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Paul Markham 04-03-2017 05:57 AM

Can Trump improve the situation with North Korea?
 
Trump ready to 'solve' North Korea problem without China

Quote:

US President Donald Trump has said the United States will "solve" the nuclear threat from North Korea, with or without China's help.

"If China is not going to solve North Korea, we will. That is all I am telling you," he said in an interview with UK newspaper the Financial Times.

Pressed on whether he thought he could succeed alone, he replied: "Totally."

Mr Trump was speaking ahead of a scheduled visit from Chinese President Xi Jinping this week.
So far under all the preceding Presidents, North Korea has grown as a military threat and the Presidents did nothing to stop it. Now North Korea is on the verge of developing missiles that can hit Japan and eventually the US. It has been on the front foot militarily even to the extent of sinking Sout h Korean vessels. So before the Liberals start condemning Trump, he's doing something others ignored and even promoted.

The US's biggest weapon over China is trade. Do to China what we do to other countries like Iraq, Iran, Russia and China has to back down. They can't afford trade embargoes or any slowing down of sales to the West. There's no need for warships, just tell China not to fall out with it's biggest customer.

bronco67 04-03-2017 06:45 AM

A man who can't even handle his own Twitter account with any measure of responsibility is supposed to "solve" a complex international political issue involving nuclear weapons?

Is this a serious question?

Every crisis in the Trump administration has been manufactured by themselves. So while the president is keeping busy by shooting himself in the foot repeatedly, who is going to handle a real crisis? It will will happen eventually. We're going to see that he handles it the same way he handles everything else. Bumbling discombobulation and passing blame/responsibility to anyone but himself.

Paul Markham 04-03-2017 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21677155)
A man who can't even handle his own Twitter account with any measure of responsibility is supposed to "solve" a complex international political issue involving nuclear weapons?

Is this a serious question?

Every crisis in the Trump administration has been manufactured by themselves. So while the president is keeping busy by shooting himself in the foot repeatedly, who is going to handle a real crisis? It will will happen eventually. We're going to see that he handles it the same way he handles everything else. Bumbling discombobulation and passing blame/responsibility to anyone but himself.

So do what every other President has and let NK grow stronger.

As for your faith in it will happen, it should have happened under Bill.

Bladewire 04-03-2017 08:26 AM

China empowers North Korea because they don't want the North Korean refugees in China if North Korea fails, and also as a puppet with nukes to manipulate the west.

I think Trump has a high probability of bombing North Korea to divert attention from his miserable failures.

Of course he's passed tons of EO's so far that benefit the ultra rich , which was the GOP's goal, not to mention taking away internet privacy rights and allowing service providers to now throttle us and charge us more to watch video streams.

I'm all for bombing North Korea Fuck them, and Fuck China it's time we stop being their lapdog no matter the price. China purposely empowers North Korea with technology & bypassing sanctions because they don't want North Korean refugees. Fuck them both.

RedFred 04-03-2017 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21677443)
So do what every other President has and let NK grow stronger.

As for your faith in it will happen, it should have happened under Bill.


What has your country done?

baddog 04-03-2017 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21677476)
China empowers North Korea because they don't want the North Korean refugees in China if North Korea fails, and also as a puppet with nukes to manipulate the west.

I think Trump has a high probability of bombing North Korea to divert attention from his miserable failures.

Of course he's passed tons of EO's so far that benefit the ultra rich , which was the GOP's goal, not to mention taking away internet privacy rights and allowing service providers to now throttle us and charge us more to watch video streams.

I'm all for bombing North Korea Fuck them, and Fuck China it's time we stop being their lapdog no matter the price. China purposely empowers North Korea with technology & bypassing sanctions because they don't want North Korean refugees. Fuck them both.

China does not accept NK refugees.

Bladewire 04-03-2017 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21677536)
China does not accept NK refugees.

China has that luxury because they subsidise North Korea. If NK was bombed, or a major catastrophe happened, China would be forced to cradle NK and take control, as China is the region's super power & borders NK.

Yanks_Todd 04-03-2017 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21677536)
China does not accept NK refugees.

The would have to if there was a war and millions flood across the border which is why China doesn't want NK to fall.

2MuchMark 04-03-2017 09:07 AM

There is nothing that President Trump cannot make worse.

pimpmaster9000 04-03-2017 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 21677581)
There is nothing that President Trump cannot make worse.

post of the day! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

AndyA 04-03-2017 09:15 AM

Trump can't do anything to help anyone but himself.....

Barry-xlovecam 04-03-2017 09:16 AM

Send John McCain to NK as a 'peace envoy' :laughing-

AndyA 04-03-2017 09:18 AM

Did anyone see Bill Maher play that clip of Ivanka on Diane Sawyer

she was asked

"A lot of people think your going to work in the white house"

and she's like 'no I'm going to be a daughter"

that whole fucking family lies like I breathe

Rochard 04-03-2017 09:22 AM

Nothing has changed with NK. The reason why is simple - we can either accept things the way they are, or to war. Going to war with NK is one thing, but the much larger problem is what China would do. There is no doubt in my mind we could whip NK in two weeks with both hands tied behind our backs, but China is obviously a different story.

No American president wants to confront this issue directly.

Trump will most likely do the same. Trump talks to the talk, but when it comes to taking any action he fails.

bronco67 04-03-2017 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21677635)
Nothing has changed with NK. The reason why is simple - we can either accept things the way they are, or to war. Going to war with NK is one thing, but the much larger problem is what China would do. There is no doubt in my mind we could whip NK in two weeks with both hands tied behind our backs, but China is obviously a different story.

No American president wants to confront this issue directly.

Trump will most likely do the same. Trump talks to the talk, but when it comes to taking any action he fails.

Actually, I think he would confront the issue directly...because he's a dumb ass. That's what we should be worried about.

Trust me. The United States WILL be in a not every well decided or planned military conflict with many American lives lost at some time during Trump's presidency. It's an inevitability.

beerptrol 04-03-2017 10:39 AM

All NK has to do is let Chump open a few hotels and/or golf courses and all will be fine

or
Provide cheaper slave labor to make their family brand merchandise

romeo22 04-03-2017 11:50 AM

They are fuckin joke !!!

Rochard 04-03-2017 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21677863)
Actually, I think he would confront the issue directly...because he's a dumb ass. That's what we should be worried about.

Trust me. The United States WILL be in a not every well decided or planned military conflict with many American lives lost at some time during Drumpf's presidency. It's an inevitability.

After his recent comments, I gave this some thought this morning.

Frankly, North Korea is really a paper tiger. They have a large military, but it's poorly armed, poorly trained, and has very little ability to project military strength past it's border. They might be able to launch a missile strike on the US, but I find that highly unlikely - sending a large missile a few hundred miles into the sea is one thing but sending a missile thousands of miles to strike is a city is a vastly different thing. And even then, if we thought they were going to strike the US with a missile launch, we would have days of warning and enough time to take it out before it launched.

North Korea might be able to invade South Korea, but all of the factors of the Korean War in the 1950s has changed. North Korea no longer enjoys the support of China or Russia, and the South Korea of today is much more advanced than the South Korea of the 1950s not to mention full American support including boots already on the ground there.

The North Korean navy isn't a blue water navy, and could not strike out against the United States. It's not like NK could send a missile frigate and sail it to San Diego; It just can't do that. At the same time, the United States can do this to North Korea at will.

It would be very similar to what happened to Iraq when the US attacked them. Iraq had the world's 4th largest army at the time, but they were poorly trained, poorly lead, and had weapons that were in poor repair - not to mention a lack of communications. The power that the larger countries have - US, China, Russia - is staggering. The larger countries can push a button and launch a missile from three thousand miles away and destroy anything they want. The US can launch an airplane from North Dakota and fly it all the way to North Korea and destroy a building or a tank (or a dozen tanks) and fly all the way home without North Korea knowing what hit them.

Barry-xlovecam 04-03-2017 12:46 PM

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Sarn 04-03-2017 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 21677581)
There is nothing that President Trump cannot make worse.

I have one documentary movie about this :1orglaugh

PS:I hope no one will suffer))

NatalieK 04-03-2017 02:56 PM

heīs meeting the China president this weekend, so, the answerīs probably no...

bronco67 04-03-2017 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21678163)
After his recent comments, I gave this some thought this morning.

Frankly, North Korea is really a paper tiger. .

I have a feeling they're a joke too.

thommy 04-03-2017 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21677155)
A man who can't even handle his own Twitter account with any measure of responsibility is supposed to "solve" a complex international political issue involving nuclear weapons?

Is this a serious question?

Every crisis in the Trump administration has been manufactured by themselves. So while the president is keeping busy by shooting himself in the foot repeatedly, who is going to handle a real crisis? It will will happen eventually. We're going to see that he handles it the same way he handles everything else. Bumbling discombobulation and passing blame/responsibility to anyone but himself.

someone said: the best weapon against an idiot is another idiot

i doubt that in this case because i am not sure wich one of the both is the bigger donkey.

this problem will be resolved one day but not from outside. it will happen from inside and that would be the cleanest and most logic way.

china was for many centuries a closed country but now chinese people are travelling free all over the world. you can not explain "free" people to support unfreedom. it is just a question of time and will not need bombs. NK will change within the next 10 years - i am pretty sure and I think every politician in the world is believing that. I think not even trump can be so stupid to ignore that.

crockett 04-03-2017 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21677005)
Trump ready to 'solve' North Korea problem without China



So far under all the preceding Presidents, North Korea has grown as a military threat and the Presidents did nothing to stop it. Now North Korea is on the verge of developing missiles that can hit Japan and eventually the US. It has been on the front foot militarily even to the extent of sinking Sout h Korean vessels. So before the Liberals start condemning Trump, he's doing something others ignored and even promoted.

The US's biggest weapon over China is trade. Do to China what we do to other countries like Iraq, Iran, Russia and China has to back down. They can't afford trade embargoes or any slowing down of sales to the West. There's no need for warships, just tell China not to fall out with it's biggest customer.

Ask yourself this question.. "What has Trump solved so far?" Not much? Nope notta fucking thing he's just fucked up a bunch of stuff. Now ask yourself a question... What are the chances Trump makes the NK situation even worse? Pretty good, I'd say..

pimpmaster9000 04-03-2017 04:17 PM

the funny thing is NK does not have to make up shit about trump he is already a train wreck :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

MaDalton 04-03-2017 04:23 PM

http://screenprism.com/assets/img/article/mash_show.jpg

time for watching some reruns...

Paul Markham 04-03-2017 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21677476)
China empowers North Korea because they don't want the North Korean refugees in China if North Korea fails, and also as a puppet with nukes to manipulate the west.

I think Trump has a high probability of bombing North Korea to divert attention from his miserable failures.

Of course he's passed tons of EO's so far that benefit the ultra rich , which was the GOP's goal, not to mention taking away internet privacy rights and allowing service providers to now throttle us and charge us more to watch video streams.

I'm all for bombing North Korea Fuck them, and Fuck China it's time we stop being their lapdog no matter the price. China purposely empowers North Korea with technology & bypassing sanctions because they don't want North Korean refugees. Fuck them both.

No need to bomb anyone, just start taking away the trade China does with the US.

Paul Markham 04-03-2017 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 21677506)
What has your country done?

Not enough.

Paul Markham 04-03-2017 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 21677581)
There is nothing that President Trump cannot make worse.

So the same as previous Presidents.

Paul Markham 04-03-2017 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21677635)
Nothing has changed with NK. The reason why is simple - we can either accept things the way they are, or to war. Going to war with NK is one thing, but the much larger problem is what China would do. There is no doubt in my mind we could whip NK in two weeks with both hands tied behind our backs, but China is obviously a different story.

No American president wants to confront this issue directly.

Trump will most likely do the same. Trump talks to the talk, but when it comes to taking any action he fails.

Will China be as eager to go to war or will it back down?

At least he's talking rather than what every previous President has done and allowed NK to become a problem.

jbvryant 04-04-2017 10:48 AM

He could offer them hacking jobs

C H R I S 04-04-2017 01:09 PM

In a word... no.

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...cb&oe=59968514

Paul Markham 04-05-2017 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbvryant (Post 21680746)
He could offer them hacking jobs

China could offer them more jobs. NK needs bringing in the modern world or put under the thumb of China. Trade embargoes on China are the best way.

Phoenix 04-05-2017 12:31 AM

If north korea is overthrown where will all those factories go?

mineistaken 04-06-2017 11:45 AM

Trump can do anything.

thommy 04-06-2017 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21682441)
China could offer them more jobs. NK needs bringing in the modern world or put under the thumb of China. Trade embargoes on China are the best way.

i would love that you see what would happen then when there is a trade embargo on china.

the only one who could not stand what happens then is USA and this is why that will not happen.

a trade embargo with china would not even double up costs from one day to the other in USA - also the american export industry would be killed with it because they canīt produce their products without cheap part delivering from china.

they would lose the last rest of the international market and exports (waht are urgendly need in USA) would drop to nada.

you and trump are the worst economist on the planet.
this is why YOU are not president of any country (what is good) but why trump IS president of such a big country - sorry I canīt tell you - maybe because all voters have the same noclue of economy as you have.

Paul Markham 04-07-2017 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21686995)
i would love that you see what would happen then when there is a trade embargo on china.

the only one who could not stand what happens then is USA and this is why that will not happen.

a trade embargo with china would not even double up costs from one day to the other in USA - also the american export industry would be killed with it because they canīt produce their products without cheap part delivering from china.

they would lose the last rest of the international market and exports (waht are urgendly need in USA) would drop to nada.

you and trump are the worst economist on the planet.
this is why YOU are not president of any country (what is good) but why trump IS president of such a big country - sorry I canīt tell you - maybe because all voters have the same noclue of economy as you have.

China would be the worse hit. The amount of finished goods that arrive in the West and other countries producing goods, counter out your argument.

The alternative is the West allows a dictatorship to become the most powerful country in the World.

thommy 04-07-2017 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21688057)
China would be the worse hit. The amount of finished goods that arrive in the West and other countries producing goods, counter out your argument.

The alternative is the West allows a dictatorship to become the most powerful country in the World.

lol - you really do not have a clue about the reality.
trump damaged the US market already by cancelling the transatlantic trading contract with asia and the chinese already have now their own contract in the inner asian market where US does not have shares or advantages.

that was kick 1 in the own ass.

kick 2 will follow when US starts to block chinese goods from the own market.

what will happen then is, that these goods (like machine parts, chips and a lot things what are produced in china because they have the cheap labour AND the seldom earth there) will be sold even cheaper to other countries. cheaper because of the lack in the buyer market and cheaper because china will strike back.

that leads to the circumstance that US technology will be more expensive and the export market will completely break down.
the countries what do NOT have a blockade with china will take over this business and
USA is FUCKED !!!!

asians will still buy an iphone for 400 dollars because apple have registered offices in other countries where they still can produce their phones cheap and sell them to the international market.
while an iphone in US will cost 1000 dollars and canīt be exportet to nowhere on this price.

that will cost jobs and with no jobs nobody will buy an iphone.

this is the consequence if someone like trump or you or any other who does not have a clue of economy is sitting on a chair wher he does not fit into.

what you have in common with trump is that not one of you is successful in business or have any clue of economy.
you distinguish yourself from trump by having much less than him because he does not own any moral - he simply does not pay depts.
but knowledgewize you both could be brothers.

Barry-xlovecam 04-07-2017 06:30 AM

Fat Boy got a wake up call last night -- we will see ...

thommy 04-07-2017 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21688501)
Fat Boy got a wake up call last night -- we will see ...

that was EXTREMLY stupid and is the oppsite what he said in the last weeks about syria.

that was the final prove that he is not trustable for ANYONE in the world and this will lead to a BIG problem. not only for him and USA it will lead to a big problem for the complete world.

this guy sais one thing and doing another - how can he count on anyoneīs help?

how can be someone that stupid ?
all who have voted for this monkey should lose the right to vote FOREVER !!!!


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