite? Were you inspired to start your own paysite? Will you be working with any of these paysite owners in the future? No, no, and no. Got it.

I like you Shap but seriously dude wtf is the point of this thread? What is the point of you constantly saying "I want back in!" and yet I see absolutely ZERO from you in terms of actually working on something. All talk, no action.

So either you are a Bro Troll or you don't know what to do with your life these days. Why don't you just, you know, DO something already?
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Hey Shap,

Thanks for coming down and thanks for the props. It was an amazing day! Your experience and spirit added a ton of value. Would be a privilege to have you at the next one.

For those that are interested you can find the schedule and discussion points here: Paysite Meetup.
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Glad you are obsessed with that thread. When I made that post I found a company that I tried to acquire. I worked for over two months on the deal only to have it fall apart at the very end. Very frustrating. When the deal fell apart I moved on.
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Shap - cost of entry into the paysite market is very low. You could be back in if you wanted.

But - you know as well as everyone else the model is broken and will not be fixed.

So you keep mooching around trying to pick up some insight into something that will take off - its all rather unseemly for a gentleman.

Just sayin...
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Shap - cost of entry into the paysite market is very low. You could be back in if you wanted.

But - you know as well as everyone else the model is broken and will not be fixed.

So you keep mooching around trying to pick up some insight into something that will take off - its all rather unseemly for a gentleman.

Just sayin...
I disagree. The cost of entry is low if you want to build a shit product. Shit products don't sell. I've never been interested in building a shit product. In the last 5 years the paysites that have exploded and done well have done so with amazing content and an amazing process of doing business. That doesn't happen overnight.
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I disagree. The cost of entry is low if you want to build a shit product. Shit products don't sell. I've never been interested in building a shit product. In the last 5 years the paysites that have exploded and done well have done so with amazing content and an amazing process of doing business. That doesn't happen overnight.
It does not happen at all if the only thing you do is lurk about the adult boards talking.

So enlighten us what are paysites that have "exploded" in the last 5 years ?

From what I can see they have not been overly expensive. The route to paysite success that I can see has been about pushing the boundaries of what you can get past your biller.

Implied incest, fake doctor/taxi/ etc, Step Mom, Bad Daddy etc. A rather unpleasant race to the bottom.

Morally questionable yes, amazing content no, expensive to produce no.

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Shap doesn't answer me anymore because.....whatever. I give up.

Have fun Shap doing whatever it is you think you are doing. I'm sure it's fun hanging around the shows, drinking with the Bros, sharing insights. You're never going to actually DO anything and we all know it but hey have fun!
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Shap doesn't answer me anymore because.....whatever. I give up.

Have fun Shap doing whatever it is you think you are doing. I'm sure it's fun hanging around the shows, drinking with the Bros, sharing insights. You're never going to actually DO anything and we all know it but hey have fun!
What do you want me to say? You are right. Time to shut up and do something. Not much else to say.
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Glad you are obsessed with that thread. When I made that post I found a company that I tried to acquire. I worked for over two months on the deal only to have it fall apart at the very end. Very frustrating. When the deal fell apart I moved on.
Aaaaw I'm sorry Shap I was just poking fun :P At least you're openly determined with a consistent goal and a proven track record of success BTW, by GFY standards 2 posts about a topic is not obsessed
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Mitch and all the crew at Vendo and great people and you would have made an outstanding addition. Hope to catch up with you soon Shap
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It does not happen at all if the only thing you do is lurk about the adult boards talking.

So enlighten us what are paysites that have "exploded" in the last 5 years ?

From what I can see they have not been overly expensive. The route to paysite success that I can see has been about pushing the boundaries of what you can get past your biller.

Implied incest, fake doctor/taxi/ etc, Step Mom, Bad Daddy etc. A rather unpleasant race to the bottom.

Morally questionable yes, amazing content no, expensive to produce no.

it depend what market you are focused in.

there is still space for paid websites but i assume that there are like 10 million paysites still around what are focusing the english speaking market.
and in the niche countries you will find nearly nothing.

i know that the majority of old fashioned webmaster swill doubt it but the time for people who want to make traffic AND sales have passed.
we are living in the era of media buyers what simply buy traffic and using professional methods to lead it into the right target.

simply the mass of traffic they are dealing with and the professional knowledge give them informations faster and in big numbers (what makes these informations reliable).

the problem with the paysites for me was that one part of the market was 100 times overloaded and other markets haven´t been seen.

what are missed right now are specialists in every part of the business process.
specialists in collecting traffic, specialsts in marketing traffic, specialists creating products for GEO-markets.

the world is MUCH bigger as just the english speaking market. but if you want to sell a membership to someone in india for 39 dollars per month you don´t go along with the mass who can´t afford that.
same with payments. you can not think that the whole world have 20 creditcards. there are still big western countries where a lot of people do not even have one card.

it is quite easy at the end. if you have 1 shoe shop in a crowdy street you will make money - if you have 100 shoe shops in this street no one will make money because there is still the same amount of buyers around what still have the same budget for shoes.
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Yes. My gut would have said there was no way to get value out of 20 people. But how wrong I would be. When 20 people are screened and chosen it creates a situation that can be very valuable.
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It does not happen at all if the only thing you do is lurk about the adult boards talking.

So enlighten us what are paysites that have "exploded" in the last 5 years ?

From what I can see they have not been overly expensive. The route to paysite success that I can see has been about pushing the boundaries of what you can get past your biller.

Implied incest, fake doctor/taxi/ etc, Step Mom, Bad Daddy etc. A rather unpleasant race to the bottom.

Morally questionable yes, amazing content no, expensive to produce no.

Here is my thinking a few things that are necessary to be successful today...

Let's be honest this thinking is all based on nothing but what I think would work.

I would build a site on content that would deliver to a specific niche. That niche would have to be one that is relevant and hot right now and it would have to be catered to exactly as that niche wants. Too many people throw content production into the general content formula and forget about niche. So I would let data drive what type of content I produce.

The other important thing would be to have every angle of the sales/rebill/monetizing process down TIGHT. Not a single dollar can be lost in the process. You can't shoot content, throw up a tour and be happy with that. It's a business and you have to look at each step on your site and make sure it's working.

One of the main reasons I haven't started my own new thing is because I believe I know what goes in to make a successful site today. I know the work that is required to make it successful and if I'm being completely honest in many ways I worry that in the place I am right now I just don't have it in me to do it by myself. I used to work 18 hour days and let nothing stop me to achieving my goals. Now I have kids and I spend the majority of my time with them and I love it. So one reason I post threads like this is because I know working with the right people I can help them achieve greatness. The problem is I don't think I can do it all on my own at the moment and I damn sure don't have 18 hours a day to do it.
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One of the main reasons I haven't started my own new thing is because I believe I know what goes in to make a successful site today. I know the work that is required to make it successful and if I'm being completely honest in many ways I worry that in the place I am right now I just don't have it in me to do it by myself. I used to work 18 hour days and let nothing stop me to achieving my goals. Now I have kids and I spend the majority of my time with them and I love it. So one reason I post threads like this is because I know working with the right people I can help them achieve greatness. The problem is I don't think I can do it all on my own at the moment and I damn sure don't have 18 hours a day to do it.
This is completely understandable Shap. But there would not be a need to work "18 hours a day". Starting a site/company today in 2017 is not what it was like when you started Twistys. Scipts, resources, every aspect of the process is smoother now. It still takes work and consistent dedication but you could definitely work "regular hours" and still achieve something great.

Besides, are you on a time limit? Is this a race? LOL So if it takes you an additional 3-6 months because you're "only" working 6 hours a day (or however long) so what? Don't let your past success and what it took to achieve it limit you now.

Bottom line: If any of these 20 people who were there wanted/needed your involvement I'm sure one of them would've made you an offer. So what you have left is finding that mid-level Program who is maybe 60% of the way there, you know?
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This is really great to hear Shap. I've been to other event Mitch & team put on, and it's been a great experience, so i expected the same thing here, and i was right based on your feedback.

Wish i was in europe and could attend. I was going to suggest that Mitch tack the 1 day event to one of the bigger shows, to get the attendance higher, and get those people coming from US / Asia to possibly come in.

Definitely interested in the paysite owners group, would love to network and share ideas and learn how to improve my businesses.
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Thanks for the feedback and the props Stan.

North America is on our roadmap for next year. Potentially a meet up on day zero of a larger tradeshow could work.

One of the drivers behind the regional meetups is to tap into the local paysite companies who no longer attend tradeshows for whatever their motivations might be.
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Old 07-18-2017, 07:24 PM   #32
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Yes. My gut would have said there was no way to get value out of 20 people. But how wrong I would be. When 20 people are screened and chosen it creates a situation that can be very valuable.
Well these were 20 actual paysite owners, so in any industry 20 actual business owners is not only enough, but even more than enough for one day networking event.
It is not like 20 random attendees out of some big industry show.
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Thanks for the feedback and the props Stan.

North America is on our roadmap for next year. Potentially a meet up on day zero of a larger tradeshow could work.

One of the drivers behind the regional meetups is to tap into the local paysite companies who no longer attend tradeshows for whatever their motivations might be.
We'll send someone to the next one from EU
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I don't think I would be invited.
And I even bought a hemp coat from Mitch's hemp clothing store in Amsterdam, too. LOL

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Sounds like a quality event I would have liked to attend. No, I don't own a paysite, but I host hundreds, have (owned them) in the past and I'm dialed into our industry counseling paysite owners constantly. Props to Mitch!

Those that think you can't get value out of a 20 person 1 day event just don't know what they're missing. I do a 4 hour meeting once a month with 7 other business owners and it's tremendously valuable when formatted properly (see eonetwork.org).

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Yes. My gut would have said there was no way to get value out of 20 people. But how wrong I would be. When 20 people are screened and chosen it creates a situation that can be very valuable.
So good we can expect you back in the industry very soon?
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Thanks for the feedback and the props Stan.

North America is on our roadmap for next year. Potentially a meet up on day zero of a larger tradeshow could work.

One of the drivers behind the regional meetups is to tap into the local paysite companies who no longer attend tradeshows for whatever their motivations might be.
I think the concept is a great one. Small enough numbers to be manageable and still gets lots of issues discussed and ideas raised. Mix in a few local or fresh blood that could bring up things not thought of by the core group in these events, and things could really turn out great. I'd really like to hit up one of these events if we ever get the invite to attend.
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So good we can expect you back in the industry very soon?
Yeah - right after you get back to work.

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Here is my thinking a few things that are necessary to be successful today...

Let's be honest this thinking is all based on nothing but what I think would work.

I would build a site on content that would deliver to a specific niche. That niche would have to be one that is relevant and hot right now and it would have to be catered to exactly as that niche wants. Too many people throw content production into the general content formula and forget about niche. So I would let data drive what type of content I produce.
The niche picks you rather than you pick the niche. It's no longer 2000 and there's something for everyone already online. So unless you really know the niche better than your customers, forget about it.

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The other important thing would be to have every angle of the sales/rebill/monetizing process down TIGHT. Not a single dollar can be lost in the process. You can't shoot content, throw up a tour and be happy with that. It's a business and you have to look at each step on your site and make sure it's working.
Something everyone is already doing.

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One of the main reasons I haven't started my own new thing is because I believe I know what goes in to make a successful site today. I know the work that is required to make it successful and if I'm being completely honest in many ways I worry that in the place I am right now I just don't have it in me to do it by myself. I used to work 18 hour days and let nothing stop me to achieving my goals. Now I have kids and I spend the majority of my time with them and I love it. So one reason I post threads like this is because I know working with the right people I can help them achieve greatness. The problem is I don't think I can do it all on my own at the moment and I damn sure don't have 18 hours a day to do it.
you work from home when the kids are at school, playing with their mate or asleep.

IMO. Stop thinking of starting a paysite or tube from scratch, or hooking up with someone already in the game isn't going to work. Instead, analyse your skills what you bring to the table, are you a programmer, photographer, webmaster, marketing, etc. Then use those skills to drive you forward, share those skills in a blog and make it the go to place for people in the industry to read. Have a lot more to offer than relying on Google for traffic.
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This is really great to hear Shap. I've been to other event Mitch & team put on, and it's been a great experience, so i expected the same thing here, and i was right based on your feedback.

Wish i was in europe and could attend. I was going to suggest that Mitch tack the 1 day event to one of the bigger shows, to get the attendance higher, and get those people coming from US / Asia to possibly come in.

Definitely interested in the paysite owners group, would love to network and share ideas and learn how to improve my businesses.
Great idea it could be for Europe and America.
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I think the concept is a great one. Small enough numbers to be manageable and still gets lots of issues discussed and ideas raised. Mix in a few local or fresh blood that could bring up things not thought of by the core group in these events, and things could really turn out great. I'd really like to hit up one of these events if we ever get the invite to attend.
You nailed it! Group dynamics at their best. Of course you are invited to the next one. Would love to have Karups add their experience to the group. Since these are local maybe you can attend one closer to your location. That is the idea behind the regional concept. Give everyone in the paysite industry access at some point and time.
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Sounds like a quality event I would have liked to attend. No, I don't own a paysite, but I host hundreds, have (owned them) in the past and I'm dialed into our industry counseling paysite owners constantly. Props to Mitch!

Those that think you can't get value out of a 20 person 1 day event just don't know what they're missing. I do a 4 hour meeting once a month with 7 other business owners and it's tremendously valuable when formatted properly (see eonetwork.org).

Sincerely,

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Thanks Brad. Did not know you were in EO. Well done sir. You know exactly the power of what group work can achieve with the right mix of experienced individuals in the right environment. It can be very powerful and supportive.
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I don't think I would be invited.
And I even bought a hemp coat from Mitch's hemp clothing store in Amsterdam, too. LOL

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Heh heh those secret pockets are PACKED with goodies Sir!

Let me know when the next paysite meetup is going on? I do run 92 of them.
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OK so.....the only info I got from this was: "Great show, great time, can't tell you what we discussed but you should go." Gee THANKS Shap!

Did anyone sell you their paysite? Were you inspired to start your own paysite? Will you be working with any of these paysite owners in the future? No, no, and no. Got it.

I like you Shap but seriously dude wtf is the point of this thread? What is the point of you constantly saying "I want back in!" and yet I see absolutely ZERO from you in terms of actually working on something. All talk, no action.

So either you are a Bro Troll or you don't know what to do with your life these days. Why don't you just, you know, DO something already?
If Shap's trolling, he's definitely doing it in a positive way. He may not have any actual connections via currently owning any adult properties, but I've always found his posts helpful and even inspirational. Yours too, actually. It's nice to see people talking actual adult industry on these forums.
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You nailed it! Group dynamics at their best. Of course you are invited to the next one. Would love to have Karups add their experience to the group. Since these are local maybe you can attend one closer to your location. That is the idea behind the regional concept. Give everyone in the paysite industry access at some point and time.
That sounds great. Local works but we are also willing to travel overseas to attend a meaningful event like this. Look forward to hearing the plans for future events. Feel free to add us to your email list if you have one for the events. [email protected]
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Shap, your thread, the read, the account of the show sounds awesome & makes me certainly want to be present at the next show, thank you! xx
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If Shap's trolling, he's definitely doing it in a positive way. He may not have any actual connections via currently owning any adult properties, but I've always found his posts helpful and even inspirational. Yours too, actually. It's nice to see people talking actual adult industry on these forums.
this! I really want to be at the next paysite owners show. It sounds fun, respectful, creative, a nice time
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this! I really want to be at the next paysite owners show. It sounds fun, respectful, creative, a nice time
You just missed us in Barcelona. See you at the next one! You can track for updates here Paysite Meetup
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Heh heh those secret pockets are PACKED with goodies Sir!

Let me know when the next paysite meetup is going on? I do run 92 of them.
Will do! 92 and counting ;)
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