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Old 03-19-2019, 06:29 AM   #1
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:stoned So a law from 1604 might decide about how the Brexit thing will end up...

Amusing, you might say.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47614074

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Theresa May has negotiated the withdrawal deal with the EU but it must also be agreed by MPs.

They have voted against it twice, and the government has been considering a third attempt to get it through Parliament.

Mr Bercow cited a convention dating back to 1604 that a defeated motion could not be brought back in the same form during the course of a parliamentary session.

He said the second vote on the prime minister's deal last week was "in order" as it was substantially different to the first, but any further votes must pass the "test" he set out to be allowed.
Thing is: EU would not allow any other deal to be submitted than the one that was negotiated for two years now.

Which leaves two options - no deal (which was just denied by the parliament but legally they wouldn't be bound to it) or a delay (which all 27 EU members would have to agree to - which they only would do if anything substantial was presented by the UK)

Meanwhile Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson are still paid by taxpayers but fucked off from their responsibilties for this mess.

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Fingers crossed it all stumbles into a no-deal
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Fingers crossed it all stumbles into a no-deal
it would definitely be something for the history books
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Those English and their old laws and rules:

Not too many years ago an Oxford student NOT prepared for an exam, refused to sit for it, because ( as the rule from 1600s stated) he did not get a free pint of warm dark beer...

A few days later he came back to sit his exam, but was flunked because he did not wear his sword ( as another rule from 1600s stipulated)

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British government and Brexiteers: A second referendum (after 2 years of negotiations and after now everyone becoming aware what the consequences would be) is totally out of question, you cannot vote until the result pleases the dark overlords from Brussels.

Also the British government and Brexiteers to its own parliament: Here's the same deal you denied two times, please change your opinion when you vote for the third time.


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Another fine mess the right wing retards have gotten yet another country into..
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It's a clusterfuck all governments are inept, corrupt and only care about themselves. I was born in London but im glad i left there in 95. England is in a downward spiral
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The problem we have is although the majority of the country voted to leave, the majority of our MPs want to remain including our PM. It's the same whether they are on the left or right. Jeremy Corbyn is an out and out Eurosceptic but he's too weak and feeble to stand up for what he really believes because he thinks it will lose him support.

And 99% of our MPs are so incompetent they haven't realized that if they don't want us to leave in 10 days time, they have to change the law.
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one of the number one Brexiteers back in 2011:



completely reasonable (as far as that word has any connection to Brexit)

why not now?
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I haven't been following this at all but I just don't get it. I don't know why it's so hard.
The people voted out of the EU.

Why can't the UK just leave the damn EU, why are they arguing about.

Sorry for the stupid question.
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The magic beans will grow any day now...pauls meager UK pension is enough for a can of beans...
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Why can't the UK just leave the damn EU
The will of the people conflicts with banking interests.
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I haven't been following this at all but I just don't get it. I don't know why it's so hard.
The people voted out of the EU.

Why can't the UK just leave the damn EU, why are they arguing about.

Sorry for the stupid question.
in short words: they want out because they do not want to carry the obligations of a community . but they want out so that they still get the benefits of the community.

brexit is also a pharse because only england and wales voted for it. and also because only the rural areas - london and other big cities voted for the rest by a large majority - as well as scotland and northern ireland.

actually they don't know exactly what they want and when may pushed the brexit button when she officially declared her resignation she didn't even know what the parliament wants.

in addition, even the last fool in GB knows that the whole campaign was built on lies, that even have been admitted right after the brexit vote.
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I haven't been following this at all but I just don't get it. I don't know why it's so hard.
The people voted out of the EU.

Why can't the UK just leave the damn EU, why are they arguing about.

Sorry for the stupid question.
If you want anarchy - no problem.

otherwise: 40 years of interweaving laws, trade, relations etc you cannot cut off without severe consequences.

Just one example cause I live in a student city: Erasmus exchanges between CZ and UK were pretty popular - that would be immediately over.

Been to Scotland several times - lots of infrastructure projects, marine preservation, etc have a big sign saying "Paid by EU". I am very curious if they will receive the same funding in the future.

But one thing is sure: the first Brit that compains about anything after Brexit I will troll relentlessly.
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that is because there are too many people that are as stupid as you and fall for lies on the internet.
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that is because there are too many people that are as stupid as you and fall for lies on the internet.
I saw the things the EU tried to do here, things I didn’t like, corruption clear to see. I am not a fan of communism and I like my representatives closer to home, those are facts, no Internet lies required.

If you like the EU then good, you can have it, but over here we can’t stand it, the way they do things is not the British way.
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If you want anarchy - no problem.

otherwise: 40 years of interweaving laws, trade, relations etc you cannot cut off without severe consequences.

Just one example cause I live in a student city: Erasmus exchanges between CZ and UK were pretty popular - that would be immediately over.

Been to Scotland several times - lots of infrastructure projects, marine preservation, etc have a big sign saying "Paid by EU". I am very curious if they will receive the same funding in the future.

But one thing is sure: the first Brit that compains about anything after Brexit I will troll relentlessly.
UK was paying thay money to the EU in the first place, then some smaller amount was being handed back for projects
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The main reason for Brexit is to return power to the UK. Power that has been slowly whittled away in the EU's march toward complete domination of Europe.

There's no reason for the EU. Trade agreements can be reached without the EU, partnerships between countries can be reached without the EU. Stefan's example of university Erasmus exchanges can be done without the EU. One would imagine the EU was the only place in the world that has such partnerships and trade deals. Which is bullshit.

Europeans are able to work around the world, finance, trade, business works around the world, I'm posting online a medium that stretches the globe, I emigrated to Czech before the Czech joined the EU. My Brother and parents to America, my Uncle and cousin to Canada without any help of the EU.

The only thing the EU has given us is a level of government that's now removed from the democratic process of the people who are paying for it. When the UK leaves it countries like Germany will have to fork out more money to keep their failed scheme alive. Because the small dependant States will now dominate the richer contributing States by a wide margin.

https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-one-b...ors-eu-budget/



Germans have been deluded into thinking they will dominate Europe by ruling the EU. How wrong they are, all they will dominate is paying the bills.
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and there you have it folks....did not finish high school paul markham gives his opinion on global politics...paul and his meager meager pension
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Been to Scotland several times - lots of infrastructure projects, marine preservation, etc have a big sign saying "Paid by EU". I am very curious if they will receive the same funding in the future.
And where do you think that money came from in the first place? The magic money tree?

If we're going to spend money on infrastructure we want it to be for the benefit of the UK economy, not for EU vanity projects.
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they do not want to carry the obligations of a community.
Bit like Germany and NATO?
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Everyone knows that the conservatives are basically split, but labour could solve this easy, and they wont.

And the DUP are just pathetic.

Best bet would be labour dump Corbin and push for an election.

UK politicians are incapable of sorting anything out.
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Brexit is a matter for the British people.

They helped defeat the eebil Nazis. They don't deserve to be eternally shamed.
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And where do you think that money came from in the first place? The magic money tree?

If we're going to spend money on infrastructure we want it to be for the benefit of the UK economy, not for EU vanity projects.
The EU is now funding road repairs in Czech. Thank you EU.
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They helped defeat the eebil Nazis. They don't deserve to be eternally shamed.
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Everyone knows that the conservatives are basically split, but labour could solve this easy, and they wont.

And the DUP are just pathetic.

Best bet would be labour dump Corbin and push for an election.

UK politicians are incapable of sorting anything out.
Corbyn is #1 at protesting. https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...-in-parliament

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During the last Labour government, Mr Corbyn — then a backbench MP — rebelled some 428 times against his party’s leadership in parliamentary votes.
He's even voted against anti-terror legislation. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...r-legislation/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...rror-laws.html

Now all he's interested in is keeping power, a general election would see him wiped out. Assuming he's up against someone decent, so not May. His policies of spend, spend, spend would result in the debt Greece now faces, made worse by an exodus of big business and billionaires who will not pay the taxes he wants them to.

May should call off Brexit, her deal will make it worse for the UK. Resign and let a new leader call a general election led by a fighter. Who will reintroduce Article 50 and leave with or without a deal. Freedom is worth paying for.
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I think there's a good chance May will resign on 30th March.
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And where do you think that money came from in the first place? The magic money tree?

If we're going to spend money on infrastructure we want it to be for the benefit of the UK economy, not for EU vanity projects.
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“The UK Government will spend about £809 billion this year, and less than 2% of this goes to the EU,” said map makers John Lees-Miller, Hope Thomas, Kiyana Katebi and Andrew Weeks.
Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/what...ne-for-us-map/

Some more facts:
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-m...ee-55-million/

Net contribution 9 billion pounds - from a total annual budget in 2018 of 800 billion pounds - that's 1,125%.

Now tell me in all honesty: If the UK government wanted to rebuilt your infrastructure to benefit your own ecenomy - do those "missing" 1,125% make that impossible?


Seriously: At what point will you, Paul and all the other brexiteers admit that you have been duped by a bunch of assclowns and a red bus?


And I am not even starting on how the net contributions of the wealthy (yes, wealthy) countries like Germany, UK, France etc built the economy in the poor countries like previously Spain, Portugal etc and nowadays Poland, Czech Rep., Slovakia etc so that also UK companies can export into those markets (and thankfully to the EU with much less bureaucratic hassle).

How deranged do you have to be to give up on all this for a meager 1% of your annual budget?

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Let's repeat this until the last idiot gets it:

The UK leaves the EU to "get back control" over 1,125% of their annual budget.

Neither way they will be able to get rid of all immigrants - mainly because the largest percentage of them are Indian and Pakistani.

Out of 40 planned trade agreements until the end March 2019 6 actually happened - including such high class trade partners like Faroer Islands

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brex...29-march-2019/

And the chances of re-igniting the conflicts at the Irish border have massively risen (not that anyone came up yet with a solution for that... Paul? other Brexit fanatics? Bueller? Anyone?)

It sounds like a Monty Python piece - unfortunately it is not.

And now April 12 or May 22 - depending on what the clowns can come up with.
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Let's repeat this until the last idiot gets it:

The UK leaves the EU to "get back control" over 1,125% of their annual budget.

Neither way they will be able to get rid of all immigrants - mainly because the largest percentage of them are Indian and Pakistani.

Out of 40 planned trade agreements until the end March 2019 6 actually happened - including such high class trade partners like Faroer Islands

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brex...29-march-2019/

And the chances of re-igniting the conflicts at the Irish border have massively risen (not that anyone came up yet with a solution for that... Paul? other Brexit fanatics? Bueller? Anyone?)

It sounds like a Monty Python piece - unfortunately it is not.

And now April 12 or May 22 - depending on what the clowns can come up with.
i am near to bet that a second referendum will take place.

politicians do not know what they want and polls show that people have changed their minds massivly. on top of that there is a high risk that scotland and northern ireland will leave the UK after a brexit.

all that speaks for a new referendum. otherwise people will follow the big companies.
1,2 TRILLION pound left the UK already.

brits don´t want to understand that they have been fooled by multi billionairs. their one and only goal is to make a tax oasis out of britain. the big founders of the leave campiagn have already left britain and wit til they can make the same there as cyprus did.
good for the rich - but the normal people will be fucked.
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summed up perfectly, nothing to add
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summed up perfectly, nothing to add
at least some people in britain understand what´s going on...
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The EU is now funding road repairs in Czech. Thank you EU.
YOU should not use them - they are not for british refugees who support the brexit but enjoy the roads that are EU funded
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Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/what...ne-for-us-map/

Some more facts:
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-m...ee-55-million/

Net contribution 9 billion pounds - from a total annual budget in 2018 of 800 billion pounds - that's 1,125%.

Now tell me in all honesty: If the UK government wanted to rebuilt your infrastructure to benefit your own ecenomy - do those "missing" 1,125% make that impossible?


Seriously: At what point will you, Paul and all the other brexiteers admit that you have been duped by a bunch of assclowns and a red bus?


And I am not even starting on how the net contributions of the wealthy (yes, wealthy) countries like Germany, UK, France etc built the economy in the poor countries like previously Spain, Portugal etc and nowadays Poland, Czech Rep., Slovakia etc so that also UK companies can export into those markets (and thankfully to the EU with much less bureaucratic hassle).

How deranged do you have to be to give up on all this for a meager 1% of your annual budget?

Why will you not accept that Brits and probably most of Europe want to rule themselves and not by some centralist bureaucracy?
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Let's repeat this until the last idiot gets it:

The UK leaves the EU to "get back control" over 1,125% of their annual budget.

Neither way they will be able to get rid of all immigrants - mainly because the largest percentage of them are Indian and Pakistani.

Out of 40 planned trade agreements until the end March 2019 6 actually happened - including such high class trade partners like Faroer Islands

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brex...29-march-2019/

And the chances of re-igniting the conflicts at the Irish border have massively risen (not that anyone came up yet with a solution for that... Paul? other Brexit fanatics? Bueller? Anyone?)

It sounds like a Monty Python piece - unfortunately it is not.

And now April 12 or May 22 - depending on what the clowns can come up with.
Why will you not accept that Brits and probably most of Europe want to rule themselves and not by some centralist bureaucracy?
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Why will you not accept that Brits and probably most of Europe want to rule themselves and not by some centralist bureaucracy?
Name things that the EU rules over you and against your will and that affect your life negatively personally.

And that will be "better" after Brexit and that are worth giving up EU membership for.

I'm listening.
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PS: I hope you watched the video, you are mentioned in there.
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Name things that the EU rules over you and against your will and that affect your life negatively personally.

And that will be "better" after Brexit and that are worth giving up EU membership for.

I'm listening.
how can you expect an answer from someone that does not even know what the EU is and what it is made for.

paul does not even realize the britain´s GDP DOUBLED UP in the time between joining the EU and the referendum.
but the 76 € per head and year for this effect is too expensive for morons like paul. (ntw. Germany pays double as much per head and year)

how many times did he prove here that he have ZERO knowledge about economy ?
he will not change - no matter what you ask him. dumb is dumb. there´s no medicine against that.
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Why is this your business, OP?

It's not your country. Keep your inter-generational shame to yourself.
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how can you expect an answer from someone that does not even know what the EU is and what it is made for.

paul does not even realize the britain´s GDP DOUBLED UP in the time between joining the EU and the referendum.
but the 76 € per head and year for this effect is too expensive for morons like paul. (ntw. Germany pays double as much per head and year)

how many times did he prove here that he have ZERO knowledge about economy ?
he will not change - no matter what you ask him. dumb is dumb. there´s no medicine against that.
A guy I met in Scotland keeps posting the same nonsense on his Facebook - blaming the EU for almost anything and whenever I look into it, it turns out it's just the UK government that is shite.

They are good at one thing though: shifting the blame for their incompetence.
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A guy I met in Scotland keeps posting the same nonsense on his Facebook - blaming the EU for almost anything and whenever I look into it, it turns out it's just the UK government that is shite.

They are good at one thing though: shifting the blame for their incompetence.
true !

and normally nobody should care when they jump from the cliff..
but unfortunately there are millions of brits who know what´s going on. i feel really sorry for them that they must run the rules made from complete, unskilled idiots, brainwashed with lies and populist nonsense.

i often ask my self what would happen if we split the world in 2 parts and let the idiots have the other half. I think in less than 20 years we would have this part also because they wiped each other out.
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Name things that the EU rules over you and against your will and that affect your life negatively personally.

And that will be "better" after Brexit and that are worth giving up EU membership for.

I'm listening.
Migration, illegal migration, Court of Justice of the European Union , trade negotiations, Inefficient policies, Problems of the Euro, More bureaucracy less democracy, Leaving Is A Problem, Takes Power From Governments, Serves The Interest As A Whole, Not A Country, Schengen treaty, unable to fix problems, food prices.

The real reason is there's no need for the EU. The EU has done nothing that other countries haven't or can't do better without handing power over to a centralist bureaucracy.
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A guy I met in Scotland keeps posting the same nonsense on his Facebook - blaming the EU for almost anything and whenever I look into it, it turns out it's just the UK government that is shite.

They are good at one thing though: shifting the blame for their incompetence.
Do tell us about the incompetence ofthe British Government.

Name me some thing the EU has done that non-EU countries haven't or can't do.

In the 25 years of being in the EU the wage of the working classes and lower middle classes have plummeted. The Euro is a complete mess with no solution insight, even though it's an unmitigated disaster Czech is still pressured to join.

And the EU is still passing more and more legislation on it's way to rule from the centre.

So again I ask you what has the EU done for you that could not have been achieved prior to it's creation?

And Thommy is so stupid he doesn't know the Common Market is responsible for some of the UK growth. https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7851

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UK imports from the EU were £341 billion (53% of all UK imports). ... The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£67 billion with the EU in 2017. A surplus of £28 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of -£95 billion on trade in goods. The UK had a trade surplus of £41 billion with non-EU countries.
You see dumb ass Thommy, the Common Market does well from the UK. Not only do we take your low skilled, non-skilled and unemployed migrants we buy more from the CM than we sell.
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“Re-located immigrant rather have decentralized bureaucracy”.

“Mr Markham rather sees himself ruled by Brits while relocated in CZ”

“Brits are so arrogant they even dont accept foreign rule when living overseas”.

“Brittish nationalist pensionadas who fled to the continent love britain so much that they spend their brittish money overseas”.
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Paul... most immigrants who moved to the UK since the EU were Europeans with a higher education than the local pale-turd-community. Thats how much UK government fucked up... In need of immigrants because of a lack of educated locals.
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