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Obamacare Repeal and Replace -- We will have that debate
The Senate voted to proceed to debate on the Republican health care bill. Here?s what?s next ŧhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/u...re-debate.html
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Majority needed to pass Yes No Now they will have their debate ... The acrimony will be blinding and the results? |
McCain just gave a great speech :thumbsup
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Really glad that there will be votes and the Senators have to cast on each. No more hiding.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/u...alth-bill.html |
Proof positive we are about to get fucked.
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Oh good this is just for the debate...let the insanity begin. They arent voting for health care, just to take it away. Morons
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Yet another fucking sad day for the United States. Un fucking real.
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The problem with American Healthcare isn't Obamacare, Trumpcare, etc. It's the American healthcare industry. Nationalise it and get a healthcare system that can cost less.
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Are more people better off WITH Obamacare or WITHOUT Obamacare?
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Republicans will bailout the insurance companies and guarantee them profits with tax payer money to get them back on board, change it up a bit and try another future failure. We will pay for it through high premiums AND taxes because if their profits are guaranteed there will always be a loss. |
Obamacare is the first time in this nation's history that everyone has had free health care. And republicans want to take it away. I think that's mean.
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Sorry, Obamacare is not free healthcare, what planet do you live on -- planet poor people? Yes, if your income is below the poverty line;
$12,060 for individuals, $16,240 for a family of 2, $20,420 for a family of 3, $24,600 for a family of 4, you get Medicaid at the expense of all taxpayers. If your income is less that 4X this amount you get a pro rata subsidy paid to your insurer. Repeal and Replace Obamacare went down in flames last night. 43 for 57 against. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/u...alth-care.html Quote:
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It has gotten to the point that the average family can not afford the Obamacare rates. My family of 3 will have to pay $20k a year for insurance, then a $6500 a year deductible per person. So it's almost $27k before I get a penny from the insurance company, and that's if just 1 person gets sick.
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Sorry to break the bad news to you -- repealing Obamacare will not lower your insurance rates. I am basically at the same costs -- I agree that it's fucked up.
Let me propose something; That if you elect to fund and maintain a HSA deposit of $10K you can buy a policy at a lower premium with a $10K major medical deductible. Five visits to PCP and specialty doctors should be included for a $30 co-pay and prescription deductibles should be $1K. At least you would get some annual recurring benefit for the premiums you pay. I don't know what do do about Medicaid and the unpaid part of the indigent patient loses hospitals incur (the federal government pays some of these costs with taxpayer dollars). These indigent patient costs increase hospital prices to the public and insurers both. So, it is a lose-lose situation. Curbside pick-up is not a viable option in these cases ... https://s4.postimg.org/b5p65j5tp/wm-865x452.jpg |
Actually it will lower some rates because they wont have to follow a standard that ACA had. It will be like it was before people were paying for insurance that basically covered nothing.
Trump lowered my insurance 50 percent he rocks! Wait what do you mean my cancer treatments arent covered? Wait since I have a heart condition now,you are going to drop me? Wait what do you mean I hit my max so no more coverage for me? Wait hospitalization isnt covered? But hey Trump got me cheaper insurance. It doesn't do shit but its cheaper. Most of the people this is going to fuck in the ass the hardest will be Trump voters for the most part. But they will find a way to blame Obama. |
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As long as the US does not take the steps to remove the profit centers ( Insurrance compasnies, Hospitals corporation ) from the system , you can talk and pass bills of every flavor but it will remained fucked ! |
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Here it's free, in America it's denied on your insurance. |
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@rochard -- I don't see McCain's vote as a vote to 'take away' anything -- just to debate the issues on the floor of the Senate -- rather clever actually as the vote on the Repeal and Replace lost 43 to 57.
McConnell's plan was for shit -- move on and debate. @Wilbo -- I think you are really making an argument for some sort of Medicare for all Americans. A single payer governmental healthcare plan. Medicare for all might reduce all of the profit and some of the administrative healthcare costs. The premiums we would pay to the governmental plan *might* be less, the deductibles more reasonable and the benefits better. Instead of paying premiums the alternative might be new taxes. Employers would no longer buy insurance and *hopefully* employees would be paid more to compensate for the new taxes. You have do do this with a consumption tax like a VAT tax exempting food, medicine, education and rent. You have to create a transfer tax on personal property like stocks, bonds and real estate -- a small tax 1% or 2% to capture non wage income also to pay for healthcare. If you buy an expensive care your VAT is 15% or something ... Subsidizing and supporting the incumbent insurance industry players is a farce. |
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Or we could just go back to how things were in the pre-Obamacare days. As there was nothing really wrong with healthcare in the US for vast majority of the people. |
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I have a pre-existing condition. I have had it my entire life so it is not going away. Before Obamacare I was not able to buy insurance because the pre-existing condition disqualified me so I had to pay for a shitty insurance policy that covered big things like heart attacks etc (although I'm sure they would try to say my asthma would have caused the big problem) and I had to pay for all the asthma related care out of pocket which can get expensive. This meant ordering medicine online because it was literally 25% of the cost of buying it at my local pharmacy and just hoping they didn't get delayed at customs. The system before worked fine if you had a job at a reasonably big company that provided insurance for you (or that you helped pay for). If the company was too small their insurance may not have covered pre-existing conditions or they may not have offered insurance at all. If you were self-employed or you were working for a company that didn't offer insurance or that the co-pays were so high you couldn't afford them, it didn't work so well. |
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Good chunk of that 15% is probably young people who chose not to buy health insurance, so it's safe to assume that it was an issue affecting <10% of the population. So we went from an issue affecting <10%, to an issue where half the population is barely content with healthcare in the US, and the other half feeling like they are getting fucked in the ass. That's hardly progress. |
It's also a bit odd that uninsured rate was 10-15% for decades, but now when someone suggests that government subsidizing health insurance might not be the best plan, everyone is bitching and whining as though the sky is falling, claiming that without Obamacare society will collapse and we'll have people dieing in the streets. :error
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Straight Obamacare Repeal Amendment Fails ... Amendment is for shit >> next! |
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Just as I figured. Now rush the real plan that no one will be able to read through early next week. |
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The masters have spoken
"The association cited “strong incentives for people to obtain health insurance and keep it year-round,” funding for Obamacare’s cost-sharing reduction program — subsidies that help insurers keep out-of-pocket costs down for low-income consumers — and funding for “those with significant medical conditions” as vital matters for a health care bill to address. “In order to ensure a stable individual insurance marketplace, any final legislation must include these crucial elements to avoid steep premium increases and diminished choices that would make coverage unaffordable and inaccessible,” the federation of health insurance companies and organizations said in a statement." Blue Cross Blue Shield Lists ‘Crucial Elements’ Of Any Final O’Care Repeal – Talking Points Memo Individual mandate will be in the bill that is actually passed. 100% guaranteed. It will be called a "compromise" "strong incentives" = penalties |
considering Trump thinks Obamacare has been around for 17 yrs, I donīt think there should be a debate about the repeal or replace, it should be the impeachment of a mentally ill president :2 cents:
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repeal and replace with what?
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And this asshole picked a Supreme Court justice?
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This is bullshit. They don't care what the bill is so long as they pass a vote. They just want to win. Is this what our government has become? Doesn't matter what the vote is, so long as one party can claim a victory? "We'll just toss stuff up there until sooner or later something sticks". Fuck this already. Congress needs to do their jobs. If the Republicans want to beat Obamacare, they need to include the Democrats. It's just that simple. Create a bill for the people, not a bill for the Republican party. |
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Republicans are going to SAVE Obamacare. You can call it whatever you like in the end or put a R or a D beside it but it's going to be obamacare 2.0. The ONLY real change that will come from it is more money to the insurance companies.. And no that's not a Republican "rich people" conspiracy. It's Washington as usual. The Health care industry now has a noose around our neck and Democrats put it there. Republicans will pull it tighter. |
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Richard your a dumb cunt |
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I don't really *get* the mandate thing at all.
If you don't have cash or insurance to pay for expensive in-patient hospital care how are you going to pay for it? Whether hospital charges are a fair value or not isn't really the point -- people have to get paid for work or services provided. If you are uninsured and not covered by Medicaid who do you expect to pay when you can't. Free curbside body bag pick ups for the uninsured https://s4.postimg.org/b5p65j5tp/wm-865x452.jpg |
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How many US citizens would like to scrap the system they have in favour of the system the rest of the modern world use?
Most definitely well over 50%. It's cheaper, better and available to everyone who is a citizen of the country. So why can't you have it, in a democracy you should be able. Big Pharma and their shareholders are stopping you. |
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