Cigarette Smokers... Have you ever stayed at a hotel...
 

Which DOESNT allow smoking, and has signs up saying "NO SMOKING Smokers will be fined $150" or similar...

And just go up to the desk, pay the fine in advance, and smoke your ass off in the room?

I have not done it, but after a recent stay in a hotel in London, I think I should have :)

Breach of contract is breach of contract.

I cant afford to stay at a hotel.

Ask Brad - Mojo Host:pimp

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Iz it because I iz black?

I'm not even sure I want to know what that is.

As for the smoking thing, I just ask for a room with windows that actually open, or request a balcony.

They don't want me to smoke in their rooms - fine. On the other hand, I like to crack open a window and get some fresh air circulating - even in Canada in January.

I think smelling recirculated farts, body order, and stale pussy is a lot more offensive than second hand smoke.

Fucking gross. I would hope that if you were obnoxious enough to do that that they would kick your ass out so that you don't contaminate the room for the next poor person checking in who gets randomly assigned it.

nothing is worse than a hotel room that reeks of smoke

Has he done it? LOL... Wouldn't surprise me :thumbsup

Yes there is... A hotel room that you cannot smoke in... Thats worse for a smoker.

LOL. That's exactly what he was thinking. Fuck, the entire flood smelled like smoke!

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Anyway, paying the ludicrously high 'Fine' should cover the cleaning of the room for the next person... I mean, they are gonna clean it anyway... And if they have a EXTRA $150... Then that EXTRA $150 surly can be used towards the cleaning?

With some profit left over for the hotel?

Sorry, I disagree. By placing a monetary value on the smoking ($150) or whatever, to me that is saying that if I want to smoke, I can, but it will cost me $150?

If it just said NO SMOKING... Fair enough... BUT, offering me $150 to be able to smoke... Is different...

just quit smoking: more money, less problems

I agree... But its like the old story about the sign that says 'Thank you For NOT Smoking"

But... Because you ARE smoking...

It doesn't apply...

lol that's funny.

No I've sat in a 4 star hotel in Amsterdam once, smoking a big fat joint and reading their leather bound rule book that said: "While the use of soft drugs are allowed in Amsterdam, they are not in the hotel and use of such in the room will be be cause for an extra cleaning bill".

After that I smoked out the window and took the ash with me, didn't want to explain the extra cleaning bill to my employer at that time :pimp

If you murder someone, you go to jail for x number of years. Does that make it right to murder someone if you are willing to accept the punishment? No of course not.

If you deliberately cause damage to someone's property, but afterwards agree to pay for the damage, does that make what you did 'right'? No of course not.

The hotel and you have an agreement: They provide a certain service, you agree to pay x amount of money and abide by certain rules.
If you decide to smoke in your room, you are violating the terms of the contract you agreed to. The fact that you knew beforehand how much the other party would charge you in damages, did in no way give you permission to smoke.

Sorry Mr U Bob, but I still respectfully disagree... Murder is murder and property damage is property damage... And they are not really the same thing...

All I am saying is that if they say 'You smoke? Its $150" Then why not proactively take them up on the offer?

Remember, I DIDNT smoke myself in the hotel room in London, because I RESPECTED the fact that the next guest may be a non smoker... But I cant help thinking that if I had paid the £150 'surcharge'? They could have cleaned the room, made something extra for themselves, and I could have enjoyed a ciggy, while on vacation...

Thats all :)

Their hotel room, their property, their rules. The $150 is not the price you pay to be allowed to smoke there. The $150 fine is the punishment they inflict on you for doing something that violates their rules.

While I agree that from an economic point of view, you are right. From an ethical point of view however, I think you are wrong.

If only you smokers knew how bad you truly do smell. Most definitely not that easy to make the smell go away, and my god is it bad. Nothing is worse then a hotel room that smells like cigarette smoke, I will immediately go politely ask for a new room.

if you have kids with allergies who are sensitive to smoke you know that no amount of cleaning will get rid of it. I've had someone in the next room decide to "take the fine" and it made my family sick.

Understood. However - Do you not feel that a professional hotel, being given $150 in EXTRA income, SOLEY for the purpose of 'Cleansing the room' should be able to get rid of the smell for $150?

Understood - ANd respected. REMEMBER... I DID NOT SMOKE...

But my point is this. If they said 'NO SMOKING' fair enough..
BUT THEY DONT... They say...
$150 TO SMOKE...

That, is my point... :helpme

Same here.

I used to own a couple of computer hardware stores (before I sold them), and I NEVER hired a smoker. I never asked them if they smoked (that would be illegal), but I could always tell if they did. I could always smell it.

There's nothing worse for a non-smoking customer than to ask a salesperson a question and get an answer that's shrouded in cigarette breath.

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I DISAGREE !

(Follow me here...)

No Need to politely ask for a room that doesn't smell of smoke... DEMAND IT ! LOUDLY ! You are entitled to it :thumbsup

My point is, that IF I smoked in the room, (Not surreptitiously, out the window) but straight up - and I PAID $150 for THE EXTRA CLEANING...

Then that is the hotels problem? Not yours or mine?

Yup, you got it 100%

I'm NOT saying I went to hotel that said NO SMOKING and I SMOKED !!! FUCK ME? AINT I JUST SOOOO COOL... ????

I'm just opening dialoge regarding an imposed monetary value upon smoking, as decided and dictated by the hotel itself...

Not saying right or wrong... Just opening it up to debate :thumbsup

I took this over the weekend at the YNOT Summit. A certain someone provided the wonderful haven for us... Thanks MojoHost Brad!

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Thats where I am going... :thumbsup

In the states, your looking at $250 from the pic...

In london, it was £150

Translation? give or take a dollar or so... Its the same cost :)

There is no way to clean a hotel room sufficiently after a cigarette smoker smokes inside. It will smell for months or years afterwards. Even blowing cigarette smoke out the window is no good unless they go all the way out on the balcony and close the sliding door tight behind them so the smoke doesn't waft back inside. I can smell when someone smokes a cigarette in a hotel room even if I am down the hall eight or ten rooms away.

What he said.

You know what's funny? the same people who wanted smoking banned could now end up in a room that someone has smoked in and not know it.

Whereas before you had smoking/non-smoking rooms.

OK, so in that case, why impose a monetary value of $150?

You cant say its a 'punishment'... Realistically, I could pay TEN times that, and not even notice...

Why not just say "NO SMOKING" and be done?

TBH, for myself, (And I guess Brad as well... lol ) the 'FINE' is not so much a "Deterrent", as it is an "Invitation"?

Again, let me state that this is NOT about smokers VS non smokers... Just about the logic of imposing a 'fine'???

Yep, those people are abundant...

Smokers who DEMAND the right to smoke, are very thin on the ground...

Ahh yes.. The good old days... When people ACTUALLY HAD A CHOICE... As opposed to a dictatorship... :2 cents:

I never wanted to ban smoking. People are free to use their property as they see fit.

If you want to smoke in your house, that is fine. If you want to smoke in your store, that is fine. Just know that I will never enter your store or buy anything there.
If a hotel owner wants to ban smokers from his hotel, than that is his right.

Your property, your rules.

Ah yes the good old day of personal freedom. When you didn't need the government to act like your mom/dad.

Yep, if a hotel wants to ban smoking. That's their right. But the government banning it in all bars and telling private business owners what to do is not right.

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