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edgeprod 12-24-2013 10:57 AM

Cooling rack-based equipment
 
Server guys, your time to shine!

For racks of bare components (motherboards, video cards, power supplies), what are some good cooling methods? Can I make the rack out of thick aluminum? The video cards are already on risers, and the machines are built into milk crates for airflow, but the footprint is sub-optimal. I want to be able to put them in racks that maximize cooling while minimizing square footage in the data center cage (which is how I am billed).

Any and all suggestions welcome.

American Psycho 12-24-2013 01:11 PM

Pour cold water on it.

SplitInfinity 12-24-2013 02:06 PM

Submerge boards and power supplies in non-conductive cooling oil. That's how lots of the bitcoin miners are doing it. We have a rig here with a radiator cycling oil through it and the tank has many many ASIC miners.

livexxx 12-24-2013 02:48 PM

Rack vertically and have the floor tile off to allow the air in, also put vents on the side to suck the neighbours cool air in

FlowerKid 12-24-2013 05:59 PM

Why do you need video cards in servers?

Zeiss 12-24-2013 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FlowerKid (Post 19922005)
Why do you need video cards in servers?

Yes, it's possible to run xserver without a graphics card :1orglaugh

edgeprod 12-24-2013 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by American Psycho (Post 19921705)
Pour cold water on it.

I'm going to pass on that, thank you though.


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Originally Posted by SplitInfinity (Post 19921748)
Submerge boards and power supplies in non-conductive cooling oil. That's how lots of the bitcoin miners are doing it. We have a rig here with a radiator cycling oil through it and the tank has many many ASIC miners.

This is a great idea, thank you very much. I'm going to see how feasible this is (datacenter may not want liquids in proximity to other machines).


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Originally Posted by livexxx (Post 19921780)
Rack vertically and have the floor tile off to allow the air in, also put vents on the side to suck the neighbours cool air in

This is what we're doing right now. It's slowing the graphics cards down to be as warm as they are. With just a couple of machines, it's fine, but when you start adding more, it just gets to the point where it's too warm. I want to solve the problem before it really becomes one.


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Originally Posted by FlowerKid (Post 19922005)
Why do you need video cards in servers?

They're not servers. Each machine has three Radeon R9 290 4GB GDDR5 in it, all running 24/7, all overclocked. The oldest machines have Radeon 7950's, but I am phasing those out (anyone buying 7950 cards?) in favor of the 290's (650 kH/s versus 850 kH/s).


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Originally Posted by Zealotry (Post 19922039)
Yes, it's possible to run xserver without a graphics card :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh -- I've seen people try to install cgminer on server-based Linux platforms, forgetting that they need the X components. Hilarity ensued.

freecartoonporn 12-24-2013 10:05 PM

hope this helps.


http://i.imgur.com/pCLRqiG.jpg

btw how many gh/s you getting? or is it th/s ?

edgeprod 12-24-2013 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by freecartoonporn (Post 19922135)
hope this helps.


http://i.imgur.com/pCLRqiG.jpg

btw how many gh/s you getting? or is it th/s ?

All joking aside, fans like that worked up to a certain point for me.

johnnyloadproductions 12-24-2013 10:40 PM

What are you planning to do?

Glad to see you try new things...

Hope it's not mining http://m.techspot.com/news/55111-ins...n-iceland.html

edgeprod 12-24-2013 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions (Post 19922157)
What are you planning to do?

Glad to see you try new things...

Hope it's not mining http://m.techspot.com/news/55111-ins...n-iceland.html

New things? Where do you get that from?

And who the fuck mines Bitcoins anymore?

johnnyloadproductions 12-24-2013 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19922170)
New things? Where do you get that from?

And who the fuck mines Bitcoins anymore?

The people in the story I linked to :1orglaugh

Have a merry christmas

edgeprod 12-24-2013 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions (Post 19922175)
The people in the story I linked to :1orglaugh

Have a merry christmas

Haha, fair point! I should rephrase: who the fuck GPU-mines Bitcoin anymore? Idiots, that's who.

When ASICs arrived, that shit shut down.

DAMNMAN 12-25-2013 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SplitInfinity (Post 19921748)
Submerge boards and power supplies in non-conductive cooling oil. That's how lots of the bitcoin miners are doing it. We have a rig here with a radiator cycling oil through it and the tank has many many ASIC miners.

We looked at this option, but some cables and wiring are melted by mineral oil. Also Harddrives need to be kept out of it. Resale of components is impossible after being submerged in mineral oil. Fluorine inert liquid is prohibitively expensive.
Etc........

DAMNMAN 12-25-2013 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by FlowerKid (Post 19922005)
Why do you need video cards in servers?

Yer, joking right?

DAMNMAN 12-25-2013 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Zealotry (Post 19922039)
Yes, it's possible to run xserver without a graphics card :1orglaugh

It ain't possible to mine LTC without video card unless you use FPAC and ASIC ain't available yet.

edgeprod 12-25-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DAMNMAN (Post 19922466)
We looked at this option, but some cables and wiring are melted by mineral oil. Also Harddrives need to be kept out of it. Resale of components is impossible after being submerged in mineral oil. Fluorine inert liquid is prohibitively expensive.
Etc........

That's what I found when I looked into it yesterday also. A shame, but it seems like a dead end, at least right now.

Grapesoda 12-25-2013 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19921562)
Server guys, your time to shine!

For racks of bare components (motherboards, video cards, power supplies), what are some good cooling methods? Can I make the rack out of thick aluminum? The video cards are already on risers, and the machines are built into milk crates for airflow, but the footprint is sub-optimal. I want to be able to put them in racks that maximize cooling while minimizing square footage in the data center cage (which is how I am billed).

Any and all suggestions welcome.

how about a cabinet with AC?

edgeprod 12-25-2013 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19922755)
how about a cabinet with AC?

The form-factor is weird, sadly.

Grapesoda 12-25-2013 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19922764)
The form-factor is weird, sadly.

that's too bad... get a rather larger fridge for $1700

put the HD's in the freezer and the rest in the fridge :)

http://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-GX5F...s=refrigerator

rowan 12-25-2013 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAMNMAN (Post 19922466)
We looked at this option, but some cables and wiring are melted by mineral oil. Also Harddrives need to be kept out of it. Resale of components is impossible after being submerged in mineral oil. Fluorine inert liquid is prohibitively expensive.
Etc........

The other thing to be aware of with liquid is possible wicking, where the oil travels along the cable (against gravity) and ends up depositing itself at the other end... in your power supply, ethernet switch, etc.

One cooling method I am currently experimenting with is fast moving fresh air. Filtered inlet at ground level, m/b and GPUs in a sealed box, big-ass fan exhausting out via the roof space. The idea being that even with high outside ambient temps the airflow is still sufficient to draw the heat away from the GPUs. As a bonus it means you do not need to cool the entire room. (Obviously this sort of thing is not possible in a data centre.)

rowan 12-25-2013 06:23 PM

One other thought. Is the D/C going to be happy about letting you install extreme heat producing equipment that you've self-assembled into a milk crate?

DAMNMAN 12-25-2013 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DAMNMAN (Post 19922470)
It ain't possible to mine LTC without video card unless you use FPAC and ASIC ain't available yet.

Mistype FPGA

DAMNMAN 12-25-2013 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rowan (Post 19922782)
The other thing to be aware of with liquid is possible wicking, where the oil travels along the cable (against gravity) and ends up depositing itself at the other end... in your power supply, ethernet switch, etc.

One cooling method I am currently experimenting with is fast moving fresh air. Filtered inlet at ground level, m/b and GPUs in a sealed box, big-ass fan exhausting out via the roof space. The idea being that even with high outside ambient temps the airflow is still sufficient to draw the heat away from the GPUs. As a bonus it means you do not need to cool the entire room. (Obviously this sort of thing is not possible in a data centre.)

This is the best path we've found so far as well. = No Data Center

Due 12-25-2013 06:55 PM

Your datacenter should be able to supply sufficient cooling, you just need to design it so air can flow.
If you have airflow it might be better with less airspace since it well be easier to maintain the flow.
Look on eBay or similar for refurbished server hardware, you can buy some older units cheaper than what the chassis would cost you.
I know in the past people that was looking for GPU power used a modified PlayStation (or possible Xbox can't remember).

edgeprod 12-26-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rowan (Post 19922785)
One other thought. Is the D/C going to be happy about letting you install extreme heat producing equipment that you've self-assembled into a milk crate?

They weren't crazy about it when I first started, but became more comfortable the more bills that got paid on time. :thumbsup

Looking at two different data centers now, so I'm going to have to do the whole song-and-dance again, it looks like. Not using milk carts in the new data centers, though, looking at using these:

https://openrigs.com/arianna-grid-gpu-frame


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