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Paul Markham 06-22-2012 04:03 AM

Why online porn is a dying industry.
 
Add to these the 100s of small ones. The value of this traffic is shit compared to 2005 or even 2000. Someone recently told us it was worth $10 for 20,000 could be him trying to sell his ad selling business model, could be true. What we do know is if all you can get out of 20,000 consumers is $10. Then the industry is fucked.

Someone can come in and take a stab at what these figures mean in real terms. Or poke fun or blame it on piracy. It is as it is and this is where porn is today.

And asking someone to change his business model and put his staff out of work to save your ass is pointless.

vdbucks 06-22-2012 04:10 AM

Instead of sitting around moping every day and screaming 'the sky is falling the sky is falling' how about doing something about it? Our sites get less than 20k uniques a day and we're making a shit load more than $10.

We made double in 2010 that me made in 2009. Then we doubled that in 2011. And we're projecting that we'll be making nearly double what we made in 2011 this year.

You know what we don't do? We don't sit around crying and moaning and bitching. Yes, things are harder now than they were in 2006 when we started. But that just means we work harder now. And the end result is that, even though things are more difficult now, we're making more money now than we ever thought possible in 2006.

Create a product worth paying for, and people will pay for it. Do everything you can to protect that product and minimize the effect piracy can have on your business, and make money.

Or, just sit around bitching and moaning every day about the sky is falling in the porn industry.

wehateporn 06-22-2012 04:11 AM

Don't be late Damian...


NewNick 06-22-2012 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19018494)



Can I join in ?

:1orglaugh

B.Barnato 06-22-2012 07:20 AM

This is probably the best thread I have ever read.

Thank you Paul.

jimmycooper 06-22-2012 07:21 AM

There are other types of traffic which are more valuable.

scuba steve 06-22-2012 07:27 AM

the online porn expert, all your sites you run

Wizzo 06-22-2012 07:28 AM

Funny, to me those sites don't look like they are dying at all?

Colmike9 06-22-2012 07:28 AM

Learn how to 'sell' and you'll be fine....

Sly 06-22-2012 07:31 AM

$10 off of 20,000 impressions is $.50 cpm. Set up a leaderboard, maybe a text link, and a cube or two and you drop all the way to $.10-.20 cpm for a given ad. Traffic is selling for more than that.

Brokers… Feel free to correct my math!

mmaisonet 06-22-2012 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19018744)
Learn how to 'sell' and you'll be fine....

:thumbsup

wehateporn 06-22-2012 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 19018723)
Can I join in ?

:1orglaugh

You'll need to ask Paul :winkwink:

sperbonzo 06-22-2012 07:41 AM

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Tijuana_Tom 06-22-2012 08:06 AM

Well as wrong as he is about Online Porn being a Dying Industry he is right about the tube sites.

Bugbee 06-22-2012 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 19018493)
Instead of sitting around moping every day and screaming 'the sky is falling the sky is falling' how about doing something about it? Our sites get less than 20k uniques a day and we're making a shit load more than $10.

We made double in 2010 that me made in 2009. Then we doubled that in 2011. And we're projecting that we'll be making nearly double what we made in 2011 this year.

You know what we don't do? We don't sit around crying and moaning and bitching. Yes, things are harder now than they were in 2006 when we started. But that just means we work harder now. And the end result is that, even though things are more difficult now, we're making more money now than we ever thought possible in 2006.

Create a product worth paying for, and people will pay for it. Do everything you can to protect that product and minimize the effect piracy can have on your business, and make money.

Or, just sit around bitching and moaning every day about the sky is falling in the porn industry.


nuff said! :thumbsup

DVTimes 06-22-2012 08:08 AM

bump 4 paul .................................

NerdScott 06-22-2012 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19018490)

And asking someone to change his business model and put his staff out of work to save your ass is pointless.

hilarious :1orglaugh

Paul Markham 06-22-2012 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 19018731)
There are other types of traffic which are more valuable.

Where do you think this traffic came from?

That was my point, suppose I should of made it clearer.

No industry can lose that much traffic to free sites and not take a massive hit. Not just porn any product will see sales revenue plummet when 100s of millions can get it for free. These people used to buy porn, back in the day when 1,000 clicks on a link was worth $100s it's now worth $10. Assuming you can get that. I was using Nextri's figures which we might assume were him spamming his traffic. Maybe other traffic people can tell us what bulk traffic coming off a tube is worth.

And what's the chance of Mr average affiliate ever being able to afford to get into these levels of traffic? slim to none, the business has left a lot behind.

We always thought traffic was a bottomless pit and because of that the more traffic we got the more sales we made. Traffic from rich countries isn't bottomless, with buyers definitely we reached the bottom and now it's just a fight to get a sale off the other guy 99% of the time. Argue with 99% you still know what I mean.

We sell predominately to a limited number of countries. They have slowed down on new connections and most of them are not rushing online to buy porn today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NerdScott (Post 19018907)
hilarious :1orglaugh

It would be if it wasn't heard every day and the only way for most to save their asses.

DWB 06-22-2012 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19018494)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

epitome 06-22-2012 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scuba steve (Post 19018739)
the online porn expert, all your sites you run

Stop it. We all know Bang Bros is ran from a spare bedroom and not sweet offices on Washington in the heart of South Beach.

L-Pink 06-22-2012 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19018494)

That is hilarious !!!

nico-t 06-22-2012 09:52 AM

Thanks for another repetitive thread Paul. Nobody has ever heard this same shit story before.

Are you getting senile or something? I think you just don't remember making 1000's of exactly the same threads and posts, because nobody can be this dense.

jimmycooper 06-22-2012 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19018936)
Where do you think this traffic came from?

That was my point, suppose I should of made it clearer.

No industry can lose that much traffic to free sites and not take a massive hit. Not just porn any product will see sales revenue plummet when 100s of millions can get it for free. These people used to buy porn, back in the day when 1,000 clicks on a link was worth $100s it's now worth $10. Assuming you can get that. I was using Nextri's figures which we might assume were him spamming his traffic. Maybe other traffic people can tell us what bulk traffic coming off a tube is worth.

And what's the chance of Mr average affiliate ever being able to afford to get into these levels of traffic? slim to none, the business has left a lot behind.

We always thought traffic was a bottomless pit and because of that the more traffic we got the more sales we made. Traffic from rich countries isn't bottomless, with buyers definitely we reached the bottom and now it's just a fight to get a sale off the other guy 99% of the time. Argue with 99% you still know what I mean.

We sell predominately to a limited number of countries. They have slowed down on new connections and most of them are not rushing online to buy porn today.



It would be if it wasn't heard every day and the only way for most to save their asses.

Traffic is not a bottomless pit. Not by any means. And I really don't give a fuck about what things were way back when. Totally irrelevant. What I do know is that in 2012 I can get a $30 cpm for some traffic, a $13 cpm for some traffic, and a $2 cpm for some traffic. So I just do what I need to do to make things be the way they need to be.

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BAKO 06-22-2012 10:22 AM

STFU Paul, I make more money each year. Only idiots like u can't

CPA37710T 06-22-2012 10:24 AM

this subject is so boring already, it isnt dying, not at all... it is for those who thought their techniques were going to last forever, this is a fun business where you should stay creative all the way!

Colmike9 06-22-2012 10:29 AM

Some people think the industry is dying because the techniques and content from the 90s no longer draws in customers (except maybe micro niche..) and competition is harder..

"Adapt or die"

AdultKing 06-22-2012 10:32 AM

Paul Markham talking down the very industry that put food on his table. Who would have thought ? :321GFY

scuba steve 06-22-2012 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19018989)
Stop it. We all know Bang Bros is ran from a spare bedroom and not sweet offices on Washington in the heart of South Beach.

its all smoke and mirrors

TampaToker 06-22-2012 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 19018493)
Instead of sitting around moping every day and screaming 'the sky is falling the sky is falling' how about doing something about it? Our sites get less than 20k uniques a day and we're making a shit load more than $10.

We made double in 2010 that me made in 2009. Then we doubled that in 2011. And we're projecting that we'll be making nearly double what we made in 2011 this year.

You know what we don't do? We don't sit around crying and moaning and bitching. Yes, things are harder now than they were in 2006 when we started. But that just means we work harder now. And the end result is that, even though things are more difficult now, we're making more money now than we ever thought possible in 2006.

Create a product worth paying for, and people will pay for it. Do everything you can to protect that product and minimize the effect piracy can have on your business, and make money.

Or, just sit around bitching and moaning every day about the sky is falling in the porn industry.

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/409/508...ner-786159.jpg

Sly 06-22-2012 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19018989)
Stop it. We all know Bang Bros is ran from a spare bedroom and not sweet offices on Washington in the heart of South Beach.

Spare bedroom would be an upgrade. They are old-school.

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/i...962fd21b/l.jpg

CaptainHowdy 06-22-2012 10:50 AM

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nikki99 06-22-2012 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19018494)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

epitome 06-22-2012 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scuba steve (Post 19019073)
its all smoke and mirrors

Is this confirmation that Bang Bus isn't real?

Holy shit, this is HUGE!

Jakez 06-22-2012 10:55 AM

http://i.imgur.com/1F5A8.jpg

epitome 06-22-2012 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19019077)
Spare bedroom would be an upgrade. They are old-school.

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/i...962fd21b/l.jpg

I've heard that Jordan's office is in the second row and Steve's in the third. Amazing that together they can run so many sites.

And using Paul Markham logic, since they're the only two that pop into here, they must be the only one's in the company.

vdbucks 06-22-2012 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19019097)
I've heard that Jordan's office is in the second row and Steve's in the third. Amazing that together they can run so many sites from a shitty shared GPRS connection.

And using Paul Markham logic, since they're the only two that pop into here, they must be the only one's in the company.

Touched that up for ya :winkwink:

Sly 06-22-2012 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19019097)
I've heard that Jordan's office is in the second row and Steve's in the third. Amazing that together they can run so many sites.

And using Paul Markham logic, since they're the only two that pop into here, they must be the only one's in the company.

Of course, they don't even have a toilet.

epitome 06-22-2012 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 19019098)
Touched that up for ya :winkwink:

I was like ?????? and then I re-read it 3 times and was :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

epitome 06-22-2012 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19019110)
Of course, they don't even have a toilet.

Eukervoon or whatever his name is brings his girls by three times a day. They don't need a toilet. :Oh crap

vdbucks 06-22-2012 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19019113)
I was like ?????? and then I re-read it 3 times and was :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I'm sneaky like that :P

free6xtube 06-22-2012 11:06 AM

I agree, stop fucking complaining and work harder, i work 16h per day 7 days aweek, i dont even have a social life and the little i have i try to relax as mutch as possible.
But I belive that there are money to make on porn, and as long people have a need for this product, then there will be money to make, just need to have a good product and they will pay.....

Tijuana_Tom 06-22-2012 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19018989)
Stop it. We all know Bang Bros is ran from a spare bedroom and not sweet offices on Washington in the heart of South Beach.

Bang Bros became a mainstream icon of the porn industry.

NOBODY has ever received that much publicity aside from Girls Gone Wild.

The content would have been extremely popular if launched today but i'd love to see and compare stats if that were to happen.

A LOT of companies who used to have badass offices have had to downscale, sell, or just shutdown.

You can't deny that.

epitome 06-22-2012 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom (Post 19019131)
Bang Bros became a mainstream icon of the porn industry.

NOBODY has ever received that much publicity aside from Girls Gone Wild.

The content would have been extremely popular if launched today but i'd love to see and compare stats if that were to happen.

A LOT of companies who used to have badass offices have had to downscale, sell, or just shutdown.

You can't deny that.

The only companies that had to do that are the one's that did not pay attention to their P&L or did not move with the market. There are companies growing and acquiring every single day and it's not just the Manwin's.

jimmycooper 06-22-2012 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom (Post 19019131)
Bang Bros became a mainstream icon of the porn industry.

NOBODY has ever received that much publicity aside from Girls Gone Wild.

The content would have been extremely popular if launched today but i'd love to see and compare stats if that were to happen.

A LOT of companies who used to have badass offices have had to downscale, sell, or just shutdown.

You can't deny that.

Vivid. Easily the best company in the history of the industry.

2MuchMark 06-22-2012 12:48 PM

Online Porn is not dying at all. Check this out:

http://2much.net/gfy/porn-trends-2mu...camnetwork.jpg

Go to http://google.com/trends and look up PORN or any other keyword.

In the screenshot above you can clearly see that more and more people are search for online porn.

So if more people are searching for porn, why are some people in the industry suffering?

- Tube sites and high distribution of pirated content?
- More competition?
- Poor quality content?
- Bad business practices / low personal motivation / laziness?

My guess is all of the above, and more. It's EASY to complain about the industry and easy to get discouraged, and harder to do something about it.

scuba steve 06-22-2012 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19019097)
I've heard that Jordan's office is in the second row and Steve's in the third. Amazing that together they can run so many sites.

And using Paul Markham logic, since they're the only two that pop into here, they must be the only one's in the company.

really sucks when our laptops die or the modem connection goes out. thank god miami beach has public wifi for us to do things on.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19019242)
Online Porn is not dying at all. Check this out:

http://2much.net/gfy/porn-trends-2mu...camnetwork.jpg

Go to http://google.com/trends and look up PORN or any other keyword.

In the screenshot above you can clearly see that more and more people are search for online porn.

So if more people are searching for porn, why are some people in the industry suffering?

- Tube sites and high distribution of pirated content?
- More competition?
- Poor quality content?
- Bad business practices / low personal motivation / laziness?

My guess is all of the above, and more. It's EASY to complain about the industry and easy to get discouraged, and harder to do something about it.


epitome 06-22-2012 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scuba steve (Post 19019249)
really sucks when our laptops die or the modem connection goes out. thank god miami beach has public wifi for us to do things on.

Laptops? Nice try. I know you two have to sit at the public library to update the sites.

The public library is no place for Internet porn. There. I said it. ... even First Amendment advocates are tired of seeing you update Haze Him from the library!

nikki99 06-22-2012 01:32 PM

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