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sperbonzo 06-15-2011 07:33 AM

So much for man-made global warming.... mini ice age coming due to solar activity!!
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/14/ice_age/

What may be the science story of the century is breaking this evening, as heavyweight US solar physicists announce that the Sun appears to be headed into a lengthy spell of low activity, which could mean that the Earth ? far from facing a global warming problem ? is actually headed into a mini Ice Age.
Average magnetic field strength in sunspot umbras has been steadily declining for over a decade. The trend includes sunspots from Cycles 22, 23, and (the current cycle) 24. Credit: NSO/AAS

Ice skating on the Thames by 2025?

The announcement made on 14 June (18:00 UK time) comes from scientists at the US National Solar Observatory (NSO) and US Air Force Research Laboratory. Three different analyses of the Sun's recent behaviour all indicate that a period of unusually low solar activity may be about to begin.

The Sun normally follows an 11-year cycle of activity. The current cycle, Cycle 24, is now supposed to be ramping up towards maximum strength. Increased numbers of sunspots and other indications ought to be happening: but in fact results so far are most disappointing. Scientists at the NSO now suspect, based on data showing decades-long trends leading to this point, that Cycle 25 may not happen at all.

This could have major implications for the Earth's climate. According to a statement issued by the NSO, announcing the research:

An immediate question is whether this slowdown presages a second Maunder Minimum, a 70-year period with virtually no sunspots [which occurred] during 1645-1715.

As NASA notes:

Early records of sunspots indicate that the Sun went through a period of inactivity in the late 17th century. Very few sunspots were seen on the Sun from about 1645 to 1715. Although the observations were not as extensive as in later years, the Sun was in fact well observed during this time and this lack of sunspots is well documented. This period of solar inactivity also corresponds to a climatic period called the "Little Ice Age" when rivers that are normally ice-free froze and snow fields remained year-round at lower altitudes. There is evidence that the Sun has had similar periods of inactivity in the more distant past.

During the Maunder Minimum and for periods either side of it, many European rivers which are ice-free today ? including the Thames ? routinely froze over, allowing ice skating and even for armies to march across them in some cases.

"This is highly unusual and unexpected," says Dr Frank Hill of the NSO. "But the fact that three completely different views of the Sun point in the same direction is a powerful indicator that the sunspot cycle may be going into hibernation."

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And so it goes....




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L-Pink 06-15-2011 07:39 AM

See what happens when people don't use enough aerosol deodorant.

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u-Bob 06-15-2011 07:41 AM

but you'll still have to pay your carbon taxes :(

Caligari 06-15-2011 07:41 AM

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...r-bear-001.jpg

Overload 06-15-2011 07:43 AM

lol, if the gulf stream rips off we'll face iceage in europe also ... see? there IS a balance SOMEHOW ... every action causes REaction ...

sidenote: what effect does mankind have on solar behaviour? NONE ... so much to man-made ... rofl

footnote: how come even the last bantu in africa SEES the climate change while (mostly) americans refuse to see any change ...

TB Adriana 06-15-2011 07:45 AM

So Chuck Norris can start farting again? I heard that was the leading cause for global warming

PR_Glen 06-15-2011 07:45 AM

i honestly believe they don't know enough about the sun to predict such things.. the data we have on it is a crumb in the ocean.

sperbonzo 06-15-2011 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overload (Post 18217303)
footnote: how come even the last bantu in africa SEES the climate change while (mostly) americans refuse to see any change ...

The climate is ALWAYS CHANGING.



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PornGreen 06-15-2011 07:53 AM

get in line for your sun spot credits!

Tom_PM 06-15-2011 07:54 AM

Is it impossible for the earth to be going through a natural warming cycle while the sun goes through a cycle which could impose cooling on the earth? The article writer seems to make a connection that literally is millions of miles apart.

u-Bob 06-15-2011 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18217323)
The climate is ALWAYS CHANGING.
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Exactly. The planet we live on is an extremely complex system. There's millions of different factors that all effect each other.

BlackCrayon 06-15-2011 08:09 AM

call it whatever you want, to think all that we are doing has no impact on climate is moronic to say the least.

CS-Jay 06-15-2011 08:10 AM

Does this mean I can snowboard all year long?

u-Bob 06-15-2011 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18217370)
call it whatever you want, to think all that we are doing has no impact on climate is moronic to say the least.

Of course we have an impact on our environment, but to claim that 'we' are somehow responsible for a major change in a enormously complex system (the interaction between, the sun, earth, other planets (like Jupiter), the jetstreams, volcanoes, the oceans,...) is the pretense of knowledge.

u-Bob 06-15-2011 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CS-Jay (Post 18217372)
Does this mean I can snowboard all year long?

only if you pay your carbon taxes.

czarina 06-15-2011 08:25 AM

I can't believe the Mayans (the most astrologically advanced civilization ever, only excluding our own) were wrong all along. They predicted the 2012 to be the year of highest solar activity ever, end of their calendar.

dyna mo 06-15-2011 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overload (Post 18217303)
footnote: how come even the last bantu in africa SEES the climate change while (mostly) americans refuse to see any change ...

fyi brainiac, the article is about the results from american scientists.

the very 1st fucking sentence in the article:
Quote:

heavyweight US solar physicists announce that the Sun appears to be headed into a lengthy spell of low activity, which could mean that the Earth ? far from facing a global warming problem ? is actually headed into a mini Ice Age.
fyi, US = United States

the 2nd fucking sentence:
Quote:

The announcement made on 14 June (18:00 UK time) comes from scientists at the US National Solar Observatory (NSO) and US Air Force Research Laboratory.
think for yourself and don't make ridiculous stereotypical generalizations about US. it makes you look like a shithead without much real world experience.

opusx312 06-15-2011 08:36 AM

its like the old crap about eggs being good for you then there were bad now there only half bad. lol

ottopottomouse 06-15-2011 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 18217408)
I can't believe the Mayans (the most astrologically advanced civilization ever, only excluding our own) were wrong all along. They predicted the 2012 to be the year of highest solar activity ever, end of their calendar.

You sure they didn't just run out of paper when they got to printing 2013 calendars?

PR_Glen 06-15-2011 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 18217408)
I can't believe the Mayans (the most astrologically advanced civilization ever, only excluding our own) were wrong all along. They predicted the 2012 to be the year of highest solar activity ever, end of their calendar.

they thought killing their children and eating their hearts would help them with their drought and crop growing problems and you are calling them the most astrologically advanced civilization? Maybe instead of watching tv you should actually read a book about the Mayans instead. They didn't predict anything, they stopped making calendars when the spanish killed most of them and forced the rest to abandon their religions and beliefs and to take on christianity instead.

Lay off the vodka.. that shit is making you crazy...

BlackCrayon 06-15-2011 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 18217394)
Of course we have an impact on our environment, but to claim that 'we' are somehow responsible for a major change in a enormously complex system (the interaction between, the sun, earth, other planets (like Jupiter), the jetstreams, volcanoes, the oceans,...) is the pretense of knowledge.

sure but some people want to use the idea that global warming is not caused by us and hense, we shouldn't worry about cutting pollution, using cleaner technology, etc.

JustJ 06-15-2011 12:22 PM

I believe I'll just wait and see what happens.

Caligari 06-15-2011 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 18217465)
they thought killing their children and eating their hearts would help them with their drought and crop growing problems and you are calling them the most astrologically advanced civilization? Maybe instead of watching tv you should actually read a book about the Mayans instead. They didn't predict anything, they stopped making calendars when the spanish killed most of them and forced the rest to abandon their religions and beliefs and to take on christianity instead.
Lay off the vodka.. that shit is making you crazy...

you're shitting me right? you might want to lay off the idiotic Mel Gibson movies and do some research, google is your friend...
http://www.experiment-resources.com/...astronomy.html
Quote:

Very few ancient astronomers capture the imagination in quite the same way as the Mayans, perhaps because of the conspiracy theories surrounding the alleged end of the world in 2012, as predicted by their calendar. Their incredibly accurate astronomical calculations and sophisticated mathematics were steeped in religion and omens, their priests discerning the very will of the gods behind the occurrences of natural phenomena.

Read more: http://www.experiment-resources.com/...#ixzz1PNJKFKQU
and http://www.starteachastronomy.com/mayan.html
Quote:

Mayan Mathematics
The Maya mathematical system on which all this was based was incredibly advanced, and it was developed starting about 500 B.C.E. During the period of the Dark Ages in Europe, the Mayan system was more refined than any in the world at that time. They used a vigesimal, or base 20, number system, which seems foreign to us but is actually quite easy to use with practice. Mayan numbers consist of a series of dots and bars, where dots have a value of one and bars represent five. The numbers one through nineteen, and a series of glyphs representing the number zero, are shown in the picture below.

u-Bob 06-16-2011 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18217827)
sure but some people want to use the idea that global warming is not caused by us and hense, we shouldn't worry about cutting pollution, using cleaner technology, etc.

and at the same time people want to use the idea that humans somehow caused global warming to raise new taxes (carbon taxes), to wipe out their competition (in Europe the largest manufactures of light bulbs lobbied to make the production of incandescent light bulbs illegal, not to somehow stop global warming, but to wipe out there competition), to scare the people into voting for them etc etc

TheSquealer 06-16-2011 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornGreen (Post 18217329)
get in line for your sun spot credits!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

12clicks 06-16-2011 07:28 AM

they couldn't be REAL scientists. As has been explained over and over by the left, all REAL scientists believe in man made global warming. Nothing else could change our plant's temperature.

Overload 06-16-2011 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18217428)
fyi brainiac, the article is about the results from american scientists..

fyi maniac, i was talking about ppl EXPERIENCING climate change ... ask an old african in sahel zone ... 30 years ago there were girafs and other wild life --- no more ... and 10 years ago the last baobab (that is a tree btw) in that area died due to lack of water ... they SEE their climate change already :2 cents: one does not need to be a scientist ... COČ pushes warming and mankind produces a lot - FACT ... basta

TheSquealer 06-16-2011 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18217827)
sure but some people want to use the idea that global warming is not caused by us and hense, we shouldn't worry about cutting pollution, using cleaner technology, etc.

Don't forget to start killing babies as well. After all, if its such a massive problem with the population at 7 Billion people, its certainly going to be huge at 50 Billion people no matter what pollution you try to cut or what "green" technologies you use.

dyna mo 06-16-2011 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overload (Post 18217303)
footnote: how come even the last bantu in africa SEES the climate change while (mostly) americans refuse to see any change ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overload (Post 18219719)
fyi maniac, i was talking about ppl EXPERIENCING climate change ... ask an old african in sahel zone ... 30 years ago there were girafs and other wild life --- no more ... and 10 years ago the last baobab (that is a tree btw) in that area died due to lack of water ... they SEE their climate change already :2 cents: one does not need to be a scientist ... COČ pushes warming and mankind produces a lot - FACT ... basta

no, you were stereotyping americans as being obtuse to world events, going so far as to suggest the last bantu (?) can see the world more clearly than americans.

PR_Glen 06-16-2011 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18218052)
you're shitting me right? you might want to lay off the idiotic Mel Gibson movies and do some research, google is your friend...
http://www.experiment-resources.com/...astronomy.html


and http://www.starteachastronomy.com/mayan.html

their math was more advanced than the europeans during the dark ages?? STOP THE PRESSES! WHAT A FIND!!!

that was an educational black hole for obvious reasons.. everyone was concerned about living past 20 not doing math problems. The egyptians were far more advanced than them even before the mayans and nobody was claiming they could predict fuck all either...

my argument was against them being able to predict the future, are you seriously arguing against this?

DWB 06-16-2011 08:11 AM

Fuckin' tubes.

seeandsee 06-16-2011 08:12 AM

mini ice age, mini hot age, mini normal age, mini age, mini ice, mini hot, hot ice age... i dont trust them nothing, i just see crazy weather every day, sun, rain, thunders all the shit in cycle for month, fyck

Caligari 06-16-2011 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 18219731)
their math was more advanced than the europeans during the dark ages?? STOP THE PRESSES! WHAT A FIND!!!

that was an educational black hole for obvious reasons.. everyone was concerned about living past 20 not doing math problems. The egyptians were far more advanced than them even before the mayans and nobody was claiming they could predict fuck all either...

my argument was against them being able to predict the future, are you seriously arguing against this?

yes it was a black hole because europeans were one notch above cavemen. they were largely idiots at the time and many of their practices of torture and mayhem for centuries would have made the mayans cringe.

2ndly, i never said the mayans predicted ANYTHING, i was simply pointing out your ignorance of their achievements in the field of ASTRONOMY (read, not ASTROLOGY)

and since you are somehow bringing the egyptians into a comparison shall we go into their many methods of torture and sadism for the gods?

BlackCrayon 06-16-2011 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18219728)
Don't forget to start killing babies as well. After all, if its such a massive problem with the population at 7 Billion people, its certainly going to be huge at 50 Billion people no matter what pollution you try to cut or what "green" technologies you use.

well if you're a retarded caveman, i suppose. those with a brain would use preventative measures to avoid such a mess...

bronco67 06-16-2011 10:28 AM

Invest in North Face bitches!!!!!

rogueteens 06-16-2011 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18217428)
it makes you look like a shithead without much real world experience.

From :1orglaugh an :1orglaugh american!!!!!! :1orglaugh

PR_Glen 06-16-2011 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18219783)
yes it was a black hole because europeans were one notch above cavemen. they were largely idiots at the time and many of their practices of torture and mayhem for centuries would have made the mayans cringe.

2ndly, i never said the mayans predicted ANYTHING, i was simply pointing out your ignorance of their achievements in the field of ASTRONOMY (read, not ASTROLOGY)

and since you are somehow bringing the egyptians into a comparison shall we go into their many methods of torture and sadism for the gods?

blah blah, conquered by the spaniards who were seriously outnumbered and practically got erased from history... Last I checked there's still egyptians around and they don't speak spanish ;)

I'll attack anyone who perpetuates end of the world nonsense, since you don't we should not be arguing semantics..

dynastoned 06-16-2011 10:40 AM

were all gonna die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Persius 06-16-2011 11:12 AM

cool link thanks !

Caligari 06-16-2011 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 18220111)
blah blah, conquered by the spaniards who were seriously outnumbered and practically got erased from history... Last I checked there's still egyptians around and they don't speak spanish ;)

I'll attack anyone who perpetuates end of the world nonsense, since you don't we should not be arguing semantics..

Reality check;)

There are still over a million people who speak Yucatec Maya, and these are people of Mayan descent, so who got erased from history?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucatec_Maya_language

The fact that millions of people today are arguing about whether or not the mayans predicted anything is a testament to their amazing culture.

Fornicating 06-16-2011 11:26 AM

The term Global Warming is used by the media, the proper term has always been Climate Change, and thats whats happening. It was always going to be that parts got hotter and parts got cooler, so nothing much has changed really!


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