ripoff vendor alert: Jolene Devil

[carpocratian]

I feel that it's only fair to warn others on here about Jolene Devil's business practices.

I ordered a content set from Jolene Devil back in July. After experiencing a lot of problems with the download links she provided, I paid her extra to send me a hard drive, while still hasn't arrived. Since then, she has only responded to my emails a couple of times, always promising to send the drive within a few days. She has never sent it, and no longer responds to queries.

[desmoines]

same experience here

[myleene]

Did you talk to the real Jolene ([email protected])?

jola[email protected] (with an "a") is a scammer impersonating her.

She was a really fun and sweet girl to chat with when I talked to her. I can't believe she may have turned to the dark side. Confirm and reply.

[carpocratian]

Yep, I emailed back and forth with the real one (same email address you provided). She seemed very nice, but kept promising to send me the content on a hard drive and never did, and then quit communicating at all.

She had a lot of excuses, and I was very patient and friendly with her, but at this point it is obvious that she's running a scam.

[NaughtyRob]

I don't think she is running a scam. I ordered content from her and while it took a long time to complete and she had excuses, she did finish it recently. Contact her again.

[carpocratian]

No delivery in almost 6 months counts as a scam to me. When did you finally receive yours?

[marlboroack]

She scammed me out of 800$.. sent her or her husband the money via paxum and got 0 content.
She said someone was pretending to be her.. But I'm pretty sure it was a scam operation.. Both the real and fake I.P addresses I pulled from ICQ were from the same state.
Fuck that bitch

[JustynErmouth]

Wow.. I have have purchased a lot of content from Jolene Devil In The Past Couple Of Years. The Only Issue I Have Ever Had Was When Her Back Went To Shit And Was Out Of Commission For About 6 Months. Sorry To Hear About Your Bad Experience. Maybe She Will Make It Up To You As She Did With Me A While Back For Taking Months To Deliver Exclusive Video. I Hope She Makes This Right For You..

[iamBoogieman]

Fuckin scammer.

[Jolene_Devil]

Originally Posted by marlboroack

She scammed me out of 800$.. sent her or her husband the money via paxum and got 0 content.
She said someone was pretending to be her.. But I'm pretty sure it was a scam operation.. Both the real and fake I.P addresses I pulled from ICQ were from the same state.
Fuck that bitch

OMG...you are soooooo fucking full of shit, Brandon. If anything, YOU scammed this guy by "brokering" content you didn't even have yet LoL then pressured me and my husband to sell you the content for cheap, because somebody POSING as me ripped you off. For the record, I've got the guy's name now who did that and YOU KNOW it wasn't me. That is ridiculous.

the guy that started this thread NEVER has done ANY business with me, to the best of my knowledge. He also chose NOT to respond to my personal messages after he repeatedly attacked me here on GFY. This is just stupid.

As for you Dan/Justin...you know better than that crap. We've done lots of business. I emailed you, by the way.

[carpocratian]

I find it interesting that you didn't communicate with customers who you had stiffed (or respond to these threads) until you decided to start selling your content packages again. I have purchased things from you in the past, though most likely using a different email address that I use for business transactions.

I don't know if you intentionally scammed people or not, but if you aren't willing to take the time to make sure that you have filled all orders each week, or even to respond to emails sent to your legitimate email address, you shouldn't be selling content. Falling off the map without making sure that every order has been fulfilled is a seriously unprofessional thing to do.

[Jolene_Devil]

Originally Posted by carpocratian

I find it interesting that you didn't communicate with customers who you had stiffed (or respond to these threads) until you decided to start selling your content packages again. I have purchased things from you in the past, though most likely using a different email address that I use for business transactions.

I don't know if you intentionally scammed people or not, but if you aren't willing to take the time to make sure that you have filled all orders each week, or even to respond to emails sent to your legitimate email address, you shouldn't be selling content. Falling off the map without making sure that every order has been fulfilled is a seriously unprofessional thing to do.

First off, I have NO IDEA who you are. Funny you didn't start posting this crap until someone using MY name, scammed at least one person that I know of. I am afraid you didn't deal with me. But while we're talking about not being professional, I have to seriously question why it is that you didn't respond to my personal messages I sent you through this site, as opposed to attacking me here on a public forum. That is about as unprofessional as it gets, buddy. I didn't respond to any complaints here, because I was OFF THE BOARD for a couple of months. My bread and butter isn't selling content packages to webmasters...it's shooting custom vids for private buyers. Usually, for long stretches, I don't push the content packages....I stay focused on my core of regular, private buyers. THAT is why I wasn't on the board, responding to your attacks. Then a good, long term, established buyer I have here, unfortunately saw one of your old attack posts and got it bumped back up to the top.

And look...you show up in June 0f 2014, making your first post on this board, then within a month or two here on GFY, you're bashing ME...a seller that has a good reputation and has been on this board selling for years. You are barking up the wrong tree. I didn't rip you off. Either you got ripped off by an impostor...bought my content from "marlboroack" (Brandon Ackermon), who NEVER bought content from me...HE got ripped off by someone pretending to be me...OR you are just being a bloody assholehere and causing shit. I post my email address in every single post I make here LoL EMAIL ME.

And to address "falling off the map"...At worst, a couple of people had to wait for longer than they thought they should. I happen to have some really good business relationships that have been formed here on GFY. I actually have degenerative disc disease and have had some major physical issues with my back over the last year, that actually did put me out of commission for a spell. But even then, I never "fell off the map" with buyers. Any body that felt they got the short end, I have spoken with and tried to make good with.

So for future reference...if you have a legitimate issue with me...and you have TRULY dealt with me...fucking email me, dude! LOL Don't bash me every chance you get on a message board. And start Threads that say "SCAMMER ALERT"... I guess I could make a post that says "UNPROFESSIONAL LIAR ALERT : Carpocratian"

Now...I have already spoken to Eric here at GFY. If the unfounded attacks continue, there will be action taken. I have the right to protect my business reputation. And what you're doing has crossed from "sharing an opinion" into Slander and Defamation. You are PURPOSELY attempting to effect my business in a negative way, by spreading damaging rumors in an online business community. Not good, babe.

[x12media]

Boom :-)

[fappingJack]

are we settled here? i hope the case is closed already. do not invent stories youre not ready to justify. most people here for a living do not destroy their name.

[Panty Snatcher]

My thoughts exactly

Show proof or shut the fuck up

Originally Posted by fappingJack

are we settled here? i hope the case is closed already. do not invent stories youre not ready to justify. most people here for a living do not destroy their name.

[carpocratian]

>At worst, a couple of people had to
>wait for longer than they thought they should.

I think anyone would agree that 6 months to get content that was ordered (and promised within a week or two) is a lot longer than anyone would think it would take.

I'm not going to push the issue any further. It's my word against hers at this point. At no point was I using the email address of the person who was evidently reselling her material.

I'm not sure how anyone expects me to show proof of all this. I'm not posting a screenshot of the PayPal payment, if that's what you're expecting. I have a feeling that she doesn't want me to post any of the emails between us, but I will, if she requests it. Otherwise, I have had my say, and am willing to let the matter drop. I reported my experience. Everyone can take it for what it is. I hope that nobody has the same experience in the future purchasing from her.

[carpocratian]

>Any body that felt they got the short end,
>I have spoken with and tried to make good with.

Yes, you did, and admitted fault. That still doesn't change the fact that you were an unreliable seller. Hopefully that won't be the case for future customers.

[carpocratian]

If Jolene wants me to, I'll post an image of the PayPal transaction and copies of the emails we exchanged. If not, don't accuse me of not providing "proof."

I suspect that anyone here would be unhappy if they paid for content and didn't receive it for 5+ months. I bet that you would also want to warn other potential customers about it. That is my only agenda here. I have no desire to destroy someone's business, but I do feel it's only right to let other potential customers know about issues like this.

I ordered a hard drive of content back in July (not June - my mistake) and paid $250 for it. I didn't get it until the very end of the year. The few replies to emails I sent during that time were that she would put it in the mail in a few days, which didn't happen (until the end of December). She was apologetic, and I eventually got the hard drive, but that really didn't happen until she (apparently) wanted to start selling on here again. That may have been a coincidence or not.

In the end, though, it's unacceptable to get a content order 5 months after the fact. It's poor business practice. If I had made a mistake of that magnitude, I would have refunded a portion of the purchase price. So is not answering emails from customers on a timely basis. Since some of you have had good experiences with her, maybe it was just a fluke. I can only speak to my own experience. Caveat emptor and all that.

Ultimately, it's all done. I have reported my experience, and am willing to let it drop. If Jolene wants me to show proof, I'm more than happy to do so.

[Jolene_Devil]

Originally Posted by carpocratian

If Jolene wants me to, I'll post an image of the PayPal transaction and copies of the emails we exchanged. If not, don't accuse me of not providing "proof."

I suspect that anyone here would be unhappy if they paid for content and didn't receive it for 5+ months. I bet that you would also want to warn other potential customers about it. That is my only agenda here. I have no desire to destroy someone's business, but I do feel it's only right to let other potential customers know about issues like this.

I ordered a hard drive of content back in July (not June - my mistake) and paid $250 for it. I didn't get it until the very end of the year. The few replies to emails I sent during that time were that she would put it in the mail in a few days, which didn't happen (until the end of December). She was apologetic, and I eventually got the hard drive, but that really didn't happen until she (apparently) wanted to start selling on here again. That may have been a coincidence or not.

In the end, though, it's unacceptable to get a content order 5 months after the fact. It's poor business practice. If I had made a mistake of that magnitude, I would have refunded a portion of the purchase price. So is not answering emails from customers on a timely basis. Since some of you have had good experiences with her, maybe it was just a fluke. I can only speak to my own experience. Caveat emptor and all that.

Ultimately, it's all done. I have reported my experience, and am willing to let it drop. If Jolene wants me to show proof, I'm more than happy to do so.

Look...I don't want to QUIBBLE with anyone on here. If you truly had a bad experience with me, and there have been a couple along the way. Ya do enough business and that's bound to happen...I apologize. Sincerely. So by the process of elimination, I have an idea of who ya might be now. If you would be so kind, as to email me again or respond to my PM's here on the site, I would greatly appreciate it. BUT if it's who I think ya are, the initial deal was for the downloadable version, eh? Which you received...right? Then you sent $ unexpectedly weeks/month or so later for a hard drive, to ship it to you on?
To the best of my knowledge that is theee only case similar to what you're claiming. So if that's it...why the hell would you scream "Scammer Alert" ?? You know it's not a scam. You KNOW you at least got what you initially paid for. And you KNOW why you didn't get refunded the $60 for the hard drive. Is all of that a fair and true statement?

I also realize you had stopped with the attacks on here...I mean this thread is months old, it just unfortunately got bumped back up to the top. And to hear good ole "Marlboroack" piling on is just ridiculous, because he knows that's a bunch of crap, in his particular case.

This is small, tight-knit buyer/seller community. I try not to shit where I eat. I hope you adopt the same philosophy. And if you'd like to talk, I'd appreciate it if we did it via email. I assure you, that if it's lack of communication that was part of the issue, that is definitely not the case now...email me. [email protected] or even the other email that I do believe I gave you too. Trust me...I'm one of the good ones here LoL Which is like saying I'm one of the least likely sharks to bite your leg off.

Now...once and for all...I would like this BS to just go away. So we can both get back to what we're here for. I've got a sweet content deal I'm doing, damn it...and this is seriously harshing the buzz.

[Panty Snatcher]

i am more than willing to arbitrage this issue

If you want me to

[carpocratian]

>BUT if it's who I think ya are, the initial
>deal was for the downloadable version, eh?
...
>So if that's it...why the hell would you scream
>"Scammer Alert" ?? You know it's not a scam.
>You KNOW you at least got what you initially
>paid for.

The server you had the content hosted on wouldn't let me login to get the content. You didn't know why that was the case, and suggested that I pay extra to get it sent to me on a hard drive, which I did. I never saw a single bit of the content until a little over a month ago.

I gave it several weeks, then checked back in with you via email. You said that you needed to order another batch of hard drives, and would send it out the following Monday, but you didn't.

That pattern continued for several months, then you quit responding to emails and quit sending updates.

Near the end of November, I still hadn't received it. I was out $250, had no content, and couldn't get a response from you. So I decided it was appropriate to let other potential customers know about my experience. It didn't look like I would ever get what I paid for, which is why I used the terms "ripoff" and "scammer."

I finally got the hard drive at the end of December or beginning of January (I don't have the stamp to see the exact date). You apologized, and I was just going to let the matter drop, but then you restarted the thread and claimed that I was lying. Given what I had said in the thread back in November, I'm surprised that you didn't realize who I was. I'm not going to have you and your fans call me a liar in an open forum when I'm not. Everything I have said has been true.

>I also realize you had stopped with the attacks
>on here...I mean this thread is months old, it just
>unfortunately got bumped back up to the top.

I didn't attack you. Everything I said was true and accurate, and was said in an attempt to let others know my experience purchasing from you.

I'm not out to destroy your business. I have never tried to destroy anyone's business. Keep in mind that this thread was started when you still hadn't lived up to your end of the bargain, 5 months after I paid for the content, and had been incommunicado for quite a while. There was every reason to believe that I had been scammed. I tried for almost half a year to resolve things privately in email, but you did essentially fall off the Earth, at least as far as that was concerned. At that point, I didn't expect to get my money back or get my content, and did the ethical thing by trying to let others know what had happened so the same thing wouldn't happen to them.

>This is small, tight-knit buyer/seller community.
>I try not to shit where I eat. I hope you adopt
>the same philosophy.

I don't shit where I eat, either. I never have. In this case, I gave a legitimate warning to the community based on my experience purchasing from you. Remember, you're the one who didn't deliver the content for 5 months and who quit responding to emails. I'm not mad about it, but you dropped the ball in a big way. Since I eventually received the drive, I no longer consider it a scam per se, but I do consider it to have been poor customer service. My bet is that it was a mistake and won't happen again.

Ultimately, I just wanted the content or my money back. You should have been responding to your emails, and you should have sent me what I paid for initially, or refunded my money. Period. Things happen in life, and I wasn't too upset about it for the first couple of months, but that sort of stretch of time is very problematic from a business point of view. If you are going to sell content, you need to make sure that you answer all your emails, keep track of who has received what they have paid for, and (if selling through forums) at least check in occasionally to see what is going on. If not, it's best that you don't sell on forums, and stick to the part of the business where you are more able or willing to keep track of things.

In the end, the only reason I took this to the forums at all was because you didn't deliver any of the product for 5 months and quit responding to my emails, which were always polite. Any communication issues were on your side, not mine. I'm not the one who revived this thread, either. I didn't do anything wrong here. You made a mistake, and my response was not out of line. Own it, accept it, and let's move on.

For the rest of you who called me a liar, make sure that you really know what you're talking about before you make accusations.

[Jolene_Devil]

Originally Posted by carpocratian

>BUT if it's who I think ya are, the initial
>deal was for the downloadable version, eh?
...
>So if that's it...why the hell would you scream
>"Scammer Alert" ?? You know it's not a scam.
>You KNOW you at least got what you initially
>paid for.

The server you had the content hosted on wouldn't let me login to get the content. You didn't know why that was the case, and suggested that I pay extra to get it sent to me on a hard drive, which I did. I never saw a single bit of the content until a little over a month ago.

I gave it several weeks, then checked back in with you via email. You said that you needed to order another batch of hard drives, and would send it out the following Monday, but you didn't.

That pattern continued for several months, then you quit responding to emails and quit sending updates.

Near the end of November, I still hadn't received it. I was out $250, had no content, and couldn't get a response from you. So I decided it was appropriate to let other potential customers know about my experience. It didn't look like I would ever get what I paid for, which is why I used the terms "ripoff" and "scammer."

I finally got the hard drive at the end of December or beginning of January (I don't have the stamp to see the exact date). You apologized, and I was just going to let the matter drop, but then you restarted the thread and claimed that I was lying. Given what I had said in the thread back in November, I'm surprised that you didn't realize who I was. I'm not going to have you and your fans call me a liar in an open forum when I'm not. Everything I have said has been true.

>I also realize you had stopped with the attacks
>on here...I mean this thread is months old, it just
>unfortunately got bumped back up to the top.

I didn't attack you. Everything I said was true and accurate, and was said in an attempt to let others know my experience purchasing from you.

I'm not out to destroy your business. I have never tried to destroy anyone's business. Keep in mind that this thread was started when you still hadn't lived up to your end of the bargain, 5 months after I paid for the content, and had been incommunicado for quite a while. There was every reason to believe that I had been scammed. I tried for almost half a year to resolve things privately in email, but you did essentially fall off the Earth, at least as far as that was concerned. At that point, I didn't expect to get my money back or get my content, and did the ethical thing by trying to let others know what had happened so the same thing wouldn't happen to them.

>This is small, tight-knit buyer/seller community.
>I try not to shit where I eat. I hope you adopt
>the same philosophy.

I don't shit where I eat, either. I never have. In this case, I gave a legitimate warning to the community based on my experience purchasing from you. Remember, you're the one who didn't deliver the content for 5 months and who quit responding to emails. I'm not mad about it, but you dropped the ball in a big way. Since I eventually received the drive, I no longer consider it a scam per se, but I do consider it to have been poor customer service. My bet is that it was a mistake and won't happen again.

Ultimately, I just wanted the content or my money back. You should have been responding to your emails, and you should have sent me what I paid for initially, or refunded my money. Period. Things happen in life, and I wasn't too upset about it for the first couple of months, but that sort of stretch of time is very problematic from a business point of view. If you are going to sell content, you need to make sure that you answer all your emails, keep track of who has received what they have paid for, and (if selling through forums) at least check in occasionally to see what is going on. If not, it's best that you don't sell on forums, and stick to the part of the business where you are more able or willing to keep track of things.

In the end, the only reason I took this to the forums at all was because you didn't deliver any of the product for 5 months and quit responding to my emails, which were always polite. Any communication issues were on your side, not mine. I'm not the one who revived this thread, either. I didn't do anything wrong here. You made a mistake, and my response was not out of line. Own it, accept it, and let's move on.

For the rest of you who called me a liar, make sure that you really know what you're talking about before you make accusations.

Okay, Jesse : ) Now we're getting somewhere. As for "not attacking" me...BS. You made SEVERAL posts about me that were bad enough to be deleted here on GFY. Now that's funny...because it's almost impossible, evidently, to stir a reaction from Eric and the GFY mod "crew" LoL I never got the pleasure of reading those, because I wasn't on the board very much at that time. So when I logged on to make a post, I saw that on every single thread that I had made in the last weeks or so leading up to that, you had made posts that had been deleted. I didn't suspect you, because I believe that I had made good with you at that point. And the fact that you wouldn't reveal who you were, respond to my pm's here or email me back, even at the new email addy I provided you, led me to believe that it was likely a baseless attack against me here on GFY.

You see...there WAS someone claiming to be me, that ripped off at least one individual from this business community. And that occurred about the time that you started psoting, so I assumed that's what you were talking about. As for shitting where ya eat...yeah, ya kinda are. Because it creates a hostile environment. BUT...I DO understand. If anyone would have a claim against me, it would be YOU. I'm an honest girl, so I'll give ya that one. I did make good on it with you...and there is a MAJOR difference between the verbage of "unreliable" versus "Scammer". Which I've been guilty of being unreliable a time or two LoL I had my reasons, but yes. Scammer? Absolutely not. But yes...I would've been agitated too, if something had taken that long. You got it in December, by the way.

Look...I know you're kinda new to the scene...But the great thing about GFY is, if you're a scammer, you'll get chewed up and spit out here. this is seriously swimming with the sharks. There's a reason it's called "GFY"...if there's ever been a bigger collection of lovable, yet abusive a-holes on the planet, I don't know about it LoL Myself included. Point is...If I was a scammer, I would've been sniffed out a loooong time ago. I mean, you have seen my vids....you know I "aim to please"

I'm not bashing YOU. And the other people aren't "fans"...they're people I've done business with. I've done LOTS of great biz here over the years. Waaaaaay more good biz, than bad biz. But unfortunately, there's not a rating system here...there's a forum...so titles like "Scammer Alert" or similar are pretty damaging.

I just want the thread gone LoL Now that i know who you are, I understand a lil more of where you're coming from. But I'm not a scammer. For the record...I'm 100% available by email. IF you would like to email me, talk about it, etc. Or god forbid, do any more biz LoL EMAIL ME.

By the way...did you call me? I got a call a few days ago from your area code LoL Weird question, I know. Regardless...don't post the answer HERE. Let this thread die and just email me. No hard feelings on my end and it seems as though you've moved on from it too.

[carpocratian]

>Okay, Jesse : )

We're using real names now? I specifically avoided doing that.

>As for "not attacking" me...BS. You made
>SEVERAL posts about me that were bad enough
>to be deleted here on GFY. Now that's funny...
>because it's almost impossible, evidently, to stir
>a reaction from Eric and the GFY mod "crew"

If anything was deleted, I wasn't aware of it. That's not to say they weren't, but I never realized it, because I had dropped the whole matter. I do find that kind of amusing when you consider what they let people say and do on here. Nothing I ever said was that bad, and certainly wasn't untruthful. I would love to see what I said that was so bad that they would delete it, given everything else that goes on here.

Telling people about a vendor who scammed you isn't an attack. It's a warning to others. Until you suddenly sent the hard drive, I had every reason to believe you had scammed me. Remember, this thread was started when you hadn't sent the hard drive and weren't responding to my emails.

>I didn't suspect you, because I believe
>that I had made good with you at that point.

As I said before, this thread came about before you eventually sent me the hard drive. I'm not the one who revived it, and didn't respond until you started calling me a liar. I considered the whole matter done after I had received the drive.

>And the fact that you wouldn't reveal who
>you were, respond to my pm's here or email
>me back, even at the new email addy I provided you,
>led me to believe that it was likely a baseless attack
>against me here on GFY.

To be honest, I'm still really surprised that you didn't know who I was. I didn't think that you had that many people who ordered hard drives in the summer and hadn't received them. In retrospect, I probably should have just answered the pm's and given you my name, but I was pretty much fed up with it all by that time. You didn't respond to my emails for months.

>You see...there WAS someone claiming to be me,
>that ripped off at least one individual from this
>business community. And that occurred about
>the time that you started psoting, so I assumed
>that's what you were talking about.

I can sympathize with that and believe you, but after a few people posted your real email address, I specifically stated that it was the one I had been using.

>As for shitting where ya eat...yeah, ya kinda are.
>Because it creates a hostile environment.

No, I'm not. I reported what appeared to be a scam in good faith. When people challenged me on it, I gave some details. Things only got hostile when you and some others started calling me a liar. Even then, I didn't get hostile - I simply restated the facts. If I had started calling you names, lied about things, or been rude, that would have been hostile. If I had come back on here and complained about you after I had received the hard drive, that would be hostility. I didn't, though. You revived the thread. Everything I have said has been true, and I had no intention or desire to keep things going. The matter had been settled in my mind.

>BUT...I DO understand. If anyone would
>have a claim against me, it would be YOU.
>I'm an honest girl, so I'll give ya that one.

I believe you are. I believe that this was a mistake on your part, and I doubt you'll make the same mistake again. I still don't understand why it took so long to get the content, and why you quit responding to emails, but I have no interest in holding a grudge.

>I did make good on it with you...and there is a
>MAJOR difference between the verbage of "unreliable"
>versus "Scammer".

I agree. Keep in mind, though, that you had every appearance of being a scammer when this thread was started, and (at that point) still wouldn't respond to my emails. It was an accurate word to use, under the circumstances. That doesn't mean you ARE a scammer, but you certainly appeared to be one, and wouldn't communicate with me. I kept trying to communicate in good faith for months.

I know that you just saw this thread recently, and so everything runs together for you. For me, though, this has been an issue for almost half a year. I'm not calling you a scammer now.

>But yes...I would've been agitated too,
>if something had taken that long.

Thank you.

>Point is...If I was a scammer, I would've
>been sniffed out a loooong time ago. I mean,
>you have seen my vids....you know I "aim to please"

I understand that, but you also have to realize that there were several other people who said the same thing had happened to them, on various threads. There were people who said that they had done business with you in the past and had good experiences, but everyone who mentioned doing business with you recently reported bad experiences. That may very well have been due to the guy who was selling your content under false pretenses, but ultimately the only recent reports I saw on you were negative, and nobody knew why you weren't communicating.

I'm new to content purchasing, but I'm not new to the porn industry - I have been doing IT work for porn folks on and off since the 90s. I have owned and run porn sites in the past, in partnership with a content producer. I have seen more than my share of people who were once reliable businesspeople start to rip people off, particularly when they get desperate for money. It's not really that unusual to see scammer alerts legitimately raised on people who used to run legitimate business, in the porn industry or elsewhere (it happens a lot in the prop reproduction industry, for example).

>I'm not bashing YOU. And the other people aren't
>"fans"...they're people I've done business with.

Ultimately, though, they spoke without knowing anything about the situation. The only reason I didn't immediately post a picture of the PayPal receipt is because it has someone's real name on it, and I don't like to put up anyone's real name without their permission. I have been in situations where someone has posted a scammer alert regarding someone I have a business relationship with, and I usually stay out of it if I don't know the whole story. At most, I will say "that hasn't been my experience." In at least one case (in the IT industry), it turns out that the guy who had always dealt fairly with me HAD ripped off a few people. I don't get in the middle of things like that because I don't want to end up with egg on my face again.

>But unfortunately, there's not a rating system
>here...there's a forum...so titles like "Scammer Alert"
>or similar are pretty damaging.

I know, and I would never post something like that without good reason. You have to admit, though, that after five months I had good reason, particularly because you wouldn't respond to my emails over a period of months. According to my records, the last time you had responded to one of my emails (at the time of posting the thread) was in late September/early October. Can you really blame me for wanting to warn other people by the time late November came around? Can you understand why I had every reason to think that you were running a scam? I'm not saying you were, since I eventually got the drive, but can you see why I would have come to that conclusion in late November? Wouldn't you have thought the same thing?

>I just want the thread gone LoL

I do, too. I would be more than happy for the mods to just delete this thread and any related ones (or related posts). I had already considered the matter closed after I got the drive, so I was surprised that it popped up again at all.

>By the way...did you call me?

No, that wasn't me.

In the end, I know you have a small business to run, and I truly believe that this was a mistake. I would never want to do anything to endanger a person's legitimate business. The reason I didn't report it as a scam to PayPal was that I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I considered doing so when I started this thread, but I really didn't want to make you lose your PayPal account.

To the mods - I think Jolene and I would both be happy if you just deleted this thread, and anything else related to it.

[carpocratian]

Oh, crap, I'm sorry, I just saw that you asked me to email my response at the end of your last post. I apologize.

For everyone else, let's just let the thread die now.

[Jolene_Devil]

Originally Posted by carpocratian

Oh, crap, I'm sorry, I just saw that you asked me to email my response at the end of your last post. I apologize.

For everyone else, let's just let the thread die now.

Well...it's already back at the top, so why not? I'll post here too LoL

Ok then, I'm clueless as to why they deleted your other threads. I assumed, as anyone would, that they must have been vicious attacks. You would've too. I think they might have done that, because they were aware of the fake "jolAne devil" that was ripping people off and assumed that you were part of that BS too.

As for not realizing I had so many people "that didn't receive their content"....nice jab, bud ; ) Good one. Again...I thought you were part of this whole other BS mess. Again, I thought you were part of this other BS. THAT is why I wasn't sure who it was...and with the timing of your posts and the timing of the creation of your GFY account...why wouldn't i have assumed that? I actually did sell a lot of packages in June by the way LoL

As for not responding for months...you might've slipped through the cracks, but I honestly can't say as I saw an email from you for months...I wasn't avoiding your email...BUT...I was going through some things at that time that make it all a little fuzzy. I had a lot of emails stack up over a period of several weeks. Kinda hard to send drives and even return emails in the middle of a serious opiate withdrawal LoL I hope you or anyone else on here, never has to face that. See...with my back issues...I have had to take some pretty serious meds for several years. The kinds that people steal & kill for. In fact, it's so much, that when I had my boobs done, the doctor couldn't legally give me even what I normally take on a day-to-day basis, so I literally had to feel the boob job operation...sooooo worth it though : ) But my point is, that because of changing regulations, I lost my doctor and had my meds cut to 1/4 my main med and breakthru meds taken away completely. I went through a NASTY withdrawal and worse yet was left with the pain of a BROKEN back...have several discs that have dried and cracked...excruciating pain. Which is FINE...when properly treated. But without the meds...yikes. Anyway...it's safe to say from June to November I had some ups and downs and yes...your situation squarely fell in there. However...it's not that black and white. You did kinda pop out of nowhere and send a separate paypal for the cost of the hard drive only...weeks/month later after originally buying the downloadable version. I had already since changed paypal accounts. I wish you would've claimed a refund actually, because Your $$ was absorbed...I never even got it to be honest. Long story there. But still had every intention of fulfilling your need for the hard drive. And gladI FINALLY did.

You seem like a smart guy...Ever heard the phrase "the vocal minority" or the "legion of the miserable"...The other "negative" experiences...I know of at least One or Two of those that were 100% completely bogus. Gotta consider the sources ; ) Also...the guy that got this thread kicked back up again...I've done THOUSANDS of $$ in business with over the last Three years. And will be doing another large deal for Exclusive vids this very week. He had noooo idea what he was setting into motion...and his comments about a "six month" stretch of being out of commision...he wasn't left hanging for Six Months. we didnt' talk for Six Months...but I did take longer than usual getting him his exclusive vids. Same thing with NaughtyRob. We've done biz like 3 times, I think now? And the last one...was a series of custom vids and it happened during the back and med issues too...but like everyone else during that time, he got his stuff ; )

NOW...first of all. I actually really like you a lot more for a lot of what you're saying here. You make good points, ok? I get it. If the shoe were on the other foot, i would probably feel the same way. So again, in your particular case...I'm sorry. But yes, I wish that we could've talked again, before all this BS had to play out. Not good for anyone really...ESPECIALLY ME LoL

Now...I've already ask the mods TWICE to remove this thread. If YOU can do so as well, please do...might help the cause. Yuck. tired of typing. Feel like I've been helping my kids with their math.

[ezgirl]

What an interesting thread, it should be morphed into a thread about getting paid. The buyer pays in advance, waits months, sends a hard drive, waits more and finally gets the content five to six months later? She freely admits it often takes her months to provide product. Webmasters write in sympathetic posts and share their experiences waiting months for their product from her. Am I seeing things?

We all got paid in advance in the old days, but it is not that way anymore. Even then I would front the costs and found that got me a lot of loyal clients, who did pay fairly promptly after getting their content. If I ever needed money all I had to do was send an email and I would have a payment on my desk within a day or two. All that changed with the Great Recession, many of my clients went out of business. I still shoot first and get paid later. And, we producers do often have delays getting a shoot done. Girls disappear, have their phones turned off, start their period, cars break down, etc. But we either finally get them in, or replace them, and send the finished product to the client, maybe a week, two or three later, but not any five or six months! Is a five to six month delay common with you folks, as many of the posts would suggest?

I was also perplexed by the fee - $250 for exclusive? Am I in a different universe? If it is that cheap then I guess you can expect to wait.

It sounds like they have worked things out, that is nice, best to both of you.

[Jolene_Devil]

Originally Posted by ezgirl

What an interesting thread, it should be morphed into a thread about getting paid. The buyer pays in advance, waits months, sends a hard drive, waits more and finally gets the content five to six months later? She freely admits it often takes her months to provide product. Webmasters write in sympathetic posts and share their experiences waiting months for their product from her. Am I seeing things?

We all got paid in advance in the old days, but it is not that way anymore. Even then I would front the costs and found that got me a lot of loyal clients, who did pay fairly promptly after getting their content. If I ever needed money all I had to do was send an email and I would have a payment on my desk within a day or two. All that changed with the Great Recession, many of my clients went out of business. I still shoot first and get paid later. And, we producers do often have delays getting a shoot done. Girls disappear, have their phones turned off, start their period, cars break down, etc. But we either finally get them in, or replace them, and send the finished product to the client, maybe a week, two or three later, but not any five or six months! Is a five to six month delay common with you folks, as many of the posts would suggest?

I was also perplexed by the fee - $250 for exclusive? Am I in a different universe? If it is that cheap then I guess you can expect to wait.

It sounds like they have worked things out, that is nice, best to both of you.

Hi there...for the record, this was not exclusive material we're talking about here. Think this thread got too convoluted and ya missed exactly what was going on. And NO, that 's not the norm, and NO I'm not saying that is how long I take to get things to people. This was a bit of an anomaly. And it caused some dog piling here and some BS to get spread.

Here's the thing...PLEASE don't come and try to keep the thread going. The thread starter, who posted this MONTHS ago now...and I BOTH...want to Nuke the thread. The Admins haven't helped us out yet.

But each time somebody comes a long and posts on it...it just perpetuates. PLEASE...let's leave it alone.