Baseball fans .... Miguel Cabrera triple crown?
 

Is it gonna happen?


Only a couple days left in the season and he leads the AL in HRs / RBIs / Avg.


Holy fuck.

Even if he does Trout is the MVP in my mind. more Runs, SBs and = in average. RBI relies on your team and position in batting order. With Trout in the lineup the Angels have as many wins as Detroit too.

Triple crown is nice but the RBI part is beyond a hitters control. If the guys batting in front of you are not on base due to very strong or weak hitting it doesn't matter what you do at bat you can't knock in someone that's not there.

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While that may be true. I mean c'mon man, triple fucking crown

True. A lot of stats are based around actions the player has no control of. No hitters for example.. totally dependent on team defense.

I personally like Trout, there's nothing that guy can't do.

Trouts having a MONSTER season. Leading the AL by 20+ runs and a ball hair away from 30/50 HRs/SBs and 2nd to Cabrera in the AL in average. But with Detroit going to the post season it will go to Cabrera. Trout's combo of power, speed and his young age he's going to be a marquis player for the next 10+ years.


Was amazed to scroll through MLBs stats and see Cabrera tops in the big 3. Last Triple Crown winner was Yaztrezemski in 1967. 45 years is a pretty incredible wait for this if it happens. Which could only be trumped by a Cubs World Series win**

**maybe next year ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_L..._Crown#Batting

I think he will do it an I hope he does. I was not alive the last time it happened so it would be cool to see it happen.

If he does it I think he will win the MVP. Trout is amazing and has had a monster year especially considering he was in the minors for the first month of the season, but the Cabrera is leading his team into the playoffs and it will be hard to deny a triple crown winner the MVP.

how can you say RBis mean nothing and runs do when that is based a lot on people hitting you in LOL, It is the same thing. If you have guys that cannot hit behind you at the end of the year you will have scored less runs. Of course stealing bases helps get your ass in but so does getting a hit when it means more like having runners on base. It goes both ways

He ain't gonna get it...

If Trout played in the AL Central he might very well have the triple Crown himself. The Tigers face 3 shit teams and the Sox who have a hitter friendly park almost half the season. The Angels face Texas, Oakland and Seattle WAY better competition. Guess which team has more wins? The Angels. What Cabrera has done hasn't been done in 45 years. What Trout has done has NEVER been done. Its that simple. $50 to anyone that thinks Cabrera wins the MVP. I will take Trout.

Also Trout has a 10.7 WAR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wins_above_replacement) 3.1 above second place Cano. WAR is a sabermetric way to compare the value of a player (pitcher or hitter) to a team above a replacement from the minors. 10.7 is literally out of this world. The triple crown is amazing but its really just a made up award with three arbitrary stat categories.

OPS is solely a hitting stat. WAR takes defence into the equation. The fact that Trout is a Gold Glove winning CF and Cabrera is a sub par fielding 3rd basemen is important in my mind.

Has there ever been a Triple Crown winner NOT get MVP? I don't know enough about baseball history to know. That said, I think in a perfect world, Trout would get it for all-around goodness. One of the best at his position, one of the best base-runners and on top of that putting up the kind of hitting #s that have some years been good enough for MVP. I doubt he'll get it though if Miguel wins Triple Crown.

NFL is on, who the fuck cares? Baseball is for fat, lazy, CHUMPS.

Trout can suck a dick, Buster Posey was the best rookie ever, and he'll probably get NL MVP this year after we win the World Series again....

NFL is only on 3 days a week fool...

Us American sheep need our sports fix 24/7... lol

I've been having this argument with my Dad. I can't see how Cabrera is not the MVP especially with a triple crown. Seems like a no brainer. I know people love the WAR stat but Triple Crown is a Triple Crown!

After Trout gets a swipe tonight he will be one of three members of the 30HR 50SB club EVER. Ignore the fact he is going to win a Gold Glove. Ignore the fact he didnt play until April 28, 20 or so games into the season. Ignore the fact the Angels have as many wins with Trout in the lineup as the Tigers do all season. Just based on 30-50 (if he gets it) he is more impressive than a Triple Crown (One Triple crown winner was Barry Bonds - probably on steroids). 30-50 is 30-50 EVERY season. There is no standard for a Triple Crown in terms of numbers. 15 people have won triple crowns in MLB history. It will be close but if you take everything into account Trout had the better season in my mind.

Absolutely. :thumbsup

I kinda stopped watching baseball when my RedSox traded their team away lol. It would be cool to see a triple crown though ;)

Can't get the MVP if your team doesn't make the playoffs, it's just not going to happen especially when the primary competition is inline to get the triple crown. Trout is almost a lock for player of the year though, still a big accomplishment. The kid is a stud, but no way he wins out MVP over Cabrera.

I guess hoping the voters realize that the Angels are in a better division, by far, and have a better record (even though they were 6 - 14 without Trout) is too much to ask for. I am shocked that any baseball fans would disagree with this. Its not even a debate in my mind, What Trout did could go down as one of the finest position player seasons of all time. If he doesnt win the MVP the voters got it wrong.

you have your facts a little backwards there, Barry Bonds is a 30 / 50 man, not a triple crown winner.

2 people have hit 30 homers and stolen 50 bases in one season over the last 25 years, NO ONE has won the triple crown in 45 years.

also, 12 of the 15 triple crown winners were pre 1950. You can't compare the game today to back then, as the stolen base leader for the entire league often stole 20 bags total and players didn't take big leads. The triple crown was more achievable for elite hitters back then because baseball fields were way bigger, only the elite hitter could hit it out! for example, Before renovations, the old Yankee Stadium was 457 feet to the wall in center field, now it is 408 feet.

no chance in hell, he has him killed in every real category. runs mean shit, any lead off hitter leads the league in those on a +500 team. SB's? come one, its the american league.. rajai davis is in the 2 spot and he hasn't even started most of the season.. worthless in the AL.

when a player does something that hasn't been done since 1967? hands down mvp.. the definition of the word. the only reason people like trout for mvp is because he's the new kid on the block and cabbrera has a dark past off the field.

no player in history has won an mvp title that wasn't up there in rbi's so this argument is completely invalid.. mvp's get hits when it matters, not because they have more chances..

I don't think anyone would discredit what Trout has done this year, the kid is nails, but the pool would have to be pretty thin for a player on a non playoff team to get the MVP. Right or wrong, it rarely happens, especially when a team as stacked as the Angels can't get it done in a season where they added another wild card slot.

Do you understand this?

30-50 club - 3 players EVER
Triple Crown - 15 players EVER

Does that calculate? He has him killed in every category? Which categories are that? Fielding percentage? WAR, OPS are almost identical, BA, almost identical. Hardly killed. One is a lead off hitter and one is bats 3rd. RBIs do not come as easy for leadoff hitters. Runs Trout has him slaughtered. SBs is not even close 49 - 0. If you understand WAR as hardcore baseball fanatics do 10.7 is Godlike. We are talking Barry Bonds on roids here. The fact that he is 20 is irrelevant he simply had a better season and is more valuable to his team. Again I will repeat so you get it all in one post. Harder division, Harder schedule, Less games, Better stats.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...asuring-value/

Read the whole thing. Its just one perspective but it is one I agree with. I can find more. If Cabrera gets the triple crown he may very well win the MVP. I just disagree with the decision if he does.

Not true. It's more rare for a winner to have a low RBI total. but does happen.

1950 - Phi Rizzuto / 66 RBIs
1960 - Dick Groat / 50 RBIs
1962 - Maury Wills / 48 RBIs
1965 - Zoilo Versalles / 77 RBIs
1973 - Pete Rose / 64 RBIs
1988 - Kirk Gibson / 76 RBIs
1990 - Rickey Henderson / 61 RBIs
1995 - Barry Larkin / 66 RBIs
2001 - Ichiro Suzuki / 69 RBIs
2008 - Dustin Pedroia / 83 RBIs




Not counting all the pitchers that have won it with no RBIs ;) If anything it's nice to have something exciting to talk about in baseball.

With the Angels not going to the post season, even with Trout's monster season it will be highly unlikely he'd win. If the tables were turned and the Angels were in the post season and Cabrera still winning the Triple Crown and the Tigers NOT making the playoffs now THAT would be a close decision..


Other 30/50 players (I forgot both those guys accomplished it)

1987 - Eric Davis ........ 37 HR / 50 SB
1990 - Barry Bonds .... 33 HR / 52 SB



Seeing a Rickey Henderson like player in this era is fantastic. Henderson was breaking out 20/80 seasons when it was thought impossible and was a hair away from 30 HR/60 SB+. Power and speed. Trout's CS numbers are sick ... 49 successful SBs and only caught 4 times. Really hope he stays healthy and effective. Seasons like this may bring too much pressure on him at that young age.


Besides the 40/40 guys: Soriano, Rodriguez, Bonds and Conseco there have been overlooked incredible seasons.


For example:
1997 - Larry Walker 49 HR/ 33 SB


Rare Baseball Stats Here

Josh Hamilton will beat him in home runs :)

Yes. Since the modern MVP Award arrived (from the Baseball Writers Association in 1931) there's only been Nine Batting Triple Crown Winners. Of those 9, 4 didn't win the MVP that year.



1933 - Chuck Klein (Triple Crown) / Carl Hubbell (MVP) **
1933 - Jimmie Foxx (Triple Crown & MVP)
1934 - Lou Gehrig (Triple Crown) / Mickey Cochrane (MVP) **
1937 - Joe Medwick (Triple Crown & MVP)
1942 - Ted Williams (Triple Crown) / Joe Gordon (MVP) **
1956 - Mickey Mantle (Triple Crown & MVP)
1966 - Frank Robinson (Triple Crown & MVP)
1967 - Carl Yastrzemski (Triple Crown & MVP)
1947 - Ted Williams (Triple Crown) / Joe DiMaggio (MVP) **


** Triple Crown Winner did not win MVP

I'm going to go with yes. That guy is awesome.

Do you understand this?

In the Last 45 years

30-50 club - 2 players
Triple Crown - 0 players

in the last 25 years

30-50 club - 2 players
Triple Crown - 0 players EVER

quit comparing 2012 to 1942, in the years when guys were winning triple crowns, the stolen base leader for the entire league was averaging 25 steals a year, Today (over the last 20 years) that number is 65 SB's, in the 80's the average was over 90 SB's a year for the leader (in both the AL and NL)

in the modern era, which I consider the time since Paul Markham started shooting, 2 people went 30-50, 0 won the triple crown, it is hands down a bigger accomplishment.

I should add, I think Trout is pretty awesome and I am not a Detroit fan, I just think the triple crown is the ultimate goal for a player, even bigger than a perfect game.

I would like to jump in here and just say that I personally think Wade Miley of the Diamondbacks should get rookie of the year.

He wasn't even supposed to be in the lineup last spring and became our only player on the all start team.

LOL,

That sir, is GOLD

Too much hype on harper but I do like Wade. Good young pitcher. Lets hope he does not follow the path of his teamate D Hud

Once he finishes the day with Triple Crown, no possible way he is not awarded the MVP. Anything short of the triple crown and obviously Trout gets MVP, but the baseball gods will have Cabrera walking on water which is deserved with a triple crown.

baseball nerd categories mean fuck all for mvp votes... writers don't give a shit about the movie moneyball.

canseco did it yes but he hit over 40 homeruns that year and was up there for rbi's too so comparing that to trout is ridiculous. rickey henderson had 130 stolen bases in a season and was no where near mvp that year despite a high average and rbi's for a lead off man.

and i'm a bigger ball fan than you.. so don't pull that bullshit.. west isn't a harder division, if he was in the east i would give you that... but just barely..

1. He is the first player in Major League history to combine at least 45 steals with 30 homers and 125 runs in one season. As in the ONLY ONE IN HISTORY. Modern era, old era and even the ancient Egyptian era.
2. How would you know who is a bigger fan - you do not know me.
3. West is harder - its not a debate its a fact. MIN, KC and CLE are bottom 10 teams in the league and CHI would be last in the West. 3 of 4 teams were in the wild card race until this weekend. Its simply not debatable but good on you for trying.
4. Trout is not only an SB threat. He is an all around player. Its not like he is 30 HR behind Cabrera. Normalized over 162 game season he is 9 HR behind Cabrera.
5. He is a leadoff hitter and he has none of the protection Cabrera does. Howie Kendrick, Ayabar, Izturis and Wells batting before or after him most of the season vs. Fielder, Boesch and Young consistently batting before and after him. That is not even in the realm of being close to the same protection in the order.

You guys can love Cab for a great season. Trout is still better this year. Regardless of the MVP votes.

There it is .... Miguel Cabrera = Triple Crown Winner

For a minute I thought Granderson was going to erupt and spoil it.

Congrats to Miggy. From what I understand he is a good guy and clearly he is one hell of a hitter.

From his twitter: Polished these off as a victory celebration

http://i.imgur.com/TigVR.jpg

Imagine that for a spoiler

Both guys had great years. One thing to remember about Trout is that east coast guys didn't get to see much of him. For example I felt I saw a lot more exposure and coverage on Harper than Trout. So I've known about Cabrera killing it all year long.

I think the MVP race is going to come down to the following numbers.

Mike Trout in September
.257 Avg
21 runs
5 HR
6 RBIs
.835 obs

Cabrera in September
.308
22 Runs
10 Home Runs
27 RBIs
1.032 OBS

One guy helped his team come back and get into the playoffs and the other didn't. That is what an MVP does imo. He steps up when it's time to step up.

I agree completely. When you look at the stats Trout slowed down the last two months of the season. If he wasn't in the lineup the Angels still finish 3rd or 4th in the AL West and don't make the playoffs. Meanwhile Cabrera led his team to the playoffs. Without him they don't make the playoffs.

:1orglaugh funny post

i actually pay attention to baseball, but i do not get more heavily into it until playoff times.

I think the bigger question this year is how the hell did Barry Zito win 15 games and Cliff Lee and Tim Lincecum combine to win only 16?