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DeadFidel 03-31-2014 05:39 AM

Why do some smart people still believe in God?
 
:pimp:pimp:( Mayo Yellow ) from Denver CO asked.

ING82 03-31-2014 05:50 AM

Because it's easier to believe in the lie.

dehash 03-31-2014 06:01 AM

May be they don't believe in church/bible/guy with beard, but in some almighty power...

DeadFidel 03-31-2014 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ING82 (Post 20033073)
Because it's easier to believe in the lie.

Pretty good 8 word answer.

just a punk 03-31-2014 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadFidel (Post 20033063)
Why do some smart people still believe in God?

Because they are weak.

Donny 03-31-2014 06:19 AM

Because they pay attention and realize the complexity that exists on this planet didn't happen unguided, that life cannot arise from non-life, that there is literally no way to even force that to happen no matter how hard we try, and that even if life COULD arise from non-life, the math doesn't add up, because the complexity we see here even on the cellular level would take more years than there are atoms in the universe for us to be here unguided, which is a number so enormous that it makes the 14.7 billion years we believe the universe has been around look very, very small.

Jel 03-31-2014 06:21 AM

If life cannot arise from non-life, how did your god come to exist Donny?

Have you humanised your god, like most religious people have humanised theirs?

Would you say your god is a who, or your god is a what?

DeadFidel 03-31-2014 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 20033113)
Because they pay attention and realize the complexity that exists on this planet didn't happen unguided, that life cannot arise from non-life, that there is literally no way to even force that to happen no matter how hard we try, and that even if life COULD arise from non-life, the math doesn't add up, because the complexity we see here even on the cellular level would take more years than there are atoms in the universe for us to be here unguided, which is a number so enormous that it makes the 14.7 billion years we believe the universe has been around look very, very small.

That was a Google search. :winkwink:

Donny 03-31-2014 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadFidel (Post 20033117)
That was a Google search. :winkwink:

Um... no. I have this same, tired debate on a regular basis and study related matters quite regularly.

Jel 03-31-2014 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 20033113)
because the complexity we see here even on the cellular level would take more years than there are atoms in the universe for us to be here unguided

sorry, but you just made that up, and it doesn't even make sense.

Donny 03-31-2014 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20033114)
If life cannot arise from non-life, how did your god come to exist Donny?

Have you humanised your god, like most religious people have humanised theirs?

Would you say your god is a who, or your god is a what?

Can the characters in a book, if alive, describe the author who wrote them into existence? Of course not, because the author exists outside the book. We humans cannot agree on our own existence, much less the existence of the Intelligent First Cause that got things going for us to be here. Newsflash: this argument is ineffective because whether one is a creationist or thinks the Big Bang happened on its own, the problem is the same: "from where did God come" on one side and "from where did the materials that spit forth from the unguided Big Bang come" on the other. Neither has an upper hand, and therefore your question is pointless.

MrDeiz 03-31-2014 06:30 AM

I do believe though i don't consider myself smart

Anyway religion is hard to understand for ignorant ppl. It's too dumb to ignore existence of Higher Being (whatever u call it), while you still can live with that

Donny 03-31-2014 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20033120)
sorry, but you just made that up, and it doesn't even make sense.

Except it does. Physics deals more with probabality and statistics than biology, yet most people in this debate focus on biological discussions. Probability and complexity tell us how many years it would take for elements of life to form. Mathematical formulas have been used to follow theories to their logical conclusion and show that we'd literally need more years than there are atoms in the universe to be here unguided.

nosey 03-31-2014 06:33 AM

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Donny 03-31-2014 06:34 AM

I'll be away from the board for most of the day, soon. I'm at Notre Dame University today, taking a tour before being involved in a discussion panel presented to students later this evening. Our tour begins in a little over an hour so I might be able to respond from time to time until then, depending on how quickly I can do my hair and makeup. ;)

DeadFidel 03-31-2014 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 20033123)
Except it does. Physics deals more with probabality and statistics than biology, yet most people in this debate focus on biological discussions. Probability and complexity tell us how many years it would take for elements of life to form. Mathematical formulas have been used to follow theories to their logical conclusion and show that we'd literally need more years than there are atoms in the universe to be here unguided.

Donny you are above my pay grade. Let me take a hit.

Jel 03-31-2014 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 20033121)
Can the characters in a book, if alive, describe the author who wrote them into existence? Of course not, because the author exists outside the book. We humans cannot agree on our own existence, much less the existence of the Intelligent First Cause that got things going for us to be here. Newsflash: this argument is ineffective because whether one is a creationist or thinks the Big Bang happened on its own, the problem is the same: "from where did God come" on one side and "from where did the materials that spit forth from the unguided Big Bang come" on the other. Neither has an upper hand, and therefore your question is pointless.

That's an awful, awful analogy. A book isn't a living breathing thing, whereas life as you mentioned it (obviously) is, specifically life being unable to arise out of non-life.

also: you didn't answer #2 and #3 - without those I can't put any context to your answers.

Jel 03-31-2014 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 20033123)
Except it does. Physics deals more with probabality and statistics than biology, yet most people in this debate focus on biological discussions. Probability and complexity tell us how many years it would take for elements of life to form. Mathematical formulas have been used to follow theories to their logical conclusion and show that we'd literally need more years than there are atoms in the universe to be here unguided.

ah ok I see what you were trying to say now. So a theory has been used to 'measure' something we cannot possibly know, and that leads to a 'conclusion'. Riiiight. I can see where this is going and I don't have time to waste on a batshit conversation with someone who is the equivalent of a person high on drugs and believes his current reality is actually real.

Maybe I will another day though :thumbsup

Donny 03-31-2014 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20033132)
ah ok I see what you were trying to say now. So a theory has been used to 'measure' something we cannot possibly know, and that leads to a 'conclusion'. Riiiight. I can see where this is going and I don't have time to waste on a batshit conversation with someone who is the equivalent of a person high on drugs and believes his current reality is actually real.

Maybe I will another day though :thumbsup

Yes, I'm such an idiot that universities such as Yale, Purdue, the University of Montana, York University, UC Davis, the University of Pennsylvania, several univerties in Australia, many others here in the USA and (today) Notre Dame not only invite me in to speak to their students, pay my airfare and hotel expenses, but also pay an honorarium to hear me.

You wouldn't try to explain Calculus to a five year old, and I am likewise not going to attempt to speak probability and complexity with you. Not because you (or the five year old) are not intelligent, but because I seriously doubt you've laid the foundation work upon which such a discussion would have to be built.

Rochard 03-31-2014 07:02 AM

Because when you reach a certain age you look back at your life and you suddenly discover how lucky you are. I look back at my life and holy shit have I been lucky...

Jel 03-31-2014 07:03 AM

I didn't say you were an idiot, in fact I think you come over as highly intelligent. A highly intelligent person high on drugs is still out of touch with reality though, and firmly believes that reality he is in to be 'real'.

You wouldn't try and have a real conversation with someone out of their head on crack, no matter how intelligent that person may be. I'm also guessing these universities don't label your talks as 'why there is a god, and he takes the form of the one in the christian religion', and tout them as factual.

Do I believe there is *nothing* that could be termed as a 'higher intelligence' - nope. To think that that intelligence/force/formula within it's own right/etc is a being that makes decisions based on whether a person has repented, and whether a person worships a humanised lifeform, is something I can't wrap my head around though.

'prayers' are answered whether you're a serial rapist, or whether you give all your money to the homeless. To say they'll only be answered if you are a repenter/worshipper is taking away that free will you bang on about that is supposedly given to us by your god.

DeadFidel 03-31-2014 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ING82 (Post 20033073)
Because it's easier to believe in the lie.

Still

the best answer for the laymen.

BlackCrayon 03-31-2014 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 20033136)
Yes, I'm such an idiot that universities such as Yale, Purdue, the University of Montana, York University, UC Davis, the University of Pennsylvania, several univerties in Australia, many others here in the USA and (today) Notre Dame not only invite me in to speak to their students, pay my airfare and hotel expenses, but also pay an honorarium to hear me.

You wouldn't try to explain Calculus to a five year old, and I am likewise not going to attempt to speak probability and complexity with you. Not because you (or the five year old) are not intelligent, but because I seriously doubt you've laid the foundation work upon which such a discussion would have to be built.

none of these places would give two shits about you if not for your past in porn. you have a good 'story' so you get this attention. had you been a good little son of a preacher man, you'd be just another religious nobody working in a field who's popularity is constantly shrinking.

Cleo 03-31-2014 07:08 AM

I believe in my toaster. It makes me yummy toast.

CaptainHowdy 03-31-2014 07:11 AM

Why? Because they're just smart...

MrTrollkien 03-31-2014 07:13 AM

Because not all of us fall for the bullshit you've been fed.

Magnetron 03-31-2014 08:33 AM

Go play some multiplayer online game and tell all the other participants that there was no god or any gods that had a hand in crafting your game environment.

Then imagine being fully immersed in that game environment to the point that no one was allowed to escape by logging out.

Imagine having children in that game environment. They have children. And so forth for many generations until your descendants are left only with their speculations about how that environment manifested.

Then imagine someone in an internet forum tosses out the notion that people aren't smart for believing that the environment was created by "something" typically given the generic title of god.

SomeCreep 03-31-2014 08:35 AM

God is real. Science is fake.

NewNick 03-31-2014 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 20033113)
Because they pay attention and realize the complexity that exists on this planet didn't happen unguided, that life cannot arise from non-life, that there is literally no way to even force that to happen no matter how hard we try, and that even if life COULD arise from non-life, the math doesn't add up, because the complexity we see here even on the cellular level would take more years than there are atoms in the universe for us to be here unguided, which is a number so enormous that it makes the 14.7 billion years we believe the universe has been around look very, very small.

I thought the good lord made the universe about 6000 years ago ?

Wellness Cash 03-31-2014 08:36 AM

'Smart people' don't.

NewNick 03-31-2014 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Donny (Post 20033136)
Yes, I'm such an idiot that universities such as Yale, Purdue, the University of Montana, York University, UC Davis, the University of Pennsylvania, several univerties in Australia, many others here in the USA and (today) Notre Dame not only invite me in to speak to their students, pay my airfare and hotel expenses, but also pay an honorarium to hear me.

You wouldn't try to explain Calculus to a five year old, and I am likewise not going to attempt to speak probability and complexity with you. Not because you (or the five year old) are not intelligent, but because I seriously doubt you've laid the foundation work upon which such a discussion would have to be built.

Why dont you try me Donny ?

Or am I too stupid as well ?

John-ACWM 03-31-2014 08:50 AM

Some smart people just act like they believe in God so that 'people with less brain' (that trust the smart people) will follow the 'rules' in the big black book. That could be an explanation.

TheSquealer 03-31-2014 09:49 AM

God spoke to the prophet Mohammad, making it clear that Jesus was just another prophet, not the son of God, was never crucified and never rose from the dead and will return to earth only as the Anticrist. As Donny likes to say... This is the word of God, definitely the most recent update and being the word of God, is unassailable and an undeniable truth and therefore, the fundamental tenants of Christianity are completely wrong.

TheSquealer 03-31-2014 09:50 AM

"It's all so complex, therefore... Aliens!"

SykkBoy 03-31-2014 10:04 AM

Because people need things in terms they can relate to. The average person can't concieve of a force that builds, detsroys and rebirths, so it's easier to imagine that force as a human being like entity.

When people ask if I believe in God, I usually say "not your God". I have a different visions of what my "God" is and does. A "God" doesn't really have to be a physical presence. Nor is there a definitely answer. Really, isn't God just smeone's interpretation of that inner voice that guides as well as the force that creates something like a tree? While the definitions may differ, isn't it all really the same thing?

Jel 03-31-2014 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SykkBoy (Post 20033379)
Because people need things in terms they can relate to. The average person can't concieve of a force that builds, detsroys and rebirths, so it's easier to imagine that force as a human being like entity.

When people ask if I believe in God, I usually say "not your God". I have a different visions of what my "God" is and does. A "God" doesn't really have to be a physical presence. Nor is there a definitely answer. Really, isn't God just smeone's interpretation of that inner voice that guides as well as the force that creates something like a tree? While the definitions may differ, isn't it all really the same thing?

at last, a sensible answer :thumbsup

mikesinner 03-31-2014 10:08 AM

Fear of death.

SongRider 03-31-2014 10:14 AM

Because if you don't the REALLY REALLY stupid people will burn your house down?

Because Mankind fears his temporary status as a "thing" in the universe... and some Gods promise eternal life?

Because that's what they were taught all their life?

There are MANY reasons people believe in Gods and such...

The most common excuse I have heard all my life is... " Well, I'd rather believe and be wrong than NOT believe and be wrong"

Its kinda like a spiritual insurance policy to them...

:winkwink:

JA$ON 03-31-2014 10:15 AM

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nosey 03-31-2014 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20033353)
"It's all so complex, therefore... Aliens!"

http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/w...gifs/alien.gif


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