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Old 02-22-2018, 05:25 AM   #201
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I enjoyed reading this thread and thommy posted a lot of interesting stuff so Paul could you please make a new thread to attack him (unless you're willing to stop ofc ) and not derail this one
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:39 AM   #202
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I enjoyed reading this thread and thommy posted a lot of interesting stuff so Paul could you please make a new thread to attack him (unless you're willing to stop ofc ) and not derail this one
the problem is that he does not know what the interesting stuff is. thatīs chinese for him (oh sorry i forgot that paul thinks that there is no chinese language existing as he told us in another thread).

so you are right - we should go on with the important things and forget about paulīs little autistic world.
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by the way - i really took that issue paul have seriously (even when it is not caused from me or a page in our network - what he does not realize) because it is always good to know what kind of problems can appear on users desktop and know all kind of dumbness and strange system combinations that are is existing.

so i wrote this problem to voluum (because paulīs security blocked THEM)
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Regarding Eset (or other antivirus software) and missing favicons on campaignURLs - it shouldn't have any influence on the website's reputation/score as we're only doing the redirect as quickly as possible. Any additional requests (such as downloading favicon) would slow that time down significantly. As far as I understand it correctly from your screenshot, the browser's default request for the favicon is also checked by antivirus software and then blocked because whole page's reputation can be low (the biggest impact is always the whole domain's and destination's reputation, as well as the number of abuse reports visitors sent to their antivirus/similar tool).
This is a false positive alarm you should proceed according tohathe specific software's recommendations
or send a bug report to the programmers of the software


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Old 02-22-2018, 09:08 AM   #204
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So what or which type op popup will NOT be a problem?
Can we still use popUNDERS ?
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completely wrong !
I do not poo-poo them but they are just a small part of the revenue made today and also just a very little part of what people need.
and it was always like that - not since now.

when pornsites started we really did not have other choices as to sell porn with them.
so we got exactly this part of a humans budget (what was and still is 0,28% of his total budget).

I would REALLY appreciate to see at least a few more membership sites in this game but unfortunately they are stuck in yesterday.



i have a few good friend what are producers since long long time.
they are still producing for the DVD and pay TV market but they are also selling their older productions or out cut szenes to tubes.

All of them are really happy to have this customers because they are buying cheap but A LOT. and as no one wants the material exclusive there are MANY buyers for this content.

I personally know not one tube site owner what would even talk about less than 2000 or 3000 szenes per buy.



THIS is happening !
why do you think all those amateur models giving free content to tubes ?
WHY do you think most of the paysites give tons of free content to tubes and some of them are even willing TO PAY when they show up on tubes ?

I do not say that paysites donīt have the right to exist and i do not say that there is no market anymore. I just say that this market is only a very small fraction of the income
what is made WITH porn and not with SELLING porn.



because it is MUCH cheaper as it was before.
I was running ONE paysite for more than 12 years.
in the good times we made like 200 k revenue per month with this site but the
costs, including affiliate comissions, servers, administration, technique and content
have been around 180 k.

if i would so the same today the costs would be maybe at 100 k.

so yes it is possible to even own a network of paysites where each one have 50 paying customers and there would be still some money to make - even when it is not much.



donīt underestimate that. it is not the DVD market - this was never a really big thing for the producers. they make the most money with rights. pay TV and porn cinema.
do you know how many porn cinemas exist only in India?
to sell rights for porn cinema to india is like a win in the lottery - even when the single licence is less than 1 dollar per movie and cinema but there are like 50 thousand of them only in india.



but this is exactly what i do - i go along with the desires of the consumer.
he can decide where he clicks and what product he is interested in.

and the market itself will regulate it because the one who can make the BEST result with the traffic is the one who can pay the BEST price.

why should i sell traffic for 0,1 cent per click JUST BECAUSE the buyer is unable to make more out of it when I have a buyer who can pay 50 times more because he IS profitable.

there is no argument against success - the market will always move to the more profitable solution - it was never different in the history of the world.

war movies are also not produced to sell tanks and IF THAT would be the reason to produce them they would not be produced.

science fiction movies are not produced for the SF chanel because the SF chanel would not be able to keep Spielberg alive.

just open your TV and watch whatever movie there and look how many % of the advertisement there have anything to do with the movie.

it is NOT that i hate paysites - but i am a realist. i do not spend my time with trying to change facts. I go along with them and make money.
I hear you man, I really do. I understand the profits these days are in pops, cross-sells, cams, dating, etc. My point tho is that paysites are still valueable AND new ones open all the time so there must be a reason for it, right? Paysites are where the majority of content production happens these days. Yes DVDs are still around but most is being shot for paysites.

You can then monetize that content in the way you described. Still, it's not as profitable as cams, dating, etc, and the cost of production is the #1 reason.

Now the reason I do not do the ad network thing (or cams, dating, etc) is because it's not creative or interesting to me. It's more mathematical and making click projections etc. Also I see a LOT of ads being nothing more than circle jerk click bait kind of things. Endless circle jerk clicking until it stops somewhere. LOL As a surfer I would hate those ads.

Anyway, bottom line is if you run a profitable business in Adult in 2018 (as both Thommy and I do, in our own unique ways) then God bless us. LOL
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the problem is that he does not know what the interesting stuff is. thatīs chinese for him (oh sorry i forgot that paul thinks that there is no chinese language existing as he told us in another thread).
I remember that thread

He called you an idiot for thinking there was a Chinese language





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I hear you man, I really do. I understand the profits these days are in pops, cross-sells, cams, dating, etc. My point tho is that paysites are still valueable AND new ones open all the time so there must be a reason for it, right? Paysites are where the majority of content production happens these days. Yes DVDs are still around but most is being shot for paysites.

You can then monetize that content in the way you described. Still, it's not as profitable as cams, dating, etc, and the cost of production is the #1 reason.
but even here there is a big change since YEARS.
how many amateurs you think have mydirtyhobby alone? 30.000 ?

ll of them are producing content and sell it FIRST where they get the most money.
this is legit and it was legit all the time.

that paulīs idea is wrong you can see on the fact that porn was MUCH MORE interesting when there have not been videos around.
people like thehun sold thousands of memberships each month to picture sites what did not have 1% of the quantity of the hun.

and if you remember that time same as i do - it was not possible to send crap to him.
only the great material had a chance to be listet.

but as i said: THAT was another time with fewer users but MUCH richer and fewer paysites and fewer affiliates.

the question is not how big the cake is - the question is how many mice want to eat it.

i am pretty sure that there still IS a possibility to sell memberships but i did not see a lot of membership sites what even KNOW what a postback is.

but the affilietes of today are mediabuyers not webmasters.
a webmaster is limited on the traffic he have - a media buyer is only limited on his budget.

and if you give them to choose between a possible livetime value of 150 dollar what they can MAYBE get within a few years and a 5 dollar DOI they will chose the DOI because of maths.

the maths is that you can get easier and faster reliable data as when you wait 4 or 5 years to see what you REALLY made at the end.

and also the webmasters what are selling traffic want to make the MOST from it.
and the most they can make with people who are working professional.
it is not hard to understand that a buyer who converts 1:50 on a product can pay more as one who know how to convert this product 1:100.

and as there are more and more professionals what are fighting for the traffic a webmaster who sells it can only win.

biz is not a social thing - it is profit only what makes the rules.

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Now the reason I do not do the ad network thing (or cams, dating, etc) is because it's not creative or interesting to me. It's more mathematical and making click projections etc. Also I see a LOT of ads being nothing more than circle jerk click bait kind of things. Endless circle jerk clicking until it stops somewhere. LOL As a surfer I would hate those ads.
this is a question of the philosophy of a network.
most of then are using RTB and CPM and it is hard to make profit with this.

also the new google rules have changed here a lot (what i really appreciate for my part) because CPM is nothing else as to use clickbait banners and because the most advertisers are buying CPM it is not so easy to tell them change the banners.

i mean i never accepted this overdriven stressy stuff anyway and an advertiser will also not make money with this crap on an CPC network because clicks are too expensive to make them to accident clicks.

I think we will see some nice changes in this year in the direction of more quality advertising and more sales from it. I can see it already.

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well but you will never run a successful business if you do not know what happens around you and have to view into tomorrow.
unfortunately there was a time when it was too easy - we still suffer on that because with just professional competitors the whole market would be monetized already MUCH better as it was in the past.

I am looking forward to the future and i hope you can also make money in it. I love seeing people make money because if it is done without ripping someone off it helps us all.
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So what or which type op popup will NOT be a problem?
Can we still use popUNDERS ?
popUNDERS in the meaning of the word are not possible with chrome. the pops will open in a tab only.

also they should not be executed by clicks on layers and empty spaces.

as I said before: I DOUBT that this is really what google wants but at the moment the sites with such a solution have been approved.

HOW LONG that will work - I REALLY DON`T KNOW !!!
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but even here there is a big change since YEARS.
how many amateurs you think have mydirtyhobby alone? 30.000 ?

ll of them are producing content and sell it FIRST where they get the most money.
this is legit and it was legit all the time.

that paulīs idea is wrong you can see on the fact that porn was MUCH MORE interesting when there have not been videos around.
people like thehun sold thousands of memberships each month to picture sites what did not have 1% of the quantity of the hun.

and if you remember that time same as i do - it was not possible to send crap to him.
only the great material had a chance to be listet.

but as i said: THAT was another time with fewer users but MUCH richer and fewer paysites and fewer affiliates.

the question is not how big the cake is - the question is how many mice want to eat it.

i am pretty sure that there still IS a possibility to sell memberships but i did not see a lot of membership sites what even KNOW what a postback is.

but the affilietes of today are mediabuyers not webmasters.
a webmaster is limited on the traffic he have - a media buyer is only limited on his budget.

and if you give them to choose between a possible livetime value of 150 dollar what they can MAYBE get within a few years and a 5 dollar DOI they will chose the DOI because of maths.

the maths is that you can get easier and faster reliable data as when you wait 4 or 5 years to see what you REALLY made at the end.

and also the webmasters what are selling traffic want to make the MOST from it.
and the most they can make with people who are working professional.
it is not hard to understand that a buyer who converts 1:50 on a product can pay more as one who know how to convert this product 1:100.

and as there are more and more professionals what are fighting for the traffic a webmaster who sells it can only win.

biz is not a social thing - it is profit only what makes the rules.



this is a question of the philosophy of a network.
most of then are using RTB and CPM and it is hard to make profit with this.

also the new google rules have changed here a lot (what i really appreciate for my part) because CPM is nothing else as to use clickbait banners and because the most advertisers are buying CPM it is not so easy to tell them change the banners.

i mean i never accepted this overdriven stressy stuff anyway and an advertiser will also not make money with this crap on an CPC network because clicks are too expensive to make them to accident clicks.

I think we will see some nice changes in this year in the direction of more quality advertising and more sales from it. I can see it already.



well but you will never run a successful business if you do not know what happens around you and have to view into tomorrow.
unfortunately there was a time when it was too easy - we still suffer on that because with just professional competitors the whole market would be monetized already MUCH better as it was in the past.

I am looking forward to the future and i hope you can also make money in it. I love seeing people make money because if it is done without ripping someone off it helps us all.
Well I agree with most of what you said but I think your views on paysites TODAY are outdated. Perhaps you are applying your experience back then to how it is now.

Of course "big" paysites that want to invest 100K+ in new content will have a tougher time recouping that investment and it may well take years before they do. Piracy is a huge issue if you are sinking that kind of money into content production.

However, there are many ways to skin a cat (and be profitable NOW and in the future). Expectations must be reset, as with everything else. And the scale has to be reduced (from 50+ employees down to a handful). But with automating being much better today it is possible, through scripting and outsourcing, to be very profitable. You just have to adapt (or die).

I am like a Hollywood Agent. I make a % off every Membership I sell. Anywhere from 25% - 100%. So that's why I have so many "clients" (websites) and keep adding new ones. Remember I started this madness in 2009 - when paysites were DYING. So I had to be creative, especially because I had only $750 to start (a loan from a friend!).

The biggest challenge for your clients will be an ever-decreasing ROI, CTR, etc. That is inevitable.
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Well I agree with most of what you said but I think your views on paysites TODAY are outdated. Perhaps you are applying your experience back then to how it is now.

Of course "big" paysites that want to invest 100K+ in new content will have a tougher time recouping that investment and it may well take years before they do. Piracy is a huge issue if you are sinking that kind of money into content production.

However, there are many ways to skin a cat (and be profitable NOW and in the future). Expectations must be reset, as with everything else. And the scale has to be reduced (from 50+ employees down to a handful). But with automating being much better today it is possible, through scripting and outsourcing, to be very profitable. You just have to adapt (or die).

I am like a Hollywood Agent. I make a % off every Membership I sell. Anywhere from 25% - 100%. So that's why I have so many "clients" (websites) and keep adding new ones. Remember I started this madness in 2009 - when paysites were DYING. So I had to be creative, especially because I had only $750 to start (a loan from a friend!).

The biggest challenge for your clients will be an ever-decreasing ROI, CTR, etc. That is inevitable.
Really, only 750$? Well, i need to invest into you then
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Well I agree with most of what you said but I think your views on paysites TODAY are outdated. Perhaps you are applying your experience back then to how it is now.

Of course "big" paysites that want to invest 100K+ in new content will have a tougher time recouping that investment and it may well take years before they do. Piracy is a huge issue if you are sinking that kind of money into content production.

However, there are many ways to skin a cat (and be profitable NOW and in the future). Expectations must be reset, as with everything else. And the scale has to be reduced (from 50+ employees down to a handful). But with automating being much better today it is possible, through scripting and outsourcing, to be very profitable. You just have to adapt (or die).

I am like a Hollywood Agent. I make a % off every Membership I sell. Anywhere from 25% - 100%. So that's why I have so many "clients" (websites) and keep adding new ones. Remember I started this madness in 2009 - when paysites were DYING. So I had to be creative, especially because I had only $750 to start (a loan from a friend!).

The biggest challenge for your clients will be an ever-decreasing ROI, CTR, etc. That is inevitable.
well i had a big membership paysite for more than 12 years and I would not want to do it anymore - even when it made me some good money over the years.

and IF I would do it - I would do it very different from the old days especially in marketing and affiliate stuff.

there are actually a few new membersites on the market what have a good chance to become successful but they are really up to date in marketing stuff and they have the know-how to work with media buyers. yes there are some who run both ways by running CPA or CPL offers for the fast money but they also know that a good revshare product brings more on the very long view. they are mostly just scared because the never know if the company will still exist when this time comes to make the greens.

i still wait for the membership program what is smart enough to see that a porn user is not only good for porn and get money out of users what is normally not seen in our biz.
if someone does that really good he will be maybe even able to give the membership for free because he can afford it from that income.
and what do we have than ? a tube !!!

actually all the big money is there where the content is free because this is the chance to get a lot of users. no matter if we talk about google, facebook, twitter, instagram or the tubes - they have the masses. they do not need to build a niche what will be gone after a while. they just push the button and promote the next hype within a second.
and this is why it is such a huge money machine.
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Really, only 750$? Well, i need to invest into you then
Yes crazy isn't it? I was living in my mom's basement with no prospects (for real). LOL My friend lent me $750 to open a CCBill account (now it costs 1K). Now, nine years later and millions in revenue.....wow. Anything is possible if you plan it out right and never stop.

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well i had a big membership paysite for more than 12 years and I would not want to do it anymore - even when it made me some good money over the years.

and IF I would do it - I would do it very different from the old days especially in marketing and affiliate stuff.

there are actually a few new membersites on the market what have a good chance to become successful but they are really up to date in marketing stuff and they have the know-how to work with media buyers. yes there are some who run both ways by running CPA or CPL offers for the fast money but they also know that a good revshare product brings more on the very long view. they are mostly just scared because the never know if the company will still exist when this time comes to make the greens.

i still wait for the membership program what is smart enough to see that a porn user is not only good for porn and get money out of users what is normally not seen in our biz.
if someone does that really good he will be maybe even able to give the membership for free because he can afford it from that income.
and what do we have than ? a tube !!!

actually all the big money is there where the content is free because this is the chance to get a lot of users. no matter if we talk about google, facebook, twitter, instagram or the tubes - they have the masses. they do not need to build a niche what will be gone after a while. they just push the button and promote the next hype within a second.
and this is why it is such a huge money machine.
I hear you man. marketing a paysite today is very different than 10-15 years ago. Now it takes a real strategy and consistent effort. I have found the major difference these days is any promo tools you send out to affiliates (pics, videos, etc) only has a short term effect. meaning, in the old days you would submit a video or gallery and the "juice" (traffic) would last days or even a couple weeks. Now? A day or two TOPS. So you have to keep pumping and pumping....it can be done but it's a challenge.

Yes the money is with sites that bring in millions of users daily. I read once that if you can generate a million uniques a day you can monetize that traffic in so many ways it's almost easy. Of course getting those millions of hits....LOL

I would absolutely do media buys for some of my best-converting paysites but I found it's very, very difficult to be profitable. So I do it the old fashioned way, through sweat and hard work.
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I hear you man. marketing a paysite today is very different than 10-15 years ago. Now it takes a real strategy and consistent effort. I have found the major difference these days is any promo tools you send out to affiliates (pics, videos, etc) only has a short term effect. meaning, in the old days you would submit a video or gallery and the "juice" (traffic) would last days or even a couple weeks. Now? A day or two TOPS. So you have to keep pumping and pumping....it can be done but it's a challenge.
true !
but if you look at the market of today you would see that this is mostly done by the mediabuyers.

they do not want to have the same banners and landingpages as their competitor. they buy and try it on their own risk and if itīs not working the change ist.

do you think you are able to produce more promo material as, letīs say, 100 media buying agencies with own design departements ?

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this is exactly where the networks come into the game.
facebook and google will not need them but the webmaster with 5000 users a day will.
the networks are collecting all that traffic and makes it possible for an advertiser to buy the small power of thousands of small sites with the same efford as a campaign on facebook. they are going to the exhibitions and they have not only one customer for traffic they have hundrets - and the one who can pay most will get the most traffic. show me how to do that on a site with 5000 daily users.

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I would absolutely do media buys for some of my best-converting paysites but I found it's very, very difficult to be profitable. So I do it the old fashioned way, through sweat and hard work.
it is really not THAT hard but you can not decide with your stomach alone. there are huge techniques out there and massive knowledge about campaign strategies.
you canīt learn this within a few months or even a few years. but this is where actually the heartbeat is.
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Well I agree with most of what you said but I think your views on paysites TODAY are outdated. Perhaps you are applying your experience back then to how it is now.

Of course "big" paysites that want to invest 100K+ in new content will have a tougher time recouping that investment and it may well take years before they do. Piracy is a huge issue if you are sinking that kind of money into content production.

However, there are many ways to skin a cat (and be profitable NOW and in the future). Expectations must be reset, as with everything else. And the scale has to be reduced (from 50+ employees down to a handful). But with automating being much better today it is possible, through scripting and outsourcing, to be very profitable. You just have to adapt (or die).

I am like a Hollywood Agent. I make a % off every Membership I sell. Anywhere from 25% - 100%. So that's why I have so many "clients" (websites) and keep adding new ones. Remember I started this madness in 2009 - when paysites were DYING. So I had to be creative, especially because I had only $750 to start (a loan from a friend!).

The biggest challenge for your clients will be an ever-decreasing ROI, CTR, etc. That is inevitable.
How many of todays Tube, free or pirate sites could make a living with B/W at $2 a GB?

Porn companies made a very good living with porn at $40 for 5 scenes. In restricted markets. So the delusion that everything has to be free is wrong. The only thing supporting free porn is B/W at such a stupidly low price. The webmasters claim my days will never come back, they would if the consumer was forced to pay and with the global reach of the world wide web. The effect would be glorious.

How many are opposed to Net Neutrality where big users have to pay big prices? Why are they against it?

On another note, you would have to shift the focus of your business from buying up cheap to creating your own. By yourself or a shooter. But is that so hard to do?
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I hear you man. marketing a paysite today is very different than 10-15 years ago. Now it takes a real strategy and consistent effort. I have found the major difference these days is any promo tools you send out to affiliates (pics, videos, etc) only has a short term effect. meaning, in the old days you would submit a video or gallery and the "juice" (traffic) would last days or even a couple weeks. Now? A day or two TOPS. So you have to keep pumping and pumping....it can be done but it's a challenge.

Yes the money is with sites that bring in millions of users daily. I read once that if you can generate a million uniques a day you can monetize that traffic in so many ways it's almost easy. Of course getting those millions of hits....LOL

I would absolutely do media buys for some of my best-converting paysites but I found it's very, very difficult to be profitable. So I do it the old fashioned way, through sweat and hard work.
The early days of promoting porn was a mess compared with today. But that would of happened anyway.

In the days before the Internet, I ran a porn mail order firm with a spend of $1,000 and upwards a month in advertising. Seling sample tapes at Ģ5 for a hour. The initial sale of sample tapes well covered the spend and then some. The idea was to get them hooked as buyers of the main tapes Ģ20-Ģ25 for an hour. I was only selling in the UK. I had a $500,000 turnover at 50% profit. In 1995. I was a smallish player. The tapes were mostly soft and single girl.

Never ever underestimate consumers willingness to pay for porn.

Bring in a million users isn't the same as selling to 100 customers.
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How many of todays Tube, free or pirate sites could make a living with B/W at $2 a GB?

Porn companies made a very good living with porn at $40 for 5 scenes. In restricted markets. So the delusion that everything has to be free is wrong. The only thing supporting free porn is B/W at such a stupidly low price. The webmasters claim my days will never come back, they would if the consumer was forced to pay and with the global reach of the world wide web. The effect would be glorious.
how many buyers did buy the 40 dollar szene and how much do you think buy the 2 dollars szene?

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How many are opposed to Net Neutrality where big users have to pay big prices? Why are they against it?
what have net neutrality to do with a working biz concept?

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On another note, you would have to shift the focus of your business from buying up cheap to creating your own. By yourself or a shooter. But is that so hard to do?
what is hard for one is easy for the other and vise versa.
"i do all by myself" will not work anymore because nobody is perfect in all and nobody have a longer day than 24 hours.

but in this good old day you describe the have been only amateurs around.
this is the same as the football amateur league - there will be one champion but if they have to play against professionals they will not win.

the same happens in our biz.
there are no trafficgenerating designers with webmaster skills and marketing expertise monsters around.
every part of that is done by someone who does nothing else.
how will a one man show win this game ?

there is MUCH more money in that game as it was when you left the biz paul. but it is not made the way you made it.
even when we do not sell too much porn we sell much more WITH porn - and that makes the pot much bigger as you can estimate.
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The early days of promoting porn was a mess compared with today. But that would of happened anyway.

In the days before the Internet, I ran a porn mail order firm with a spend of $1,000 and upwards a month in advertising. Seling sample tapes at Ģ5 for a hour. The initial sale of sample tapes well covered the spend and then some. The idea was to get them hooked as buyers of the main tapes Ģ20-Ģ25 for an hour. I was only selling in the UK. I had a $500,000 turnover at 50% profit. In 1995. I was a smallish player. The tapes were mostly soft and single girl.

Never ever underestimate consumers willingness to pay for porn.

Bring in a million users isn't the same as selling to 100 customers.
your maths miss one point called competition.

even when you were 10 and made together 5 million in an hour it is still divided by 10.
devide it by 10.000 or 100.000 who want to eat your cake and NOBODY makes money.

you are not talking about internet paul - canīt you not see that? you talk about a biz what what nice when you shared it with a few friends and colleagues and your dreams would come true if everyone who is making money now is leaving the field and give it back to you and your few friends. this is NOT the internet paul - not even in the NEAR of the internet 2018.

there is nothing like porn and mainstream anymore. i was 3 years ago at the first affiliate world in bankgok. exept from me there have been 3 other adult guys there and I got an email from the organizer before the show that they have researched that I am a porn guy and they warned me not to bring any offensive stuff.

i was on the same exhibition again last december and 50% of the companies and media buyers there are on the one or the other way in adult. without agreed meetings or a booth i made there so much business that I have problems to find the traffic for all them.

and the mix of all that products they sell brings MUCH more money.
no porn memebership site would be able to pay even 1/10 of our prices because they can not make it profitable.

so what shall i tell my publishers? letīs sell 90% cheaper to give this guys with a fucking hard to sell product a chance too?
what do you think they would answer ?

you really do not understand the big game because you never played it - which is not meant in any way pejorative - but with such skills you can not tell people who are MAKING huge money with it that it does not work. the mouse that eats the crumbs under the table does not know how to fill the table - if the mouse would know it it would not be a mouse.
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how many buyers did buy the 40 dollar szene and how much do you think buy the 2 dollars szene?
The same number. Or at worse half as many.



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what have net neutrality to do with a working biz concept?
Isn't it meant to put up the price of B/W? If not what is everyone scared of?

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what is hard for one is easy for the other and vise versa.
"i do all by myself" will not work anymore because nobody is perfect in all and nobody have a longer day than 24 hours.
I employed people.

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but in this good old day you describe the have been only amateurs around.
this is the same as the football amateur league - there will be one champion but if they have to play against professionals they will not win.
Wicked, Vivid, Evil Angel were amateurs????

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there are no trafficgenerating designers with webmaster skills and marketing expertise monsters around.
every part of that is done by someone who does nothing else.
how will a one man show win this game ?
Aren't you a one-man band?

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there is MUCH more money in that game as it was when you left the biz paul. but it is not made the way you made it.
even when we do not sell too much porn we sell much more WITH porn - and that makes the pot much bigger as you can estimate.
Which is why the industry has shrunk!!!!

You don't know how much the industry was worth and I doubt if you know now. Few publish accounts. Are you saying you can't get traffic unless you give away free porn?

According to your site, you sell 1,000 clicks at $10 . Well that'as what it says. Bought traffic in adult is hard to convert and even at 1-1,000, you are losing. Traffic from a TGP would convert at 1-200. That assumes you can make one sale in 1,000 clicks and everyone knows your traffic won't do that.
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Wicked, Vivid, Evil Angel were amateurs????
when they are not here anymore it tells you something about far seeing.
in an easy market everyone can make money.

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Aren't you a one-man band?
no i am not - I have a lot of people working in the background but I am SPECIALZED.
I am just focused on one thing and all the other know how i have I give to the people what are specialized in something else (if they need it)

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Which is why the industry has shrunk!!!!
industry shrunk means for you that there are not that much glamour producers on the market since the home made videos killed them ?
well THAT IS obviously the content what the MAJORITY of the people like.

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You don't know how much the industry was worth and I doubt if you know now. Few publish accounts. Are you saying you can't get traffic unless you give away free porn?
I know it very well paul - i was here in that time and i was making money.
but i did not stand still - i moved forward with the market.

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According to your site, you sell 1,000 clicks at $10 . Well that'as what it says. Bought traffic in adult is hard to convert and even at 1-1,000, you are losing. Traffic from a TGP would convert at 1-200. That assumes you can make one sale in 1,000 clicks and everyone knows your traffic won't do that.
again you show that you do not even know how this biz is working.

according to my side you can see that you can make a minimum BID of 1 cent - if you get traffic from that depends on the country, the device type and the placement type (afganistan, tablet, invideo you would probably get all traffic for 1 cent per click). in the Top geos you will not receive any click and you can not even bid such a price.

you donīt know this biz paul so give up to explain how stupid you are.
the one they laugh here about is you because you really make yourself a clown here with knowledge from 1995.

you can not even understand the most simple maths - means: you are able to make money as long as you share a market with blinds but when the seeing ones come to the game you are completely lost.

you could not survive because of your brain or your quality because you donīt have any of this. you could survive because you were born soon enough to be one of the first in a goldrush. i was that too - I did not understand internet or how to make money with it but i made money too. but i used the time - you did not.
so better go back to your political threads because there you will find more who agree with your outstanding stupid logic. but please do all of us here that favor and donīt talk biz - you donīt even know how to update your computer security software or understand what a bidding network is.

if they will open here a special forum with the topic: "I am stupid - who is guilty" or "tipps and tricks to bankrupt faster" I swear I will vote for you to be the moderator.
but really sorry - in serious biz talks you should ONLY READ and not unmask yourself as the fool that you unfortunately are.
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Thommy is approaching this from the wrong perspective. How many have to buy when it's free? A lot less than when free wasn't available.

Porn buyers are addicted to jerking off to porn. They are not your casual passers-by, they do not come upon porn by accident and decide to buy. The impulse to buy porn is already there, the only thing left is to choose who to buy.

They buy when they have got bored with what they have and want something new and still in a similar genre. They buy what they see as quality for their niche. Not quality in the normal sense of the word. Quality in porn is the believability of the models and scene.

We sell mainly to a first world employed customer. So forget about increasing sales by 10 times when dropping to $2 a scene. People who can't afford $40 a month aren't our customers in the main.

The consequence of losing Net Neutrality.

https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/...o-get-it-back/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/t...questions.html
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your maths miss one point called competition.

even when you were 10 and made together 5 million in an hour it is still divided by 10.
devide it by 10.000 or 100.000 who want to eat your cake and NOBODY makes money.

you are not talking about internet paul - canīt you not see that? you talk about a biz what what nice when you shared it with a few friends and colleagues and your dreams would come true if everyone who is making money now is leaving the field and give it back to you and your few friends. this is NOT the internet paul - not even in the NEAR of the internet 2018.

there is nothing like porn and mainstream anymore. i was 3 years ago at the first affiliate world in bankgok. exept from me there have been 3 other adult guys there and I got an email from the organizer before the show that they have researched that I am a porn guy and they warned me not to bring any offensive stuff.

i was on the same exhibition again last december and 50% of the companies and media buyers there are on the one or the other way in adult. without agreed meetings or a booth i made there so much business that I have problems to find the traffic for all them.

and the mix of all that products they sell brings MUCH more money.
no porn memebership site would be able to pay even 1/10 of our prices because they can not make it profitable.

so what shall i tell my publishers? letīs sell 90% cheaper to give this guys with a fucking hard to sell product a chance too?
what do you think they would answer ?

you really do not understand the big game because you never played it - which is not meant in any way pejorative - but with such skills you can not tell people who are MAKING huge money with it that it does not work. the mouse that eats the crumbs under the table does not know how to fill the table - if the mouse would know it it would not be a mouse.
Today you are right. The Internet gives us greater access to customers.

I had access to a market of 55 million. Online I have access to billions. OK, most are in the Third world, but the population of Europe and America is around a billion.

He is right about no porn site can afford his traffic. Because at $10 a 1,000 and it required 3,000 to make a sale they are left with little profit. 3,000 converting a 1-200 is something they can afford. He's right at the prices most traffic is sold the products are a hard sell. Porn never was it 3,000 used to convert 60 at $30 + rebills.

There is nothing left but crumbs in porn.
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Today you are right. The Internet gives us greater access to customers.

I had access to a market of 55 million. Online I have access to billions. OK, most are in the Third world, but the population of Europe and America is around a billion.

He is right about no porn site can afford his traffic. Because at $10 a 1,000 and it required 3,000 to make a sale they are left with little profit. 3,000 converting a 1-200 is something they can afford. He's right at the prices most traffic is sold the products are a hard sell. Porn never was it 3,000 used to convert 60 at $30 + rebills.

There is nothing left but crumbs in porn.

where do you get this number from ???

do you know the livetimevalue of a cam user ?
do you know the lifetime value of an enhancemand buyer?
do you know the lifetime value of a gambler ?
do you know the lifetime value of a dating user?
do you know the lifetime value of someone who buys vitamin pills on a regular base?

IF you would know it and IF you would know the average livetimevalue of a user of a memebershiip site you would know how wrong you are.

i have advertisers the are abbe to spend per new paying customer 400 or 500 dollars for the advertising. how much can a porn site spend ? 40 ? 50 ? 60 ?

and yes there are sometimes products who are converting 1:1000 but there are also products converting 1:10.
why should i focus on anything? if tomorrow users want to buy bicycles i will let them do.
and when an advertisers know how to do he can and if not HE will lose money (what is not in my interest and this is why I send already a lot of them to spend their money on a good dinner).

the calculation here must be ok for each one involved - no matter if it is the publisher, the advertisers and me also - and this can only work with success and professionalism is the key to success.

why you want to count my business what i do every day with growing success?
why you want to tell me that this biz is dead when i see in my own numbers and clickprices that we are growing every year 100-200% ?

why donīt you see HOW MANY NEW companies are around and making money with customers on porn sites? HUGE companies what do not care to sell porn or mainstream on porn.

why donīt you ASK this people with what they make the most revenue even when they look like a mainstream company I saw a huge number of them here in the board.

alone in the last 5 years there where THOUSANDS of new CPA networks growing til the moon. with who do you think they work mainly? they work with mediabuyers !!!!
and from where do you think those mediabuyers (who have a plan how to sell products but not a plan how to generate traffic) get their traffic from?

you do not have the smallest clue from what numbers we are talking here because they are FAR over the number you know from your best times

I give you some maths - maybe you are able to get to a result:

between 1995 and 2000 the number of internet users increased from 16 million to 361 million - this is a growth of ~ 2500%

in that time internet was expensive - what leads to the fact that only people with a good income could afford it.

between 2000 and 2005 the number was rising to around 900 million internetusers what was caused by the decrease of costs. so here we have now a growth of 249% but the users what came additional have been poorer.

between 2005 and 2010 the number rised again because internet went cheaper and the number of internetusers went to 1,9 billion - a growth of +~ 110%

between 2010 and 2015 this number increased to 3,2 Billion (with again cheaper prices fror internet and also a huge number of mobile users in the third world) the increase was
68%

in the last years between 20015 and 2017 the number reached 4,15 Billion users what is
an increase of 29%

so what you see here is that the percentual grow of the market went less and less with the time. addiltinally the new users came because the internet was cheap enough that they can afford it.

in the same time the number of people who want to make money in internet increased each year around 50% (and donīt tell me now that you just se people going - because you do not even assume how many people in asia and the third world a competing on the same level in the same market and live from that)

so lets assume that in 1995 we had a number of maybe 2000 people who took care about the money of 16 million rich - we have now worldwide 5 million internet marketers who are sharing the budgets from 4,15 billion users were the majority is poor.

with other words - in 1995 there have been for each internet marketer 8000 RICH users
and now there are 830 poors for each competing marketer.

and now you will tell me that each marketer should try to sell his 830 poor users a product what the most of them can not afford to buy.

do the maths paul before you open your mouth and talk pure amateur bullshit.
you showed me already in your worldeconomy speeches here that you got your skills in a beer pub.
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where do you get this number from ???

do you know the livetimevalue of a cam user ?
do you know the lifetime value of an enhancemand buyer?
do you know the lifetime value of a gambler ?
do you know the lifetime value of a dating user?
do you know the lifetime value of someone who buys vitamin pills on a regular base?
It has to be less than the value of porn buyers prior to Tubes. The prices you sell traffic at proves it. $10 for 1,000. Doesn't convert as well as 1,000 sent to a good porn site. At 1-200 that's $1,500 in initial sales only. Rebills and reselling them to other porn sites make even more money.

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You are including non-porn sites. Which makes your claims about porn wrong.

Online advertising is a multi-billion dollar industry. Far larger than the porn business. It supports Google, FB, Twitter, etc. https://www.alexa.com/topsites But that's not porn. The top porn tubes are limited in who will advertise with them. Cams, penis pills etc.

I don't need a page of bollox to make my point.
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It has to be less than the value of porn buyers prior to Tubes. The prices you sell traffic at proves it. $10 for 1,000. Doesn't convert as well as 1,000 sent to a good porn site. At 1-200 that's $1,500 in initial sales only. Rebills and reselling them to other porn sites make even more money.

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You are including non-porn sites. Which makes your claims about porn wrong.

Online advertising is a multi-billion dollar industry. Far larger than the porn business. It supports Google, FB, Twitter, etc. https://www.alexa.com/topsites But that's not porn. The top porn tubes are limited in who will advertise with them. Cams, penis pills etc.

I don't need a page of bollox to make my point.
so the news sites are than not the internet industry they are the news industry?
weather sites are the weather industry and football sites are the football internet industry?

well than you have choosen an industry what never had more than 0,26% of a humanīs budget. no wonder that you could not survive when you focused on such a small budget.

btw. if you count the enhancement to the porn industry what is their content to get customers ? big dick picture sites ?

you do not talk about the industry here - you talk about your own destiny.
but this apocalypse caused that today is not only paul markham and a few other producers on the market.
the content available today is 100 times more as it was in your "good times".
and produced for what and why?

your eyes are too small to get the global vision. and this is why you have to survive now with a few dollars you get every month from the shops what still sell your content in some bulk packages.
but as it is only 0,001% of ALL AVAILABLE content you can not expect more.
that does not mean that there is no money any more in the biz. it does only mean that you are history.
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You have to also remember Thommy that people that buy Adult traffic and are selling products worth hundreds or thousands (cams, dating, pills) are doing so - and paying you $10 a thousand hits - for many more reasons than pure profit. LOL

This is what I love when people, even knowledgeable ones, try to calculate numbers in the porn biz. Adult is NOT "mainstream" (Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc). Porn is filled with questionable revenue sources from questionable countries. YES there are plenty of "legit" companies doing things the right way. But there are ALSO many companies pumping money into a system just so it comes out clean afterwards. Profit is not their motive.

So you factor in that segment - or take it OUT - and the "profits" from buying traffic deflate like a balloon. Congrats to Thommy (and any traffic broker) that can get in on this circle jerk game but it's not a game small-to-mid size companies can (or should) play.
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so the news sites are than not the internet industry they are the news industry?
weather sites are the weather industry and football sites are the football internet industry?

well than you have choosen an industry what never had more than 0,26% of a humanīs budget. no wonder that you could not survive when you focused on such a small budget.

btw. if you count the enhancement to the porn industry what is their content to get customers ? big dick picture sites ?

you do not talk about the industry here - you talk about your own destiny.
but this apocalypse caused that today is not only paul markham and a few other producers on the market.
the content available today is 100 times more as it was in your "good times".
and produced for what and why?

your eyes are too small to get the global vision. and this is why you have to survive now with a few dollars you get every month from the shops what still sell your content in some bulk packages.
but as it is only 0,001% of ALL AVAILABLE content you can not expect more.
that does not mean that there is no money any more in the biz. it does only mean that you are history.
Of course, I'm discussing the porn industry only. What does mainstream have to do with the porn business? You advertise scam site on the two tubes sites I found. Pornhub and xhamster in their German versions. The mainstream has no effect on the porn business.
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You have to also remember Thommy that people that buy Adult traffic and are selling products worth hundreds or thousands (cams, dating, pills) are doing so - and paying you $10 a thousand hits - for many more reasons than pure profit. LOL

This is what I love when people, even knowledgeable ones, try to calculate numbers in the porn biz. Adult is NOT "mainstream" (Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc). Porn is filled with questionable revenue sources from questionable countries. YES there are plenty of "legit" companies doing things the right way. But there are ALSO many companies pumping money into a system just so it comes out clean afterwards. Profit is not their motive.

So you factor in that segment - or take it OUT - and the "profits" from buying traffic deflate like a balloon. Congrats to Thommy (and any traffic broker) that can get in on this circle jerk game but it's not a game small-to-mid size companies can (or should) play.
We are wasting our time. He keeps telling us what online advertising is worth. Nothing to do with porn advertising and what he earns.

Back in the good days online. Legit sites were paying the big affiliates $30 to $40 a join. Now he's selling scam sites for a few $ while insisting he's part of a global biz.

Mainstream dating isn't advertising on Adult sites.
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Thanks I think you and Thommy are right. I know for a fact I am blocked when I try to use popup code with Ninja Popups. I am sure google knows all the popular plugins.

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You have to also remember Thommy that people that buy Adult traffic and are selling products worth hundreds or thousands (cams, dating, pills) are doing so - and paying you $10 a thousand hits - for many more reasons than pure profit. LOL

This is what I love when people, even knowledgeable ones, try to calculate numbers in the porn biz. Adult is NOT "mainstream" (Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc). Porn is filled with questionable revenue sources from questionable countries. YES there are plenty of "legit" companies doing things the right way. But there are ALSO many companies pumping money into a system just so it comes out clean afterwards. Profit is not their motive.

So you factor in that segment - or take it OUT - and the "profits" from buying traffic deflate like a balloon. Congrats to Thommy (and any traffic broker) that can get in on this circle jerk game but it's not a game small-to-mid size companies can (or should) play.
well all MY advertisers want to make profit.
no matter what they are promoting.

the biz model of a tube is not so far from yours. the only difference is that you charge users for the content - on a tube users are paying with their presence and by buying other products - products what might make much more profit as you would be able to make with porn.

fact is that the tubes are part of the porn biz and they are not only existing they are
the market leaders and because of their size they have been able to bring more money into the same market what we call "porn market" because we catch the user with porn.

and that this works is shown from the numbers.
all that revenue companies like exoclick, trafficjunky, ero-advertising, plugrush etc is generating is revenue that the pron industry did not have before.
maybe 20% of this revenues are made with selling porn (and here mostly cams)
and the rest is revenue what was not existing before. but the payouts are going to the same people, competing for the same search engine positions, showing the same kind of content and attracting the same group.

with this old fashioned idea of selling this people only porn we would have lost all this additional revenues what are the BIGGER part of the budget of a PORN USER !!!

so if we can agree that the people who are WATCHING PORN are the ones who give the base for a biz and that everyone who makes money from this users is part of the porn biz
from today we are already at the fact that membersites are the smallest part what is generating revenue into this pot.

if a porn site would be able to sell a user his next car does not mean that it is not a pornsite anymore - it just generates revenue indirectly and with a much broader range of possible products a user can need AWAY FROM PORN.
and if you believe it or not - a porn user (no matter if poor or rich) spends more than 99% of his total budget for other things than porn.

you can very easy calculate that by adding the buying power of each country in the world together, devide it by the number of internet users, estimate that 25% of them are watching porn and compare it to the aproximate revenue of the complete porn industry.

and nothing else than that is the concept and the reason why there is MUCH MORE money made in this days WITH PORN USERS as it was in the good old days.
the one who invented the petroleum lamp is not the lamp industry.
and if petroleum would still only be used fro lamps it would be a very very small biz.
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well all MY advertisers want to make profit.
no matter what they are promoting.

the biz model of a tube is not so far from yours. the only difference is that you charge users for the content - on a tube users are paying with their presence and by buying other products - products what might make much more profit as you would be able to make with porn.

fact is that the tubes are part of the porn biz and they are not only existing they are
the market leaders and because of their size they have been able to bring more money into the same market what we call "porn market" because we catch the user with porn.

and that this works is shown from the numbers.
all that revenue companies like exoclick, trafficjunky, ero-advertising, plugrush etc is generating is revenue that the pron industry did not have before.
maybe 20% of this revenues are made with selling porn (and here mostly cams)
and the rest is revenue what was not existing before. but the payouts are going to the same people, competing for the same search engine positions, showing the same kind of content and attracting the same group.

with this old fashioned idea of selling this people only porn we would have lost all this additional revenues what are the BIGGER part of the budget of a PORN USER !!!

so if we can agree that the people who are WATCHING PORN are the ones who give the base for a biz and that everyone who makes money from this users is part of the porn biz
from today we are already at the fact that membersites are the smallest part what is generating revenue into this pot.

if a porn site would be able to sell a user his next car does not mean that it is not a pornsite anymore - it just generates revenue indirectly and with a much broader range of possible products a user can need AWAY FROM PORN.
and if you believe it or not - a porn user (no matter if poor or rich) spends more than 99% of his total budget for other things than porn.

you can very easy calculate that by adding the buying power of each country in the world together, devide it by the number of internet users, estimate that 25% of them are watching porn and compare it to the aproximate revenue of the complete porn industry.

and nothing else than that is the concept and the reason why there is MUCH MORE money made in this days WITH PORN USERS as it was in the good old days.
the one who invented the petroleum lamp is not the lamp industry.
and if petroleum would still only be used fro lamps it would be a very very small biz.
What do you base your statements on that giving porn away is making more money than selling porn was in 2007?

Do you sell traffic for $30 for 500?
Can you afford to buy traffic from affiliates at the price porn sites did?
Can you afford to buy content at the price porn sites paid?
Could you pay for B/W if it rose to $5 a gig?
Could you afford to have exclusive models?

Porn sites can do all that and more.

Why if the ads game is so great, do you sell scam sites?

No doubt once you include all advertising, that industry is far larger than ours. It always was. But all advertising isn't what we are discussing. Stick to the porn industry and what adverts are on porn domains.
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No doubt once you include all advertising, that industry is far larger than ours. It always was. But all advertising isn't what we are discussing. Stick to the porn industry and what adverts are on porn domains.
well than letīs stick on that:

if the pornsites can pay that money what we want for an adclick they are welcome to buy it.
i would appreciate it - but unfortunately only a few cam sites are able to spend over 200 for a new buyer and even they have a problem to compete with people who spend 500.

porn will work with small affiliates and will not go - but it will never be "the biz" again because the "key: naked pussy" opens also bigger doors.

this is the natural way things are going.
cinema was replaced by TV and still a few cinemas are working but they do a fraction of what TV is doing.

you can not change that by ignoring it.
this is why you can only talk from the past - but the past helps nobody here - i am talking from the presence and the future.because members here on gfy want to make money NOW and not in the past.
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well than letīs stick on that:

if the pornsites can pay that money what we want for an adclick they are welcome to buy it.
i would appreciate it - but unfortunately only a few cam sites are able to spend over 200 for a new buyer and even they have a problem to compete with people who spend 500.

porn will work with small affiliates and will not go - but it will never be "the biz" again because the "key: naked pussy" opens also bigger doors.

this is the natural way things are going.
cinema was replaced by TV and still a few cinemas are working but they do a fraction of what TV is doing.

you can not change that by ignoring it.
this is why you can only talk from the past - but the past helps nobody here - i am talking from the presence and the future.because members here on gfy want to make money NOW and not in the past.
What do you base your statements on that giving porn away is making more money than selling porn was in 2007 for the porn industry.?

Do you sell traffic for $30 for 500?
Can you afford to buy traffic from affiliates at the price porn sites did?
Can you afford to buy content at the price porn sites paid?
Could you pay for B/W if it rose to $5 a gig?
Could you afford to have exclusive models?

Porn sites can do all that and more.

Why if the ads game is so great, do you sell scam sites?

You are dead right. Today very few legit porn sites can afford to buy traffic even at $5 per 1,000. As it takes so many 1,000s to convert. They used to pay $30 for a few hundred clicks.

Stick to what can be advertised on porn sites.
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What do you base your statements on that giving porn away is making more money than selling porn was in 2007 for the porn industry.?

Do you sell traffic for $30 for 500?
Can you afford to buy traffic from affiliates at the price porn sites did?
Can you afford to buy content at the price porn sites paid?
Could you pay for B/W if it rose to $5 a gig?
Could you afford to have exclusive models?

Porn sites can do all that and more.

Why if the ads game is so great, do you sell scam sites?

You are dead right. Today very few legit porn sites can afford to buy traffic even at $5 per 1,000. As it takes so many 1,000s to convert. They used to pay $30 for a few hundred clicks.

Stick to what can be advertised on porn sites.
paul you donīt know how yieldbidding works and I will not explain you because first of all you will not understand it anyway and second of all you will never need to know it because you will never find a way back in the biz.

done now with this issue because i donīt think that the only thread what is around something actual and important should be flattert with your superdumb amateur BS.
go and enjoy your retirement and let the working people work.
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paul you donīt know how yieldbidding works and I will not explain you because first of all you will not understand it anyway and second of all you will never need to know it because you will never find a way back in the biz.

done now with this issue because i donīt think that the only thread what is around something actual and important should be flattert with your superdumb amateur BS.
go and enjoy your retirement and let the working people work.
So the answer to;

Do you sell traffic for $30 for 500?
Can you afford to buy traffic from affiliates at the price porn sites did?
Can you afford to buy content at the price porn sites paid?
Could you pay for B/W if it rose to $5 a gig?
Could you afford to have exclusive models?

Is no to all.

You sell scam sites because that's your level.

This is a debate between you, me and Porn Nerd regarding what advertising has done to the porn industry. You have continually included mainstream on your side of the debate.
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So the answer to;
if you would have for 5 cent intelligence aou would know the answer

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Do you sell traffic for $30 for 500?
do you really think that IF there would be a way to spend 30 and make 500 that there would not be another one who pay more?

so NO - i do not sell traffic fro 30 to make 500 because the market rules would not allow that.

an average media buyer has a goal of 20% ROI. and to make that he must be MUCH smarter as his competitor and convert much better.

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Can you afford to buy traffic from affiliates at the price porn sites did?
well all my publishers have been affiliates before and guess why they prefer to sell the traffic over my plattform.

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Can you afford to buy content at the price porn sites paid?
none of the tubes in my network would buy for that price but some of them buy for 10-20 k each month.
how many pornsites you know who can do that ?

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Could you pay for B/W if it rose to $5 a gig?
i did not get this question - donīt know what you mean here exactly

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Could you afford to have exclusive models?
for what?
i have publishers making 100 k every month and they do not even know the names of the models in their sites. they also donīt care because they do not sell the models or the content - they sell whatever with it.


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Is no to all.

You sell scam sites because that's your level.
do you know what "scam" means ?

I think i have the cleanest network in this fucking world.

we sell products and nothing else.
we are just not focused on selling products what are not able to make enough profit
to pay the price we want.


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This is a debate between you, me and Porn Nerd regarding what advertising has done to the porn industry. You have continually included mainstream on your side of the debate.
your problem is that you see the "porn industry" as those few what are still living of selling porn.
this time has passed 10 years ago already because the market is not big enough to feed 1 million or more paysites.

i give you an example:

i bought a few of sites what used to make their income with selling pornsites.
i got this sites cheap because the income was a joke.

i changed the advertising material on this sites to just adcodes from my network
and my investment returned within 3 month.

and even the webmasters who sold me this sites have been happy because i paid them between 10 and 15 times the average income from the last 6 month. so more than fair for everybody.

and yes these are still porn sites with FREE porn content. they are just not focused on selling porn - and the one who can pay most because he makes the best out of the traffic will get the buying power.

so all normal as it is everywhere in the world - in every biz.

if you would be still in the biz or KNOWING what in this biz happens you would also realize that you can not find a booth from pornsites at the bigger exhibitions.
same as they can not afford to buy such a booth they can not afford to buy the traffic .
i do not say that this is either good or bad. it is just a fact. if you like it or not.
people a re free to choose if they want to life in yesterday and suffer or swim with the stream and use the chances the market gives.

i am specialized on the second option and work with people who are doing the same.
if you like that or believe that is not important and i give a flying and diving fuck on it.
so if you think someone needs your apocalypse - i am fine with that.
maybe you can ask eric if he wants to open a cry board here for you and the ones who donīt want to accept that times have changed.
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do you really think that IF there would be a way to spend 30 and make 500 that there would not be another one who pay more?

so NO - i do not sell traffic fro 30 to make 500 because the market rules would not allow that.

an average media buyer has a goal of 20% ROI. and to make that he must be MUCH smarter as his competitor and convert much better.
So you can't afford to pay what porn paysites used to pay.



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well all my publishers have been affiliates before and guess why they prefer to sell the traffic over my plattform.
So you can't afford to pay what porn paysites used to pay.



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none of the tubes in my network would buy for that price but some of them buy for 10-20 k each month.
how many pornsites you know who can do that ?
So you can't afford to pay what porn paysites used to pay.



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i did not get this question - donīt know what you mean here exactly
It's a very simple question a moron should no the answer to. Tubes couldn't afford to pay $5 a Gigabyte to running their sites.


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for what?
i have publishers making 100 k every month and they do not even know the names of the models in their sites. they also donīt care because they do not sell the models or the content - they sell whatever with it.
Show us who.




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do you know what "scam" means ?

I think i have the cleanest network in this fucking world.

we sell products and nothing else.
we are just not focused on selling products what are not able to make enough profit
to pay the price we want.
Not what you sold on the two sites I found. pornhubdeutsch.net/ and xhamsterdeutsch.xyz/.


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your problem is that you see the "porn industry" as those few what are still living of selling porn.
this time has passed 10 years ago already because the market is not big enough to feed 1 million or more paysites.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. I see the idustry before Tubes could give away porn and sell advertising because B/W was so low. I hope Net Neutrality will raise the price of hosting to a level that kills off Tube sites and bring back the days when porn sites can pay $5,000 for a good BG scene.

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i bought a few of sites what used to make their income with selling pornsites.
i got this sites cheap because the income was a joke.

i changed the advertising material on this sites to just adcodes from my network
and my investment returned within 3 month.

and even the webmasters who sold me this sites have been happy because i paid them between 10 and 15 times the average income from the last 6 month. so more than fair for everybody.
When leeches can't buy up sites so cheap.

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and yes these are still porn sites with FREE porn content. they are just not focused on selling porn - and the one who can pay most because he makes the best out of the traffic will get the buying power.

so all normal as it is everywhere in the world - in every biz.

if you would be still in the biz or KNOWING what in this biz happens you would also realize that you can not find a booth from pornsites at the bigger exhibitions.
same as they can not afford to buy such a booth they can not afford to buy the traffic .
i do not say that this is either good or bad. it is just a fact. if you like it or not.
people a re free to choose if they want to life in yesterday and suffer or swim with the stream and use the chances the market gives.

i am specialized on the second option and work with people who are doing the same.
if you like that or believe that is not important and i give a flying and diving fuck on it.
so if you think someone needs your apocalypse - i am fine with that.
maybe you can ask eric if he wants to open a cry board here for you and the ones who donīt want to accept that times have changed.
Agreed today's model suits the bottom feeders. Who wouldn't survive if B/W gets too expensive.

At last, we agree. You are making the only living left for many in porn. The industry has shrunk and selling traffic will never make the money that selling porn used to make. Why didn't you read what I posted from the beginning and agree with me?

Today you buy up cheap content from sites that were once successful and now broke. Should costs of hosting rise to a level that makes free porn to the level that would make Tube sites unprofitable. Those paysites will return.
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So you can't afford to pay what porn paysites used to pay.
can you read what i wrote ?

my publisher have been affiliates and now they are not anymore - so you think this is because they get less with me ???

whatīs is wrong in your head?

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It's a very simple question a moron should no the answer to. Tubes couldn't afford to pay $5 a Gigabyte to running their sites.
a gig what ? of traffic ?
tubes donīt calculate in gigs paul.
they calculate in TB and if it is a big one they calculate in TB per hour.

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Show us who.
ah did you give your customers data ?
i do not, sorry.
if that was in your old world normal - in my new world it is not.

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Not what you sold on the two sites I found. pornhubdeutsch.net/ and xhamsterdeutsch.xyz/.
what kind of "scam" did you find there ???

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That's exactly what I'm talking about. I see the idustry before Tubes could give away porn and sell advertising because B/W was so low. I hope Net Neutrality will raise the price of hosting to a level that kills off Tube sites and bring back the days when porn sites can pay $5,000 for a good BG scene.
looooool - keep on dreaming.
if pornsites have to pay more for the traffic they pay less for the content - it is that easy.

nobody in the fucking world will pay you 5000 for a scene because nobody will ever make even a fraction of that.

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When leeches can't buy up sites so cheap.
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well obviously i was the one who paid most - if not i would not own the sited now.

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Agreed today's model suits the bottom feeders. Who wouldn't survive if B/W gets too expensive.
because you know only bottom feeders. this is your world.

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At last, we agree. You are making the only living left for many in porn. The industry has shrunk and selling traffic will never make the money that selling porn used to make. Why didn't you read what I posted from the beginning and agree with me?
you still donīt get it right?
they make MUCH MORE as they made with porn because their traffic is sold to peaple who KNOW how to make money out of it. this is why they can pay more - even more as a webmaster can make with it.

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Today you buy up cheap content from sites that were once successful and now broke. Should costs of hosting rise to a level that makes free porn to the level that would make Tube sites unprofitable. Those paysites will return.
looooool again - you are a dreamer. so go and open some cinemas or open a shop with gas lamps - i am sure they will also come back.

i know that your biggest problem is the maths - what you proved in nearly all of your threads.

you other problem is that you THINK you were standing on the highest mountain but you only have been on a small hill.


you rave about old times in which you have earned in a year times 20 k a month net. but you did not realize that you were always at the end of the food chain. I would never have worked for 20k a month and never would.

for someone like you that may be a lot of money but if you were in this biz from the beginning it is more of a proof that you never had the skills to earn money because you never understood the market and was unable to think even 5 minutes into the future.

just accept it and donīt try to convince anybody a with your 5 times warmed up bullshit.

that was it for my part - i donīt have anything to add what i did not say already. if you doubt what i said - up to you - nobody needs your approval for the obvious.
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can you read what i wrote ?

my publisher have been affiliates and now they are not anymore - so you think this is because they get less with me ???

whatīs is wrong in your head?
They get less with you than they use to promoting paysites.



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a gig what ? of traffic ?
tubes donīt calculate in gigs paul.
they calculate in TB and if it is a big one they calculate in TB per hour.
It will still get too expensive if Net Neutrality gets passed.



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ah did you give your customers data ?
i do not, sorry.
if that was in your old world normal - in my new world it is not.
So you can't prove Jack Shit.



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what kind of "scam" did you find there ???
I saw the sites you promote. Do the girls in the pictures feature of the sites and offer anything?



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looooool - keep on dreaming.
if pornsites have to pay more for the traffic they pay less for the content - it is that easy.

nobody in the fucking world will pay you 5000 for a scene because nobody will ever make even a fraction of that.
Of course I'm talking about the past. What don't you get about that? Or if the costs of B/W rose above what free sites can't afford the good times will return.

You live only in the present. I'm telling you repeatedly that we used to make more in the past and will make more in the future if free porn couldn't be given away in amounts content producers can't compete with.

You rule now. But.

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Heads up, just noticed how stable version of chrome updated to version 65. Tho what i noticed, seems pop traffic on most ad networks in unaffected.
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Heads up, just noticed how stable version of chrome updated to version 65. Tho what i noticed, seems pop traffic on most ad networks in unaffected.
this have nothing to do with chrome.
since chrome 64 the popunders just changed to be tabs.

ads in sites (including pops) get only blocked when they are manually checked and failed.

in some cases some sites have been even approved with pops inside (if they did not open on click in empty space) - in some cases they complained all kind of pops.

the manually checks are still ongoing - as long as you did not receive a notice in webmaster-tools what tells you that you site either fails or complies they did not even look at it yet.
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Of course I'm talking about the past. What don't you get about that? Or if the costs of B/W rose above what free sites can't afford the good times will return.

You live only in the present. I'm telling you repeatedly that we used to make more in the past and will make more in the future if free porn couldn't be given away in amounts content producers can't compete with.

You rule now. But.
i donīt want to answer your bullshit because you did not understand a word.

so keep on living in the past.

I was there too (you seem to forget that i am also 21 years in that biz what you had to give up years ago because you could not compete anymore) - and you never made big money. this might be big for you but i doubt that you know what big money is.

so letīs stop that conversation it is boring for everyone who makes this biz TODAY.
you can not give advise or change the world and you donīt know a shit of how this market works today (same as you did not know how it worked in the past when my dog could make money with the internet).
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