a serious question for the lefites... and rochard
 

in this press release promoting diversity and reparations do you find the statues of men in chains appropriate for public display? doesn't work for me, to me it's equals putting a statue of stuffing Jews into an oven in Germany... however I am financially and personally conservative so naturally I find such imagery to be horrific and demeaning.

however I am not as politically educated nor as savvy about what is appropriate in your world view so I'm curious how the image plays out for you...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ly...cid=spartanntp

The entire point of such art is to invoke emotions and cause people to think. It seems they have accomplished exactly that.

My philosophy for life is to "mind my own damn business". We have some clown here in town who flies the confederate from the back of his old beat up pick up truck. If someone wants to fly the flag of a group that lost that's up to them.

I think blacks in america got seriously shafted for hundreds of years. They like to say "400 years" but it wasn't that long, however, are we really splitting hairs?

They went through unimaginable suffering. Then they were freed and treated like shit for another hundred years.

The anger they have won't go away and isn't good for them, white people, or the US. Most blacks hate white people more than they'll admit, and blame white people for all and sundry wrongs in their life.

I think the only way to get rid of that anger is to confront these images, allow them to exist in reality because they happened. Even then who knows. Maybe the US doesn't survive it.

White people today of course don't want to face that. I'm not sure they should have to. The sense exists that someone should "pay" for that time, but that isn't how reality works. Living well is the best revenge, they say.

cool thought, makes sense....

is there any particular reason you assign all the blame to the USA? every 'populace or social group' goes though hell at some point in history.

let me ask you this in all fairness to your statement, you and I are married, we are having issues.... we go to counseling, where I proceed to tell the therapist that EVERYTHING is your fault and that is just the facts and there are no other options...

how does that work for you? :winkwink:

I was just thinking how chillingly accurate his post was. We did go get them and enslave them. Then we pretended they were inferior up until about 50 years ago. Even after all of that, we run tons of stats and stuff based on race. Imagine if crime stats were sent out divided into height? “5’ 6” people were more violent last April with a sharp 15% rise in rapes.”

I am glad the piece is as effective as it is. I had a hard time looking at it. Germany has kept the camps and even has a law that you legally can not deny it happened. Other countries have had to work through their shit too. Look at the ones that don’t.

Lefties? I don't see what any of this has to do with left handed people. :(

cracker dont like being reminded...he is the eternal dindu...

I confess I'm a lefty..

Every race throughout history has done bad shit to some other race, yet we always have to bring up the big bad white man's bad deeds. All this statue does is add more fuel to the victimhood fire, which actually is one of the contributing factors that keeps black people where they are today.

Nice try cracker...

I don't think black people should use all that you laid out as an excuse for anything....but I do think it's good for white people to keep in perspective what it must be like to live in a country where your ancestors were brutalized by a certain group of people. That has to sit there in the back of every African-American's mind when interacting with white people and know that you need to live in the present and not let that bother you. It would drive me crazy.

White people today shouldn't have to feel guilty or ashamed of what their ancestors did, but they should at least keep that history in perspective.

It's really hard to get that balance right.

Me too, and we are being discriminated against!

Stop the leftie discrimination!!!

I have to say up until recently, I had not thought about Civil War symbols. Now that, I as a person who grew up in the Midwest USA have now done so, I can’t beleive we still have them. Wtf? We have monuments to the idea that black people should still be slaves. That is the sickest shit ever. And they have to tolerate it. It is flagrant racism.

Btw, if anyone sees it differently or has a slant thst somehow makes that alright, I would love to hear it.

while the civil was fought about states rights, one of those right the ability to own slaves.... many prefer to see the civil war only in the scope of black people and black people concerns.

with the amount of slavery present in this day and time it is very clear that black people care very little about slavery and only about their entitlements.

and it is interesting to note that the government that 'stopped slavery in America and helped fight slavery world wide' is blamed for all slavery but never thanked for abolishing slavery.

I'm not so sure this will make it right whatever the fuck that means???? to enslave another human is never right expect in politics it's okay to tell a group of people that they will never achieve shit in their lives because they got fucked over 400 years ago and they will NEVER EVER have shit UNLESS they vote for the dems...

that my friend is SUPER creepy to me... but hey you possibly think its cool??

I don't recall sir

Tone it down a notch .

That is what I thought. Slavery was the only right they wanted. So it was a war about slavery. So now imagine explaining the monuments built in the 1920’s to a young black child. Or the confederate flag that was flown over a state capital. Stone Mountain in Atlanta is even crazier.

Of course they can’t blame all of their ills on this. My thought was why do we feel it is ok to do this still?

one of the issues was spending, the south was being forced to cover expansion in the west and had no desire, just one of the many issues with the states at the time....

just like ww2 was about Jews... correct? when the US picks up 6 million blacks in about 5 years and gases them well... maybe the bothers might have a case.... right?

you are completely imagining stuff.. and I don't mind. you can live in any fantasy world you should chose. however you are not welcome to accuse me of what you imagine... get it asshole?

pls show me where I stated that it's okay to have slaves. seriously and no joke at all... assholes like you with big imaginations are wearing me out and causing endless amounts of social problems. :2 cents:

-- here is a space I saved for you to tell me how ALL blacks people issues are caused by the WHITE MAN.. tear it up homey..... like the teams of white ninja assassins sneaking around the ghetto (a word invented to describe Jews slums BTW) at night killing young bothers and the dumb fuck press blames the black guys... :disgust


there is little truth about slavery available... white Irish slavery has been denied and called fake. not politically correct

The Irish slave trade across the Atlantic had two main phases. The first occurred during the years 1641-1651. In 1641, Irish Catholic landowners attempted to overthrow the English-dominated government and restore the rights of Catholics. The rebellion failed, and as a result England cracked down hard on Irish rights. In 1641, Ireland had population of around 1.4 million people. By 1652, that population was down to around 600,000. Many people were killed by English troops or died of starvation, but tens of thousands were also forcibly removed and sold as slaves, not servants, to British plantations in the Caribbean and the Americas.

The Irish rebellion in 1641 was met with violent suppression


The second major period of slavery followed shortly afterwards and lasted from around 1652 to 1660. This time, the focus of Irish enslavement was not prisoners or former rebels who had fought British rule, but rather was children. After a decade of brutal treatment, Ireland was full of orphans. Over several years roughly 100,000 orphaned children were transported to the British colonies. At the same time, an additional 20,000-30,000 Irish adults were arrested and sold into slavery. In fact, so many Irish were enslaved that in many Caribbean colonies, like Barbados, they constituted the largest ethnic group, outnumbering both free English persons and African slaves.

when JFK became president there was as much controversy as Obama becoming the pres

Who's "we"? Your fellow white people?

Enjoy shaming us while you can. It won't last forever.

funny how everyone thinks they can chime in when it comes to so-called "white guilt"...

I wrote a similar thing some days ago.

Africa is FULL of black people enslaved by black people, in worst possible ways.

However, AFRICAN americans don't give a flying fuck about "motherland" as long as welfare checks are on time and they can blame whitey for whatever.

I have no 'white guilt' I've been poor and working since I was 12, I'm not really seeing any hand out for being white :2 cents:

And we don’t build monuments celebrating the slavers. Btw, I don’t see where I said you were in favor of slavery.

Texas mentions slavery 21 times in their succession speech. I think we would both be comfortable saying it was a major cause. It was a protected right in their constitution.

Side thought, I wonder if Germany has Hitler memorials? Or even say Rommel as he was well liked and even admired by our side. Private versus publicly funded etc. still seems weird to me. Lol

black Americans and white lefties have no concern for slavery AT ALL.. when you read about the antics of the slavers its just sickening....

for the asshole that want me to imagines shit.... imagine this dipshit: you are a young guy running around the jungle getting laid eating bananas... life is good. THEN some creepy filthy ARAB slave trader grabs your young and dumb ass, cuts your nuts and dick off and starts marching you across the Sahara desert.. IF YOU LIVE THROUGH IT.. you get to be a SLAVE!!!! (hummm not one fucking American involved, tell me it aint so!!!)

pretty sure they are still going it :2 cents:

Rommel has stuff named after him and memorials.

Hitler’s birth place has a marker. Anti fascist.

Fellow Americans was the we. Probably a bad choice.

lets not forget Rommel was murdered by hitler :2 cents:

what I think would be very interesting is a token of gratitude from the black community for all the advances, I did NOT hear one thank you when the statue was pulled down. got no use for ingrates myself

Wow! It was the imagine scene that set you off? My best friend is black. I thought about explaining this shit to his kids. I wasn’t trying to get you to talk to black kids or something lol.

I think the way the US is now is being hurt by this divide. I am not sure how it effects us but it has a cost in prisons, crime, welfare etc. Seems like it makes sense to try and get past this.

The cure for this might just be more time. When I was born, they still had separate water fountains and stuff like that. So both sides have people who still remember.

no, not at all, 'its the imaging what I think that calling me an asshole on what you totally imagined."

no mindreading bro, you got a question, you ask me. do NOT invent some answer then start acting like it's true...okay?

the ONLY way this will EVER resolve is IF EVERYBODY admits and accepts their fault in the situation. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEWN as the blacks and the white guilt-ers BLAME EVERYTHING on whitey.

I accept NO responsibility for blacks killing blacks, and for black men abandoning their families. until BLACK AMERICA accepts responsibility for their behaviors NOTHING will ever change. :2 cents:

Ok, I am still missing the asshole thing.

I do not think that black Americans have much fault in the slavery issue. I do not think we should use public funds or spaces to commemorate the Confederacy.

And yes, as a lefty, I thought the new memorial was powerful. Do I like it? It makes me uncomfortable and made us (you and I) have this conversation so it is effective.

On the current issues, yes the black community has lots of issues. It is getting better by every metric so maybe we are on the right course. It is just super slow.

I apologize, generally when guys start reading my mind I shut then down by going full troll.

the memorial: there is NO REASON ON EARTH a young child should be traumatized by that installation. if you are so shut down inside that you can not understand the terror and shame created by the instillation...

my suggestion is you stay away from kids...okay? you are fucked up inside.... and the black community WILL NEVER EVER progress UNTIL the black community accept half the blame for the situation. basic spiritual math 101.

it is NOT okay to take a baby, the repository for all human hope and accomplishment and impart to that child that the child is fucked and the world owes then a living for ever because the child is black. trust me this is disastrous in every regard.

this is a self fulfilling prophecy, you tell a child he is worthless and then fill that child with FALSE pride.. you get the black community. time for you to invest in some reality and a bit of research....

are you aware that black literacy was higher in the 50s then now? same with men staying with their families...

Nazi Germany lasted 12 years.
Slavery in America lasted hundreds of years.

So STOP with the bullshit comparisons to Germany etc. Enough.

Me? I am a white guy with ZERO "white guilt". Why? Because my family (both sides) did not come to the States until 1897 and 1904. NO ONE in my family ever owned slaves, supported slavery, believed slavery was a God given right or even THOUGHT about enslaving another human being.

I love all people, except those damn Albanians!*


*If someone can name the movie that came from I will buy them a beer.

Do you imply that someone who had a great-great-great-grandfather that DID own slaves, SHOULD feel white guilt?

I feel I should get special entitlements for having to write left handed on right handed desks in school. I think a statue of a left handed person writing on a right handed desk is in order. It could be placed where they took down one of the civil war statues..

Btw .. Yesterday, the Philippines banned their people from going to work in Kuwait because they were being abused and treated as slaves..

Actually not at all but that's the "reason" cited by many people. All white people are guilty because, in the past, white people enslaved black people.

I'm just saying that looking at the past is what keeps the Middle East in constant crises, Serbia, Turkey, Iraq, etc. We should focus on the very real racism happening in America RIGHT NOW instead of looking back hundreds of years trying to reconcile wounds that can only heal by looking forward.

It's a very complex issue and I do not know any answers, just how I try to conduct myself. I try to get along with ALL races and colors. But that's just me I guess. I care more about a person's behavior and if they are a good person or not. What they look like doesn't matter to me AT ALL.