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Old 07-12-2018, 05:54 PM   #1
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Why not leave NATO?

The US does not need to protect Europe any longer. Why not let them protect themselves. What does the US gain from this arrangement?

We leave and save tons of money. We could drop the size of military by 50%. We would have a balanced budget overnight. Welcome to the new Clinton era type boom.

PS they are on the US platform as far as weapons go so sales would be robust until they developed their own.

Just as a practical idea what use is NATO? The US invaded Russia once but I don’t think they have ever attacked the US.
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Why does Putin want NATO disbanded?

The answer to that question is the reason not to leave NATO.

The answer is @ 2:39 here courtesy Fox news 2 years ago



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Sorry dude, I can’t see your stuff. Give up the fake posts. Just my opinion.
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Your apology is accepted. Your ignorance is bliss I'm sure, though you seem confused & severely uneducated about NATO.
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NATO was originally created to defend Europe from the Soviet Union (and so on). However, this has changed in the past two decades. While you can still argue Europe needs to be defending from Russia, the truth is it was Europe who has come to the defense of the United States and assisted us in both Iraq and Afghanistan. At the same, the United States needs bases in Europe in order to continue to operate in certain areas.
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NATO was originally created to defend Europe from the Soviet Union (and so on). However, this has changed in the past two decades. While you can still argue Europe needs to be defending from Russia, the truth is it was Europe who has come to the defense of the United States and assisted us in both Iraq and Afghanistan. At the same, the United States needs bases in Europe in order to continue to operate in certain areas.
Current day, Russia has invaded Crimea & the Ukraine, the EU NATO blockade to the West is the only thing stopping him from expanding further and invading other countries.



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NATO was originally created to defend Europe from the Soviet Union (and so on). However, this has changed in the past two decades. While you can still argue Europe needs to be defending from Russia, the truth is it was Europe who has come to the defense of the United States and assisted us in both Iraq and Afghanistan. At the same, the United States needs bases in Europe in order to continue to operate in certain areas.
Wasn’t that as part of the U.N. actions versus a NATO action? They would still do that.
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The bases I get but that would allow us to back off on some of our dumber moves. By that I mean Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Trump is pro oil industry he'll never move off Iraq or Afghanistan.



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mostly because europeans do not take their own security seriously. anyone in this debate should already know that.

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Current day, Russia has invaded Crimea & the Ukraine, the EU NATO blockade to the West is the only thing stopping him from expanding further and invading other countries.



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Nukes keep peace. Russia couldn’t take over the Ukraine. They can not take and hold Europe.
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Sure, but not under the expense of the United States.
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The US does not need to protect Europe any longer. Why not let them protect themselves. What does the US gain from this arrangement?

We leave and save tons of money. We could drop the size of military by 50%. We would have a balanced budget overnight. Welcome to the new Clinton era type boom.

PS they are on the US platform as far as weapons go so sales would be robust until they developed their own.

Just as a practical idea what use is NATO? The US invaded Russia once but I don’t think they have ever attacked the US.
Thanks for showing that you are exactly like Donald Trump. A one-dimensional thinker.

Are you so arrogant that you think NATO is just some bunch of countries suckling on the mighty teat of the great and powerful United States? Arrangements with allies have benefits that go in different directions. Donald Trump views NATO as he views trade...it's a zero-sum game with a winner and a loser. But that's not how the world works. Most people (and hopefully you) enter relationships for mutual benefit at the very least.

Are these concepts your mongoloid brain can grasp?

The bottom line is: If Putin wants it, then it can't be a good thing. But isn't he your hero? You should go suck his nuts if you love him so much.
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Nukes keep peace. Russia couldn’t take over the Ukraine. They can not take and hold Europe.
I am not so sure of that. While I don't think too highly of the Russian military, I believe they are a bit more capable of what they are doing in Ukraine right now. It's not a full invasion, but instead "irregular forces" and not many in numbers. They are trying to play it off it like it isn't Russian troops when it's painfully obvious it is. This kind of shit might have worked twenty years ago, but now now when satellites (government, military, and civilian) can track military vehicles from their military base in Russia all the way to Ukraine.
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this whole protection racket is bullshit run by the US arms lobby...you can now invade a country over complete lies, kill off 500.000 people and nobody will go to jail...

this bullshit needs to stop and people need to nuke and bacteria up...

when the invader government starts making plans about invasion you just go like "oooooops nuclear countdown motherfuckers" and the invader stays home...when the invader government thinks you should jump through their hoops and they start planning economic terrorism you just be like "ooooooops nuclear countdown motherfuckers" and the invader finds somebody else to oppress...


as long as there are weak countries the invader will invade...
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What does the US gain from this arrangement?
correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't europe still the united states' main ally?
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We leave and save tons of money. We could drop the size of military by 50%. We would have a balanced budget overnight..
You think the US defence co's would allow you to drop spending? Too many people get rich to allow that.
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The US does not need to protect Europe any longer. Why not let them protect themselves. What does the US gain from this arrangement?

We leave and save tons of money. We could drop the size of military by 50%. We would have a balanced budget overnight. Welcome to the new Clinton era type boom.

PS they are on the US platform as far as weapons go so sales would be robust until they developed their own.

Just as a practical idea what use is NATO? The US invaded Russia once but I don’t think they have ever attacked the US.
Actually that's a very good ideea. US should GTFO from NAto and from Europe aswell ( all those military bases) In this way you will have a lot more money to invade other countries for the sake of "democracy and freedom"> not that oil and/or natural resources would matter. Right?
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I am not so sure of that. While I don't think too highly of the Russian military, I believe they are a bit more capable of what they are doing in Ukraine right now. It's not a full invasion, but instead "irregular forces" and not many in numbers. They are trying to play it off it like it isn't Russian troops when it's painfully obvious it is. This kind of shit might have worked twenty years ago, but now now when satellites (government, military, and civilian) can track military vehicles from their military base in Russia all the way to Ukraine.
The old satélites have an issue in that a lot of the citizens were Russian by origin. The Crimea has a large population of people that identify as Russian. They speak Russian in their day to day. The Baltic’s have a similar issue. Not sure of percentages there.
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correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't europe still the united states' main ally?
And I don’t think that would need to change. We would also have mutual protection treaties etc. I am just not sure why this special arrangment with tons of exercises needed to still exist.
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Actually that's a very good ideea. US should GTFO from NAto and from Europe aswell ( all those military bases) In this way you will have a lot more money to invade other countries for the sake of "democracy and freedom"> not that oil and/or natural resources would matter. Right?
I was hoping we could save the money and maybe leave some little guys alone for awhile.
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Just change "protect" on "occupation". And you will understand.
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The US does not need to protect Europe any longer. Why not let them protect themselves. What does the US gain from this arrangement?

We leave and save tons of money. We could drop the size of military by 50%. We would have a balanced budget overnight. Welcome to the new Clinton era type boom.

PS they are on the US platform as far as weapons go so sales would be robust until they developed their own.

Just as a practical idea what use is NATO? The US invaded Russia once but I don’t think they have ever attacked the US.
you fool...

the US doesn´t protect Europe, being over here in Europe makes it more control for you.

There´s so many US air bases in the UK, France, well, every country in the world, keeping you on the ball and secure.

Welcoming you to leave, the world can just get on with enjoying the day to day life we want to live with out war.
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Thanks for showing that you are exactly like Donald Trump. A one-dimensional thinker.

Are you so arrogant that you think NATO is just some bunch of countries suckling on the mighty teat of the great and powerful United States? Arrangements with allies have benefits that go in different directions. Donald Trump views NATO as he views trade...it's a zero-sum game with a winner and a loser. But that's not how the world works. Most people (and hopefully you) enter relationships for mutual benefit at the very least.

Are these concepts your mongoloid brain can grasp?

The bottom line is: If Putin wants it, then it can't be a good thing. But isn't he your hero? You should go suck his nuts if you love him so much.
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The old satélites have an issue in that a lot of the citizens were Russian by origin. The Crimea has a large population of people that identify as Russian. They speak Russian in their day to day. The Baltic’s have a similar issue. Not sure of percentages there.
I honestly don't have a problem with Crimea being part of Russia. Most of the citizens there consider themselves Russian. However, it's completely different with Ukraine.
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I honestly don't have a problem with Crimea being part of Russia. Most of the citizens there consider themselves Russian. However, it's completely different with Ukraine.
Notice he goes from "why not leave NATO" to "What's wrong with invading neighboring countries?"
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I honestly don't have a problem with Crimea being part of Russia. Most of the citizens there consider themselves Russian. However, it's completely different with Ukraine.
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Notice he goes from "why not leave NATO" to "What's wrong with invading neighboring countries?"
All that happened in Ukraine - it is made in USA = successful provocation.
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Notice he goes from "why not leave NATO" to "What's wrong with invading neighboring countries?"
and the day before his big answer was "Cut NATO to 1% of GDP"



which is it?
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and the day before his big answer was "Cut NATO to 1% of GDP"
which is it?
1% not enough, USA occupied the new country in Europe now - and Ukrainians like eat often and not pay for himself
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1% not enough, USA occupied the new country in Europe now - and Ukrainians like eat often and not pay for himself
if euros didn't start world wars, killing and murdering 10s of millions of people, the USA wouldn't need to babysit europe.
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If you agree with Chump and think the US should pull out of NATO, just google "what did NATO do after 9/11" and see if you still agree.
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if euros didn't start world wars, killing and murdering 10s of millions of people, the USA wouldn't need to babysit europe.
babysitter start to drink alcohol and fight with neighbors. kids have already grown up complete, but she does not want to go away and ask for more wage. because she kidnaps the neighbor's kid. about the incidents with an attempt to broke the gas stove we even not talk
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babysitter start to drink alcohol and fight with neighbors. kids have already grown up complete, but she does not want to go away and ask for more wage. because she kidnaps the neighbor's kid. about the incidents with an attempt to broke the gas stove we even not talk
heads up: eu is imploding. just like all through history, euros can't get along.
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Thanks for showing that you are exactly like Donald Trump. A one-dimensional thinker.

Are you so arrogant that you think NATO is just some bunch of countries suckling on the mighty teat of the great and powerful United States? Arrangements with allies have benefits that go in different directions. Donald Trump views NATO as he views trade...it's a zero-sum game with a winner and a loser. But that's not how the world works. Most people (and hopefully you) enter relationships for mutual benefit at the very least.

Are these concepts your mongoloid brain can grasp?

The bottom line is: If Putin wants it, then it can't be a good thing. But isn't he your hero? You should go suck his nuts if you love him so much.
You're another one that talks but says nothing.

NATO was organized in 1949 for security over the Soviets due a series of events including Stalin's Atomic Bomb testing- and later, the 1950s Soviet Union and China treaty which contained other agreements including talks of Japans aggression. That turned out to be a big schmooze but, the East didn't know what was contained in that PRC / Soviet 'treaty' between Zedong and Stalin.

My point is, there is no more Cold War. With today's technology, there is no such thing as a secret meeting. If it's detected that troops are advancing, we'll know within minutes.

The United States is the 22 percent financial backbone of NATO-- as our NATO allies are paying NATO % rates based from 1952. If you do not see anything wrong with other NATO allies paying a 1952 rate, then you need to have your head examined.

Trump can't be bothered with NATO as Obama couldn't be bothered. Either Obama would sit and read his iPAD during NATO talks or he would let the U.S. Ambassador to NATO handle NATO.

The United States does not need to be involved in NATO just to keep a eye on Terrorist Cells (Who we already have Intel on) or loosing sleep because Putin may advance his troops.
Israel has already told the United States not to become involved with the Israel / Iran feud.

NATO, why ?

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If a flare up occurs around those man made islands in the South China Sea maybe then the doubters would change their minds.

History would end up repeating itself. There would be some kind of incursion by another large power, like what has happened in Ukraine, trying to take over countries one by one. Sooner or later it would trigger another all out war in Europe.

Much better keeping up the deterrent, we all share similar values.
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We are better "alone" as you say. We always have. SInce the time when in Europe we had civilization while in US just like 200 years ago people were still living in tents and caves praying to wind and rain or whatever the fuck it was
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