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Donald Trump's totally unpresidential fight over the death of an American soldier - CNNPolitics

Question for Red-Hat service people: If this turns out to be True, will you finally reconsider your never-ending support for him?

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BlackCrayon

he's a heartless bastard and a psycho narcissist. going on about how amazing the US nuclear weapons are..he is a danger to the world.

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beerptrol

he's a social path, among many other things, that doesn't have empathy for others. His kids probably got their love and emotional needs filled by the nanny(s) and other staff

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OneHungLo

Foreigner obsessed with American politics^^^

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2MuchMark

More like : Canadian worried about my very good next-door neighbours, like you.

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Bladewire

Come up with something original Trump cocksucker. Copying my lines just makes you look like an unimaginative hack lacking creativity

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Rochard

He has zero empathy for anyone, and just doesn't care. At all.

Now trump claims he has proof he didn't say that. Well, let's see the proof. I am positive the White House records such phone calls; They can produce a copy.

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Helix

There are always 2 sides to a story.

Trump denies insensitive remark to military widow | Daily Mail Online

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Rochard

He says he has proof. Until he gives us that proof, he's full of bullshit. He always is. He never backs anything up, ever.

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OneHungLo

Dude.... i'm helping you call all all these foreigners that are obsessed with our politics..i'm just trying to help

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directfiesta

Seems like 3 sides :

But we know which side lies ... as usual .

crockett

The widow has stepped forward and said Trump disrespected her, her husband and her family. Trump couldn't even remember the guy's name while he was calling..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2b8d83e0a092


Trump = a piece of shit. Not just for what he said but because he made it all about himself once again while trying to politicalize it to pander to his base..

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Barry-xlovecam

How does Trump have proof? Recording calls without notifying the other person is an unlawful wiretap unless you have a court warrant.

Unless the White House has some blanket court warrant authority ...

Please clarify (the bullshit) now ...

I wonder if the soldier that died was white if this would have (allegedly) happened?

Bladewire

I've already told you that Mark is in American patriot.

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Bladewire

Trump supporters love that Trump disrespected the black dead soldiers widow. He's playing to his base

You can see I'm right by none of the GFY redhat nics posting in this thread saying Trump went over the line.

Lichen

So where is Trump wrong?

He did know what he signed up for. ARMY is a job where you have to shoot other people and sometimes die.

I don't see servicemen complaining about high salaries and all the benefits they receive.

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Bladewire

Let's hope someone close to you dies soon and someone says they knew what they signed up for as you're on your way to view the casket, since you don't have a problem with it

Rochard

If they announce it before they start recording it's allowed. I would imagine the White House records all calls.

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BlackCrayon

a dumb and insensitive thing to say. it shows trump as a social retard. presidents are supposed to know how to talk to people. something that fails trump.

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videosc

I am no fan of Trump but I kind of agree a little with this opinion. Was it the best thing to say? No. But is it really disrespectful? I don't know. Context is important, as was the inflection. Maybe the tone of his voice made it sound like he was somehow complimenting the fact that this guy volunteered for a job that he knew would put his life in danger?

God, I can't believe I'm actually defending Trump. Ugh.

On the other hand, the fact that he only phoned the widow after being called out about it by a reporter, now THAT is indefensible!

just a punk

And he is absolutely right! I my country all soldiers are amateur ones. Every man here must serve in army and he is not being paid for that. Only officers and special forces get paid (you must deserve literally with your blood to be one of them). When a draft soldier dies it's a tragedy because he didn't choose his fate. When a paid mercenary dies - it's his decision. He was paid for playing this game - feel nothing for these guys. All the US soldiers are professionals - live by the sword, die by the sword. Trump is super correct in this case.

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Bladewire

Not knowing Sgt La David Johnson?s name (the dead soldier) as you're talking to his widow and saying "he knew what he signed up for". Is cruel, and you defend it. So if it happens to you, you won't be offended or hurt, you'll be understanding

Rochard

Holy shit - can you not see how rude that is?

When someone dies of cancer you don't walk up to his wife and say "Well, he smoked for twenty years so he deserved it". You say something nice about the person, and "I am sorry for your loss".

There is nothing more disgusting to me than someone who puts a fucking flag lapel on their suit and suddenly they support the troops and they are patriotic. Drumpf doesn't care about the troops - never has, never did, never will. Why wasn't trump at the airport when the bodies came home?

Obama did it.



This is what a leader does.

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just a punk

Don't be such a pussy. When someone dies of cancer because he was a smoker, you tells it's straight: he was a smoker and it was his decision to kill himself (he knew how he will end up, isn't it?) I can't say about America - you are so hypocritical mofos, but in my country people are used to say that they think. So if some mercenary who was paid for killing other people has got a bullet into his face, he has deserved it. He was not a teacher or an engineer. He was a professional killer who was killed at his job. Do you understand that he was paid for it?

Once again: when a draft soldier dies, it's a tragedy. When a paid mercenary dies - nobody cares. He knew what he signed up for.

You are speaking as a US veteran and a former marine. In Russia every man of 18-27 year old is a marine, paratrooper or anything else. Only the people like those who was involved into wars like WWII can be called veterans. Everyone else is just a man. I'm an LT and I'm just a man. I'm not a veteran and I have no preferences here.

These are Russian marines (the regular guys from a street - they are no pros - today there are there, tomorrow they are drinking beer in a pub with you):



These are paratroopers - also amateur kids of course. Nobody is being paid for that, they just have to do it because they are 18+. Army is not a work, it's a duty in Russia.



Both are cannon fodder of Russian army. They are not professionals. They are draft soldiers.

Those are the different thing. They are paid killers (according to BBC Russia has about 70 thousands of those in instant redness to be dropped at the NATO soil to insure nobody has survived the nuclear strike):







Feel the difference between amateurs and professionals... An amateur soldier won't kill a cat or a baby (as we say "солдат ребенка не обидит"), but those will...

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bronco67

and on one side is a pathological liar who probably said what is reported, because that sounds just like something he would say.

Is that what you mean by saying there's two sides to every story?

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bronco67

Regarding the people who don't understand why these remarks are insensitive....there's no use trying to explain tact, decency and respect to them. It would be like trying to explain the rules of Texas Hold'em to a Beagle. If it was possible to make them understand, they wouldn't need to be told in the first place because they'd be on the right side of the argument. These are people who are never on the right side of any argument because they're assholes....and an asshole doesn't understand why he's an asshole. He just is.

There's not going to be some epiphany that transforms him from an ignorant prick into a person who knows the difference between right and wrong when it comes to social behavior. These are the type of people who put this moron in the White House.

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Rochard

Everything he did about this, from to finish, was disrespectful.

Instead of making a phone call and then being there when the bodies landed in the United States, he did... NOTHING. He was called out on it, turned it into a political football, and only then did he make the phone call - and he fucked that up too. Everything he did here was wrong and disrespectful at every turn.

This is politics 101. When something like this happens you call the family, release a statement, greet the bodies when they arrive at Dover, and then invite the family / spouse to the White House. Obama was there when the bodies came back from Benghazi. On the other hand, Trump did NOTHING, tried to correct it after the fact, and then fucked that up.

He doesn't care about the military. He was draft dodger.

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BlackCrayon

here in north america anyone with an ounce of decency/respect and common sense keeps their mouth shut about such things. there is no point in making someone else feel worse about the situation no matter if its the truth. it may be normal in your country but people who do that here are known as assholes.

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TheDynasty

fucking terrible thing to say , why hasn't anyone took him out yet?

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2MuchMark

Dude come on stop calling me a foreigner. Call me Mark. I'm actually fun to hang out with! Let's talk.

If its true that Trump said this - what do you think about it? Do you think it was right?

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2MuchMark

LOL! No I'm not. I'm a hippie wierdo freak. The only thing missing from me is my long hair and peace pin. (Though I did pickup a piece of paper with RESIST on it last night that I'll wear for a while).

You wouldn't get upset if Trump said that to you about a member of your family?




How would Obama have said, and how would he have said it? Trump already lied and said Obama never reached out to families of fallen service people.

Obama was a decent guy. Even Red-hats should at least acknowledge this.

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just a punk

So the truth in forbidden in your country?

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BlackCrayon

can you tell me, what good this "truth" does to say to someone who is hurting and lost someone?

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Bladewire

You're an honorary American patriot add that's that

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just a punk

Yes, I can. I'm used to say the truth because I was thought so.

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mineistaken

Really? Lack of empathy (if this is even truth) should be THAT thing that makes us reconsider support?

Barry-xlovecam

Does Trump tell fallen police officers' wifes: you should be proud your husbund died in the line of duty?

If it is true, the remark is not only callous, it also beings shame upon the office of the Presidency. I really hope this is fake news because it is utterly disgusting.

mineistaken

Of course it is. PC agenda states that you must falsify truth in order not to "offend" someone.

Although in this case I, obviously agree, that empathy is required.
But in general PC culture advocates falsifying things.

BlackCrayon

That doesn't tell me what good it does to say this. its easy to blurt out hurtful things that may be true but it takes a bigger person to keep it to themselves.

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just a punk

The truth can non hurt. This is how I was taught. You, Western people don't unrestrained it. You always pretend and act like whores, but with a big difference... Whores do it because they were paid for it. They have to pretend to give you pleasure, but you are doing it for free. You are pretending everywhere and for every what. Trump has said it straight: the paid killer was killed by another killer. He was a bad killer (was not able to do his job) and he has died because of that.

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just a punk

There is a simple thing. Always tell the truth and you will have nothing to regret about.

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Bladewire

GFY Trump redhats see nothing wrong with insulting a widow on her way to see her dead soldier husbands casket. Just when you think they can't stoop any lower

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Bladewire

You hate Americans but want them to buy your software. Guaranteed you'll deny the truth to make a buck

beerptrol

Chump is a proven liar who likes to claim he has proof, but provides none!

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just a punk

I don't hate Americans. I love them just like Brazilians, Mexicans or Somalians. But I really don't want poor and stupid people to buy my software. It's a professional product, which is intended for those who are able to pay for it and understand how it works.

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beerptrol

They hate America and it's freedoms

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GAMEFINEST

Trump is and will fuck us up

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notinmybackyard

I have to imagine that if the job description includes such things as guns, explosives, rocket launchers and the possibility of having those things aimed at you that anyone agreeing to take the job understands that there's a good chance they're going to get killed.

My advice to anyone that doesn't like the idea of having someone try to kill them on a daily basis that they should pursue a career as a librarian.

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