1989 Video from AT&T Labs "Pandora" project defeats Acacia patent claims! - Page 7 - GoFuckYourself.com

TDF · 10-15-2003, 07:53 PM

300 patents!

TheFLY · 10-15-2003, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
300 patents!

Can I hit it too?

FightThisPatent · 10-15-2003, 09:50 PM

awww... missed the top posting position....

Current Prior Art Search list: http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Searching.html

Found potential prior art (more to be added):
http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Squirt.html

Fight the Patent!

Greg B · 10-15-2003, 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by FightThisPatent
New area to search... i haven't updated my web page yet:

Articles in popular magazines like Scientific American, computer mags, etc.,. that were pubished before 1990, that talk about the future coming soon.. watching videos on demand, digital music to be downloaded from computers, convergence of entertainment and computers, etc.

These articles are not really prior art, but serve a purpose of showing to the court that there was a spirit of innovation going on before 1990 that was describing all the stuff that Acacia's patent describes..along with solid prior art audio or video, this is what nails the coffin in.

So, search out for articles that talk about this, and post it or email it to me.

Fight the Patent!

Okay came into this thread late, BUT if that's all you're looking for you should find a ton of data from sources I know of. Don't want to post em' here because it would get to the enemy.

In patent issues there's so much you have to go through and avoid. It can be a complex problem and sometimes not. I can provide you with leads to data I know is there by the tons but that's about all.

Bambi911xx · 10-15-2003, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by Bambi911xx
Not sure if this is useful or not but found it interesting anyways;-)

http://incolor.inebraska.com/bill_r/computalker.htm

Oringal page it came from http://incolor.inebraska.com/bill_r/historic_pubs.htm

http://www.stcarchiv.de/hc1987/images/iconjon.gif

Source page is if you understand german i think it is..http://www.stcarchiv.de/hc1987/01_iconjon.php3

http://www.jamesalanpatterson.com/amiga.html

That one link up there has some mags in it from back then...The Jamesalan one I think it is...mags are down on the bottom.
Amiga ads ect.

Bladewire · 10-15-2003, 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by Greg B

Okay came into this thread late, BUT if that's all you're looking for you should find a ton of data from sources I know of. Don't want to post em' here because it would get to the enemy.

In patent issues there's so much you have to go through and avoid. It can be a complex problem and sometimes not. I can provide you with leads to data I know is there by the tons but that's about all.

Greg Welcome aboard! Better late then never!

You can email any info privately to mailto:[email protected]

Thanks for the input and keep up the search! We are making a difference here and prior art is being found. Keep it up and thank you!

Far-L · 10-15-2003, 10:52 PM

Thanks Greg B!

I want to thank you all and tip my hat in respect!

tony286 · 10-15-2003, 10:58 PM

very interesting

sexeducation · 10-15-2003, 11:33 PM

Good job ...
now you guys are blogging together ...
very kewl ...

I hope, the people who have viewed the video [i have not] have made backups ...

I would have retaken this thread from those posting 50, and 100's by posting a "Coles Notes".

Whose to say - those being sourced are not informed? And 2% means an easy way out for them as well.

I really mean - I hope you guys are making backups.

FightThisPatent · 10-15-2003, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greg B

Okay came into this thread late, BUT if that's all you're looking for you should find a ton of data from sources I know of. Don't want to post em' here because it would get to the enemy.

Looking for alot of things actually as listed on the URL at the top of this page...always on the lookout for more audio and video examples that is just so in your face obvious that audio/video was made available prior to 1990....as well as documentable proof of its existance (ie. CDROM's, BBS logs)

if you have some pointers to text or items on the searching list, pass them on to me.... i like reading techie stuff as much as i do writing (and i write alot)

Fight the Patent!

Mr.Fiction · 10-15-2003, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greg B

Okay came into this thread late, BUT if that's all you're looking for you should find a ton of data from sources I know of. Don't want to post em' here because it would get to the enemy.

In patent issues there's so much you have to go through and avoid. It can be a complex problem and sometimes not. I can provide you with leads to data I know is there by the tons but that's about all.

sexeducation · 10-15-2003, 11:55 PM

Brandon ...
I would like to make a suggestion to your homepage ...

in the top right hand corner of the blue column ...

it says
"Prior Art now being published for all to see, learn, and contribute .."

change it to

"Prior Art PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED currently being listed for all to see, learn, and make their contributions." : )
and still link
Prior Art ...
to <a href="http://www.fightthispatent.com/v2/Squirt.html" target="_blank" >http://www.fightthispatent.com/v2/Squirt.html</A>

imo

[Edit - typo fixed : )]

sexeducation · 10-15-2003, 11:58 PM

ADDENDUM
<a href="http://www.fightthispatent.com" target="_blank" >FightThisPatent.com</A>

FightThisPatent · 10-16-2003, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bambi911xx

That one link up there has some mags in it from back then...The Jamesalan one I think it is...mags are down on the bottom.
Amiga ads ect.

great post.. i am sending emails to the owners of these webpages to see if they can lend a hand in finding prior art.

thanx!

Fight the Patent!

Greg B · 10-16-2003, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Squirtit

Greg Welcome aboard! Better late then never!

You can email any info privately to mailto:[email protected]

Thanks for the input and keep up the search! We are making a difference here and prior art is being found. Keep it up and thank you!

Thanks Brandon, I sent you an email and told you what I could. When I get some info back from you I'll kick it upstairs to the biggest boys in the media to see if they're hip to what's going on. Believe you me, if my guys didn't invent it I'll be very suprised.

FightThisPatent · 10-16-2003, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greg B

Thanks Brandon, I sent you an email and told you what I could. When I get some info back from you I'll kick it upstairs to the biggest boys in the media to see if they're hip to what's going on. Believe you me, if my guys didn't invent it I'll be very suprised.

I sent this to GregB, posting it here for others to see.. feel free to pass this short summary to other people... who may be sensitive to coming to an adult resource board:

Acacia Research (http://www.acaciatechnologies.com) has patents
(http://www.acaciatechnologies.com/patents.htm) on the following claims:

The process of storing compressed video in a libary for distribution over a distributed network (optionally at the request of the remote user)

My version of the summary is:

The process of downloading audio or video files from a server.

Prior art to invalidate Acacia's patent claim must have a date stamp prior to 1990. A digitized file (audio or video) needs to have been made available on a server (BBS, FTP) that multiple people had access to it, to download the file.

This is a list of prior art leads that i am chasing:
http://www.fighthepatent.com/v2/Searching.html

This is a sampling of prior art that i have posted so far:
http://www.fighthepatent.com/v2/Squirt.html

Fight the Patent!

FightThisPatent · 10-16-2003, 10:35 AM

I found this quote in a patent email-list that i subscribe to:

-------------------
If society allows patents in areas where cumulative innovation is the dominant mode of innovation, then new innovators end up carying the weight of the giants instead. This is because they need to license prior innovations before marketing their own innovation, and that expense grows exponentially with innovation generation for complex products.

(this is so simple you could put it on a T-shirt ;*)

See "Standing on the Shoulders of Giants: Cumulative Research and the
Patent Law", J. Economic Perspectives, Vol 5, winter 1991, p. 27-41
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~scotch/giants.pdf

---------------------------

This is my reply, reposted here for your reading:

This is so true of Acacia Research's 2nd round of wielding a patent claim... first round with V-Chip, they got knocked down, but that was before they got companies to spend MILLIONS of dollars on "licensing their patent".

Round 2 is where they are making the broad claim to owning the process to downloading of audio or video from a website.

Acacia's attorneys cite that 150+ other patents reference their patent, as if that was some form of validation for the patent... more like the other patent holders citing all possible prior art as required by USPTO.

But Acacia's patent claims are like claiming to have a patent on a ball. Others may have a patent on a red ball. In this example, Acacia won't sue the patent of a red ball, but will sue not only the manufacturer of the red ball for patent infringement, but also the toy store that carries the red ball, for contributory infringement.

Patent Law allows them to do this... this is clearly patent abuse.

In real terms, Acacia is suing websites that have audio or video on their website.. they have yet to target companies like Microsoft, Real, or Apple for infringement.. these targets would fight back and tie them up on court. Based upon their failed V-chip patent, but successful licensing campaign, it seems to be the business model to throw a patent and some infringement letters at comanies who use the "alleged infringed patent" to "convince" them to license their patents.. using things like an "amnesty" cut-off date, where retroactive infringement fees could be accessed.

Most websites don't have the money to pay $10k-$35k to do the initial legal dance, so they have no choice but to license the patent. The kicker here, is that in the event the patent is invalidated by companies who do challenge the patent, they DON"T GET THEIR MONEY back from the license.

This kind of stuff really gets to me, that's why I started FightThePatent.com and my hopes to extend that work to Fight the Patent Foundation.

This is the new, new,new, new economy with the new kind of business plan. Get patents, get people to license the patents and bet that most won't be able to fight it, and will just settle. For those that do fight it, it gets stuck in court for years, but in the mean time, they collect licensing fees and continue to "convince" companies to license the patent.

This is wrong!

Honez · 10-16-2003, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK
Imagine if you could find a perfect example of prior art, but it turned out to be a video of hardcore anal sex. How funny would that be?

FightThisPatent · 10-16-2003, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK

Imagine if you could find a perfect example of prior art, but it turned out to be a video of hardcore anal sex. How funny would that be?

already found it (tho, not hardcore anal)... porn GL file dating back to 1988.. .. the last issue is to just be able to verify the date...file date won't hold up in court since it can be manipulated...needing BBS logs or CDROM archive to validate it.. that's the main issue with finding these kinds of digital video or audio files.

If anyone is wondering why i don't post this video file on my prior art page at http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Squirt.html must not be reading any of these posts about Acacia.

Fight the Patent!

FightThisPatent · 10-17-2003, 06:12 AM

FiveEyes has found a great example of a FLI file with digital images!

Prior art page updated at: http://www.fighthepatent.com/v2/Squirt.html

Fight the Patent!

10-15-2003, 07:53 PM	#301
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	300 patents! __________________ Sig heil

10-15-2003, 09:50 PM	#303
FightThisPatent Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,090	awww... missed the top posting position.... Current Prior Art Search list: http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Searching.html Found potential prior art (more to be added): http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Squirt.html Fight the Patent! __________________ http://www.t3report.com (where's the traffic?) v5.0 is out! \| http://www.FightThePatent.com \| ICQ 52741957

10-15-2003, 10:52 PM	#307
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10-15-2003, 11:55 PM	#312
sexeducation So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Calgary - Alberta - Canada Posts: 7,315	Brandon ... I would like to make a suggestion to your homepage ... in the top right hand corner of the blue column ... it says "Prior Art now being published for all to see, learn, and contribute .." change it to "Prior Art PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED currently being listed for all to see, learn, and make their contributions." : ) and still link Prior Art ... to <a href="http://www.fightthispatent.com/v2/Squirt.html" target="_blank" >http://www.fightthispatent.com/v2/Squirt.html</A> imo [Edit - typo fixed : )] Last edited by sexeducation; 10-15-2003 at 11:59 PM..

10-16-2003, 10:35 AM	#317
FightThisPatent Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,090	I found this quote in a patent email-list that i subscribe to: ------------------- If society allows patents in areas where cumulative innovation is the dominant mode of innovation, then new innovators end up carying the weight of the giants instead. This is because they need to license prior innovations before marketing their own innovation, and that expense grows exponentially with innovation generation for complex products. (this is so simple you could put it on a T-shirt ;*) See "Standing on the Shoulders of Giants: Cumulative Research and the Patent Law", J. Economic Perspectives, Vol 5, winter 1991, p. 27-41 http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~scotch/giants.pdf --------------------------- This is my reply, reposted here for your reading: This is so true of Acacia Research's 2nd round of wielding a patent claim... first round with V-Chip, they got knocked down, but that was before they got companies to spend MILLIONS of dollars on "licensing their patent". Round 2 is where they are making the broad claim to owning the process to downloading of audio or video from a website. Acacia's attorneys cite that 150+ other patents reference their patent, as if that was some form of validation for the patent... more like the other patent holders citing all possible prior art as required by USPTO. But Acacia's patent claims are like claiming to have a patent on a ball. Others may have a patent on a red ball. In this example, Acacia won't sue the patent of a red ball, but will sue not only the manufacturer of the red ball for patent infringement, but also the toy store that carries the red ball, for contributory infringement. Patent Law allows them to do this... this is clearly patent abuse. In real terms, Acacia is suing websites that have audio or video on their website.. they have yet to target companies like Microsoft, Real, or Apple for infringement.. these targets would fight back and tie them up on court. Based upon their failed V-chip patent, but successful licensing campaign, it seems to be the business model to throw a patent and some infringement letters at comanies who use the "alleged infringed patent" to "convince" them to license their patents.. using things like an "amnesty" cut-off date, where retroactive infringement fees could be accessed. Most websites don't have the money to pay $10k-$35k to do the initial legal dance, so they have no choice but to license the patent. The kicker here, is that in the event the patent is invalidated by companies who do challenge the patent, they DON"T GET THEIR MONEY back from the license. This kind of stuff really gets to me, that's why I started FightThePatent.com and my hopes to extend that work to Fight the Patent Foundation. This is the new, new,new, new economy with the new kind of business plan. Get patents, get people to license the patents and bet that most won't be able to fight it, and will just settle. For those that do fight it, it gets stuck in court for years, but in the mean time, they collect licensing fees and continue to "convince" companies to license the patent. This is wrong! __________________ http://www.t3report.com (where's the traffic?) v5.0 is out! \| http://www.FightThePatent.com \| ICQ 52741957

10-15-2003, 10:58 PM	#308
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	very interesting

10-15-2003, 11:33 PM	#309
sexeducation So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Calgary - Alberta - Canada Posts: 7,315	Good job ... now you guys are blogging together ... very kewl ... I hope, the people who have viewed the video [i have not] have made backups ... I would have retaken this thread from those posting 50, and 100's by posting a "Coles Notes". Whose to say - those being sourced are not informed? And 2% means an easy way out for them as well. I really mean - I hope you guys are making backups.

10-15-2003, 11:58 PM	#313
sexeducation So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Calgary - Alberta - Canada Posts: 7,315	ADDENDUM <a href="http://www.fightthispatent.com" target="_blank" >FightThisPatent.com</A>

10-17-2003, 06:12 AM	#320
FightThisPatent Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,090	FiveEyes has found a great example of a FLI file with digital images! Prior art page updated at: http://www.fighthepatent.com/v2/Squirt.html Fight the Patent! __________________ http://www.t3report.com (where's the traffic?) v5.0 is out! \| http://www.FightThePatent.com \| ICQ 52741957