Hit an all time low today.. Man, this is tough.
 

In order to have extra cash, I applied for a weekend job, today. A straight normal $14/hr position doing grunt work (and I might get even less than that!) :( It will be good for me, but god damn. It's a dark day in my life.

But I feel good, I'm eating better, I'm sober.. and everything is going great

I just can't believe that I have to go and have a normal persons job in order to afford flyers and new clothing :1orglaugh Being poor is a good lesson - don't ever drink - don't ever get too close to a woman.

If I'd never been close to those two women who caused so much trouble, if I'd never drank, I would still own a home and have several pretty nice used Cadillacs in the driveway and garage.

This will never happen, again. I'm tellin' ya.
Financial freedom is my goal. I am going to eat, sleep, live and breathe it until it happens and beyond. I'm capable of it and all I have to do in order to get it is to WANT IT badly enough!! And now, I do. :thumbsup

Good for you, good luck!

Why do you need flyers?

Do a year atr 14.00/hour, then with that " real work " experience on your resume, search for one paying 18-19.00/hour.
Repeat as you can ...

Been there...
OH I learned the value of a dollar from it that is for sure. Good thing about having nothing is learning how many ways you can twist a dollar:)
Learn from it bud!

Broke as a joke is not fun.
Get well, stay sober and things will look up for ya!

Remember just a little site with minor updates can make ya some cash on the side to:).

i can afford to get drunk and date loose and crazy women...




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So a flyer is a resume? A dollar bill? I feel old.

As soon as you scrape some money together, get a ticket like forklift or something. Not too pricey, doesn't take long, and guarantees the next level up of pay.

He needs to print flyers for his mainstream fear based child protection or recovery business venture. :2 cents:

I have no opinion on it just telling you because you asked twice.

$14 an hour parttime weekends sounds fine. Nothing to sneeze at anyway. Grunt work is refreshing. Hand me a can of paint, a brush, and point at a length of fence and I'm happy. Do good!

:1orglaugh no, don't know what he refers to with " flyers " ... Is he selling something ? .. no idea ....

congrats on getting a job. better than sitting around a hotel and sponging off women.

I think we all have had to do what we have to in order to keep our heads above water at one time or another in our lives. I know I have. It sure brings what is really important in your life to the surface. Be glad that you found that $14 an hour job. :)

I'll never get stuck in employment.. I won't let that happen!!!

Employment happened to me once before in my life, for three months.. Did then what I am doing now, put a little cash together, got out marketing and then left the job

You're all right.. it can be very refreshing, it teaches you the power of money, gives you a new perspective, etc. To someone like me, being employed is rock bottom. Nothing could be worse. I would pretty much rather eat glass or walk around in a pink shirt that says "rapist" on it. I really abhor the very idea of being employed. I hate it. I'd rather be stabbed.

But I am more than willing to do what ever it takes. I'll never take any government money. I'll be employed before I'll do that. Because I would hate that even more!

It's not true that what I am going to sell is "fear based". All of the "training material" they sent advises against selling on fear. It's simply not even allowed. And it is a good solid program. Who else can say they have 1,000,000 children enrolled and nothing has ever happened to any of them? Two of them went missing and both were found. It's preventative as well as proactive in case something does happen. On average 10,000 of every 1,000,000 children goes missing

That is 140$ per day on 10 hour shift or 4 35$ pps :D so make traffic in free time :)

Check the unemployment insurance laws in your state and work until you qualify.

I'm going to try for sixteen hour shifts eight days per month..
These days I suck when it comes to generating traffic.. I know it sucks to work my ass off for the equivalent of a few PPS sales, but, that's where I am at.

$14/hr is actually more than most gfyers make :thumbsup

That attitude is exactly what is fucked up with the world now... everyone is looking to get some freebies at someone else's expense...:2 cents::disgust

People do shit like that. My ex, though hard working, whenever she was laid off she just called some automated thing every two weeks and pressed "I've been looking for X jobs"

She did that for well over a year one time before I knew her

That's ok. Today my bank canceled my home equity line of credit. Even though I have never missed a payment, and in the last 4 months, paid off $15,000 from it.

This means that if I lose my job, I will have a limited number of months to live off my savings. The home equity credit took a lot of stress off of "where will I get money to pay for the house if I have none".

start a offline biz and rank that biotch. trust

what is getting drunk and getting close to crazy women is your biggest hobby?

Am I in some kind of trouble?

If I were to go back to work it'd probably be something like a UPS driver where I can clear $100,000 with over time... And get and stay physically fit while doing it...

Better to stay ahead of the curve and get this kind of shit over with though... Could be much worse! $14 an hour is actually pretty damn nice in this economy.

Good for you man! Nothing wrong with $14 an hour to exercise. Consider it a day at the gym :thumbsup

Good luck man, there is nothing to be ashamed about in doing grunt work or any work you wouldn't normally do to rebuild your reserves. Much better than sitting on your ass feeling sorry for yourself.

You're just one of many at the moment.

I'm glad I never drunk much and the only crazy women I got involved with were always on my terms. Met enough of them.

My brother on the other hand ...........................

He knows enough about divorce laws and protecting what he has in court. He represents himself.

getting a job is an all time low. ok ...............

Congrats on getting a new job :)

Pretty much how I look at it :thumbsup

As a Libertarian, I do agree with you in theory. However, as a capitalist, I think it would stupid to not take advantage of a system that's meant to be exploited. Taking a stand and refusing to file for unemployment would be a neat little thing to do, but it wouldn't make any difference in the grand scheme of things.

Being a libertarian and a pure capitalist is the same thing and a libertarian who is true to his beliefs will not benefit from the acts of aggression committed by the state.:2 cents:

we all pay into unemployment at some point no shame in getting your money back. it's not "using the system."

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There is no shame in buying some kind of insurance, paying your fees and using it if something goes wrong.

There is shame in benefiting from a system that forces people to pay against their will.

Good for you, hope all goes well.

That's a good point. I was going to agree with you but then I thought..

if you live in a "Democracy" by choice, then you inherently accept the will of the majority. Technically (Supposedly) our representatives put SUI in place by majority will. So, the will to live in this system means accepting the majority rules and that would cancel the 'shame' you speak of. Otherwise anyone who dislikes it is free to leave and pursue their own will... and good luck finding any society that will bend to each individuals will for fear of being called shameful.

...sorry to cut in but it just got interesting....

Yeah, kinda like tube site proprietors and those who do business with the same.

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That whole home equity line of credit scam was one of the biggest frauds ever laid on the American public.

Moreover, the banksters who sold the idea that a line of credit was some sort of safety net should be in jail.

Lucky the USA is not a democracy and is a Republic and in theory the government is there to protect the minority from the will of the majority. Meaning no law should be passed that impedes the freedom of the minority. :thumbsup

I'm Chicago, not Austria.

So, are you saying that if person A is forced to pay into a system against his will, it would be shameful for him to take it back if given the opportunity to do so. If so, that's absurd.

9,998 saved from kidnapping , :thumbsup

That's the problem: we don't live in a democracy by choice.

Democracy is great if you want to start a tennis club or something like that. You and other like minded people who are all interested in playing tennis come together and voluntarily decide to start a tennis club. The voluntary members of this club can decide how things will be organized: vote on every decision? elect a president every year or every 4 years? do x to raise y amount of money to buy equipment? do x to raise y amount of money to buy a piece of land or rent a building? etc.

If you as a member of your tennis club don't like the way things are being done, you can always quit the club and maybe even start your own tennis club or apply to join another club.

The important thing here is that membership of the tennis club is voluntary. The tennis club does not force anyone to join. The tennis club does not use force to wipe out other tennis clubs that are located in the same geographical area.

Now if we take a look at the state, we see that the state is nothing more than an organization that has a monopoly on certain services such as protection and arbitration and an organization that forces all people who just happen to be living in a certain area to buy its services.

The fact that the internal structure of this organization (the state) is democratic does not justify the acts of aggression that this organization commits. The state remains an organization that uses force to wipe out the competition, the state remains an organization that forces people to buy its services.

From an ethical point of view this is an act of injustice.

From a utilitarian point of view this is incredibly inefficient. Because there is no competition and people are being forced to pay, the state does not have any incentive to do a good job at the services it claims to provide.

The argument that people are free to leave is invalid since:
A. first of all it does not address the fact that the state has no right to force people to buy ,its services.
B. states are ever growing/expanding institutions. Look at the EU for example. It's impossible to run. Even if you do manage to find a place in some remote part of the world, some democratic state will sooner or later send in troops to "free you and install democracy".

You said you were a libertarian, a capitalist and a follower of the Chicago school, so I presume you are a follower of David Friedman.

Even if you base your position purely on utilitarian/consequentialist grounds and reject the notion of natural or rational rights, you still cannot condone benefiting from acts of aggression because doing so would reject the (100%voluntary exchanges vs some involuntary exchanges) cost-benefit-analysis that David Friedman's capitalist theory essentially is.

First of all, David Friedman is not considered to be part of the Chicago school of thought

Second of all, you guys really do crack me up. And I really don't mean that in a rude way because you do seem like a nice guy. An old roommate of mine was a big Austrian and we used to have these conversations all the time. He was also a big Southpark fan!
Anyway, at least from my standpoint, it's really not imperative that either of you be able to understand realities about the world as they exist and to be able to differentiate between theory and practice.

There's absolutely no shame in an honest day's work. Don't feel ashamed of anything. If you need money and you're willing to work, you're already far ahead of a vast majority of people out there.

I'd like to think that if, for whatever reason, I was unable to provide for my family I wouldn't be too proud to take a McDonald's job if that's all I could find.

Yo Milton! Where my free lunch at?!?

Hell yes, it is, for someone like me. I've ALWAYS made it without being employed. Employment is for people who never got over having parents. An employer is like perpetual parenting.. hand holding. For people who can't make it on their own

I raised myself and never needed an employer. So if I do, for awhile, it is a dark day

But like some people said - nothing to be ashamed of, a hard days work. I love to work, anyway, just hate being employed.

Yeah - everyone wants everything for free

Not me, if I get myself into a bad spot I take responsibility for it and do whatever it might take to fix things. :thumbsup

yah can tell. good luck.

I have no problem at all with fucking the system before it can fuck me.. but if I get into taking handouts of any kind, it's more about the kind of person you become through doing so. It makes people worthless!!

But then again, while I won't take a handout, give me a clean shot at fucking the system out of some money and .. :winkwink: