Can deepfake "parodies" be legal? - GoFuckYourself.com

mce · 02-22-2018, 03:42 AM

Any ideas on this?

Paul&John · 02-22-2018, 06:37 AM

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mce · 02-22-2018, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul&John

reddit didnt liked them

Anybody else?

2MuchMark · 02-22-2018, 08:06 AM

Of course not.

A parody uses look-alike actors. Deepfake uses copyright images.

CaptainHowdy · 02-22-2018, 08:36 AM

They're tasteless and weird ....

blackmonsters · 02-22-2018, 11:07 AM

Anytime you are fucking with somebody you are fucking with them.
That's what I think about; because a new law can be passed just because I fucked with somebody.

DBS.US · 02-22-2018, 07:03 PM

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Bladewire · 02-22-2018, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Of course not.

A parody uses look-alike actors. Deepfake uses copyright images.

^^^ Truth!

EliteWebmaster · 02-23-2018, 05:16 AM

The fact of the matter is Parody uses trademarked names in the titles like "Justice League XXX", trademarked logo fonts, and often trademarked costumes/clothes, and even the storylines are copyright infringement on the actual movie. Just because it's called "Parody", it's legal? That's bullshit.

So how is Deepfake any different? MIght as well call it Actress "Parody" then and get away with it..

blackmonsters · 02-23-2018, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster

The fact of the matter is Parody uses trademarked names in the titles like "Justice League XXX", trademarked logo fonts, and often trademarked costumes/clothes, and even the storylines are copyright infringement on the actual movie. Just because it's called "Parody", it's legal? That's bullshit.

So how is Deepfake any different? MIght as well call it Actress "Parody" then and get away with it..

But it's always completely obvious that it's not the real people or company in a parody.
Deep fakes' entire purpose is to make you think this is the real person or company.

That's a really big difference that you are overlooking.

Catalyst · 02-23-2018, 06:49 AM

A lot of people are doing it with stole content.
My releases cover new media and new technology. If I deepfake my own models with my own video, I don't see the legal problem with that.

blackmonsters · 02-23-2018, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Catalyst

A lot of people are doing it with stole content.
My releases cover new media and new technology. If I deepfake my own models with my own video, I don't see the legal problem with that.

Do you own the video of the celebrity too or is that stolen content?

Catalyst · 02-23-2018, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Do you own the video of the celebrity too or is that stolen content?

When i was doing learn to create them ( doing the training), I did it on videos I shot and photos I have taken.

Nothing stolen. I hate it when my own work gets stolen, that would be fucked up for me to steal other people images.

2MuchMark · 02-23-2018, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster

The fact of the matter is Parody uses trademarked names in the titles like "Justice League XXX", trademarked logo fonts, and often trademarked costumes/clothes, and even the storylines are copyright infringement on the actual movie. Just because it's called "Parody", it's legal? That's bullshit.
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I completely agree with you.

JFK · 02-23-2018, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Catalyst

When i was doing learn to create them ( doing the training), I did it on videos I shot and photos I have taken.

Nothing stolen. I hate it when my own work gets stolen, that would be fucked up for me to steal other people images.

blackmonsters · 02-23-2018, 08:36 AM

Blah blah blah : Opinion always changes when it's your content or face with shit on it.

Catalyst · 02-23-2018, 08:38 AM

Really it is 2 questions.

are deepfake legal?

are parodies legal?

deepfakes are a tool, like a camera, or a computer. You can use it to break the law or you can use it to do other things..

blackmonsters · 02-23-2018, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Catalyst

Really it is 2 questions.

are deepfake legal?

are parodies legal?

deepfakes are a tool, like a camera, or a computer. You can use it to break the law or you can use it to do other things..

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par·o·dy
perədē/Submit
noun
1. an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.

Where is the funny part about deep fakes?

None.

End of story.

blackmonsters · 02-23-2018, 08:53 AM

Most people really need lawyers to figure out basic shit.

Catalyst · 02-23-2018, 08:54 AM

Have you seen the nicolas cage deepfakes or the trump deepfakes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On3vPlqcsLo

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Where is the funny part about deep fakes?

None.

End of story.

blackmonsters · 02-23-2018, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Catalyst

Have you seen the nicolas cage deepfakes or the trump deepfakes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On3vPlqcsLo

Yeah, I'm sure they are on youtube.

InfoGuy · 02-23-2018, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Do you own the video of the celebrity too or is that stolen content?

There are plenty of celebrity photos in the public domain, so use of them shouldn't be considered stolen. It would be interesting to see what a judge would say about the combination of public domain celebrity images AI merged with one's own video content.

2MuchMark · 02-23-2018, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy

There are plenty of celebrity photos in the public domain,

Like who?

blackmonsters · 02-23-2018, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy

There are plenty of celebrity photos in the public domain, so use of them shouldn't be considered stolen. It would be interesting to see what a judge would say about the combination of public domain celebrity images AI merged with one's own video content.

The judge would say "do you want the top or bottom bunk?"

blackmonsters · 02-23-2018, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Like who?

Don't argue with "copyright benders" because they don't get it until the cock is all the way up Kim Dotcom's ass.

InfoGuy · 02-23-2018, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Like who?

Go to Wikipedia.org and pick your favorite celebrity.

InfoGuy · 02-23-2018, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Don't argue with "copyright benders" because they don't get it until the cock is all the way up Kim Dotcom's ass.

I'm not putting my neck on the chopping block, but Manwin/Mindgeek took plenty of liberties using others' copyrighted content and got away with it.

blackmonsters · 02-23-2018, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy

I'm not putting my neck on the chopping block, but Manwin/Mindgeek took plenty of liberties using others' copyrighted content and got away with it.

And plenty of people got away with murder but it's still illegal.

Bladewire · 02-23-2018, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy

I'm not putting my neck on the chopping block, but Manwin/Mindgeek took plenty of liberties using others' copyrighted content and got away with it.

Yeah Manwin/Mindgeek sent out a release saying they're banning deep fakes because it's non consensual content.

But my stolen content on porn hub is not consensual what the fuck are they doing about that? They aren't banning it because it sure as fuck keeps popping up every fucking week after being removed.

InfoGuy · 02-23-2018, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

And plenty of people got away with murder but it's still illegal.

The legality of AI created content is still yet to be determined. There are legitimate arguments on both sides.

2MuchMark · 02-23-2018, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Go to Wikipedia.org and pick your favorite celebrity.

Just because a persons picture appears on Wikipedia or others like IMDB doesn't mean it is in the public domain.

In order for you to use a picture of anyone for your own business or even in content you generate yourself, you have to have permission to do so, and usually that means paying for the rights to use that image.

This is true in just about every circumstance. Even a photograph of a person in a movie, where that person did not even act, must be paid for. Any time there is a sound or a sample that is used in any song, that sound or sample has been or should have been paid for too. Look up copyright law to know more about how this works, and about exceptions, etc.

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy

I'm not putting my neck on the chopping block, but Manwin/Mindgeek took plenty of liberties using others' copyrighted content and got away with it.

If you distribute any content without permission or rights to do so, you are asking for lots of legal trouble.

But don't take my word for it, just ask your lawyer.

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Yeah Manwin/Mindgeek sent out a release saying they're banning deep fakes because it's non consensual content.

Probably a very smart move by Mindgeek. I'm pretty sure they woudn't want to get into a legal battle with Disney or Universal or MGM.

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

But my stolen content on porn hub is not consensual what the fuck are they doing about that? They aren't banning it because it sure as fuck keeps popping up every fucking week after being removed.

That fucking sucks. You would think that tube sites would have wanted to work with content creators to get a better handle on this by now.

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy

The legality of AI created content is still yet to be determined.

I don't think you understand how it works. AI "Created" content uses images scraped from Google Image Search. Go to Google Images and enter the name of your favourite celeb, and you will get their images. Find the right angle and images you want and copy-paste them onto a single frame of a video you like, then do it again for the next frame. Lather, rinse, repeat. "Deep Fake" does this and repeats this step thousands of times, with a little filter and cropping thrown in.

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There are legitimate arguments on both sides.

Really? Do share.

ZENRA · 02-23-2018, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Catalyst

Really it is 2 questions.

are deepfake legal?

Deepfakes could be seen as derivative works.
Makes you wonder how they may proliferate if a legal case involving one is dismissed because of this.

mce · 02-23-2018, 06:57 PM

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InfoGuy · 02-23-2018, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Just because a persons picture appears on Wikipedia or others like IMDB doesn't mean it is in the public domain.

In order for you to use a picture of anyone for your own business or even in content you generate yourself, you have to have permission to do so, and usually that means paying for the rights to use that image.

This is true in just about every circumstance. Even a photograph of a person in a movie, where that person did not even act, must be paid for. Any time there is a sound or a sample that is used in any song, that sound or sample has been or should have been paid for too. Look up copyright law to know more about how this works, and about exceptions, etc.

There are plenty of files on Wikipedia with the following licensing terms:

Quote:

This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic license.

You are free:

to share ? to copy, distribute and transmit the work
to remix ? to adapt the work

Under the following conditions:

attribution ? You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work).

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Really? Do share.

See link posted by DBS.US in post #7 above.

dillfly2000 · 02-23-2018, 09:32 PM

Should be legal.

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