Russian naval activity in Europe exceeds Cold War
 

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BERLIN (Reuters) - Recent Russian naval activity in Europe exceeds levels seen during the Cold War, a top U.S. and NATO military officer said, voicing concern that the distributed nature of the deployments could end up "splitting and distracting" the transatlantic alliance.

Navy Admiral Michelle Howard, who heads NATO's Allied Joint Force Command in Naples and commands U.S. naval forces in Europe and Africa, said Russia had clearly stepped up its naval actions in recent years although the size of its navy was smaller now than during the Cold War era.

"We're seeing activity that we didn't even see when it was the Soviet Union. It's precedential activity," Howard told Reuters in an interview late on Saturday during a missile defense conference.

Howard cited a wide range of activities, including Russia's deployment of its Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier to the Mediterranean, increased patrols in the north Atlantic and Arctic region, significant out-of-area submarine deployments, and submarine movement in the Black Sea.

"They're a global navy, I understand that. But the activity in this theater has substantially moved up in the last couple of years," Howard said.

She said there was a danger that members of the NATO alliance would focus on the area of interest closest to them, while losing sight of Russian activities in other areas.

"When ... you think about what happens when they move forces around, you look at the alliance and they end up splitting and distracting the view of the alliance," she said.

Howard's comments came amid a sharp escalation in tensions between Russia and the United States after Washington launched 59 cruise missiles against an air base in Syria in retaliation for a deadly toxic gas attack that killed scores of people.

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un seasoned :2 cents::2 cents:

few years war with isis experience

really?? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Russia is like vivid. They need a dumb a press release and kulich is mia

The sanctions placed on Russia have been very effective since they targeted the MOB within the government. Putins very public aggressive stance has proven that.

It provides a double whammy when you consider the low oil prices and lower revenue for them since they stole the oil company's from their rightful owners.

They can not sustain a wider engagement for very long.
Whatever they do in the next 6 months will be with a limited time-frame in mind. The operations in Syria are fairly costly to them so additional long-term engagements are unlikely.

Putin has his own political problems at home so he must activate nationalism by challenging the US to maintain his power which is very much weaker lately. Saber rattling.

All very interesting to see how the next few months will be played. I expect to see a bunch of headlines that have little overall meaning in the grander picture. But could stir up things in the US.

I call horse shit, I was part of the cold war and the Russian Fleet is no where near the size of the USSR Fleet

Size of Russian Navy compared to Soviet fleet - Business Insider

Indeed. I just don't understand why we need all that shit in 21st century if we have nukes...

If major powers used tactical nuclear weapons half the world would be a parking lot and the survivors would need protective suits and breathing apparatus to venture above ground.

Shit-holes not worth bombing would be the only inhabitable places on the planet. Buying property in Africa or South America might make sense if this is the future you see.

Wow really guys?

Here are facts:

TOP NAVIES IN WORLD.

1. US NAVY

The US NAVAL FORCE is the most powerful and capable navy in the world. It has 12 aircraft carriers in service, 2 in reserve and 1 carrier under construction which are more in numbers than combining the Aircraft carriers of rest of the world.
The Naval Force includes.

12 Aircraft carrier, 2 in reserve, 1 under construction.
10 Amphibious attack ships.
53 Assault submarines.
14 Anti mines
30 Frigates.
21 landing vessels.
60 destroyers.
22 cruisers.
2 corvette.
100 Patrol vessels
18 missile submarines.


RUSSIAN NAVY

The Russian Navy possesses the majority of Soviet Naval Forces and currently comprises of the Northern Fleet, The Russian Fleet, The Russian Black Sea Fleet, The Russian Baltic Fleet, The Russian Caspian Flotilla, Naval Aviation and coastal troops.
(Consisting of naval infantry and coastal missile and artillery troops).

Russian Navy has following vessels in their fleet:

1 Aircraft Carrier.
1 Amphibious Attack Ship.
32 Attack submarine.
42 anti-mines.
4 cruisers.
81 corvettes.
16 Destroyers.
10 Frigates.
68 patrol vessels.
6 Landing vessels
4 Missile submarine


Country 2015 Country 2016
United States $616bn United States $622bn
China $181bn China $191.8bn
United Kingdom $53.5bn United Kingdom $53.8bn
Russian Federation $51.8bn India $50.7bn

Sorry on the spacing of the last chart....it came out messed up but as you can see, Russia spend 1 billion more than India..............yeah

Sure if you want to fight against some African aborigines, you will use the aircraft carrier battle groups. But those are absolutely useless against even a developing country, which is able to buy the modern cruise missiles. A couple of chipass ones will easily sink down a multi-billion aircraft carrier:



The video above is a demonstration of an obsolete (not produced anymore) Soviet cruise missile SS-N-22 Sunburn made in 70s-80s of the past century and those were not even equipped with tactical nukes which is "a must" nowadays. Nobody will attack an aircraft carrier battle group like Japs in a Midway style. One tactical nuke exploded 50-100 meters above the floating circus will do the trick. Use of tactical nukes against the US air carriers is a part of Russian military doctrine.

You say that nukes will turn the attacked territory into a parking lot. That's wrong, comrade. The fallout of modern tactical nukes is extremely low, comparing to the ones uses in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. How many nuclear tests were made in the Soviet Union and in the USA right near the populated places?

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I've been to Las Vegas a few times and it does not look like a nuclear desert, I swear.

i just dont understand why there is no treaty reducing nuclear bombs in biggest countries, to lets say 50 MT, and for smaller countries, to lets say 10 MT....

We know this too. Because in cold war was prepare for nuke war, today only for politics speculation. But even today the situation can get out of control.
Who say it for you :1orglaugh

Russian Billionaires, Including Several Tied To Putin, Are Up $104 Billion In The Last Year
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rightful fucking owners :1orglaugh
this guys?
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Putin at least president who shooting organisation crime from 90th. They run in west - and are transformed on in "Icon of democracy in Russia"
If Putin is a nationalist - I am Santa Claus
For war with terrorists cruise missile better than nuke))
For Poland we all ban nuke weapon)) 0 MT ))
But you comrade must protect himself from capitalists brainwash :1orglaugh
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Don't forget Maine on your list of shit holes :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Are you high? How exactly cruise missiles can be used to stop them?

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Have these cruise missiles helped us to prevent a terrorist attack in Spb metro? Maybe they could prevent the attack in Sweden? You should quit with drugs, comrade, because...

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Did you not read? It doesn't say their navy is bigger than in the cold war, it said their "activities in Europe" are as much as during the cold war..

Two completely different things...

Sarn, I think the issue of nuclear desert comes from the amount of nukes used. 1st off those old nuke test were usually underground at least the more modern ones since ww2.

Also to destroy a city like Vegas I'm sure you Russians have at least 10 nukes pointed in that direction..

It's not a case of a single nuke going off, it would be 100s.. That's where the whole nuclear winter/desert idea comes from.. That many nukes going off world wide would have fall off..

Sure people would survive but it's not gonna be fun..

Terrorist organisation it is political and military structure with budget, army, recruiters, ideology etc...

Leader: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi
Headquarters: Raqqa, Syria
In Syria, the group conducted ground attacks on both government forces and opposition factions, and by December 2015 it held a large area in western Iraq and eastern Syria containing an estimated 2.8 to 8 million people, where it enforced its interpretation of sharia law. ISIL is now believed to be operational in 18 countries across the world, including Afghanistan and Pakistan, with "aspiring branches" in Mali, Egypt, Somalia, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and the Philippines. As of 2015, ISIL is estimated to have an annual budget of more than USD$1 billion and a force of more than 30,000 fighters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islami...and_the_Levant

Baghdadi needs to line his 'soldiers' up in one place where he can count them :2 cents: ;=)

RECOUNT!

I think we're gonna see a lot of military grandstanding to keep the FBI investigations out of the media.

I hope it's real and we beat down NK , then I hope we go-to South China Sea, and Russia gets a new president, and we work with Russia to beat down China and destroy those man-made islands. Then we let Russias new president take care of Syria's Assad in an ethical way with our backup if requested. Then we lift sanctions on Russia's new president and make lots of money together taking oil from Antarctica with the help of Canada and the New Britain :thumbsup

Meantime ...
 

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Implosion II ?

>Sure people would survive but it's not gonna be fun..
With a bad mood, it's harder to survive)

Good idea :1orglaugh

1) I'm not Sarn.

2) I'm talking about tactical nukes (just a few times more powerful than those exploded over Hiroshima and Nagasaki) that have to be used for rather small targets like the US aircraft carrier battle groups, the missile defense systems in Poland etc. Those are not WMDs. The missiles that will be launched at Las Vegas and other cities is a way different story. Those are strategic ones. One SS-18 missile aka Satan is able to burn out a whole state like Texas. So please don't confuse tactical nukes with strategic ones.

3) I have used Las Vegas as en example of a city, located near the nuke testing zone.

So how exactly you want to use cruise missiles to prevent new terrorist attacks by this mad monkey?

Dont let facts get in the way here :P

There are 18 Ohio class SSBNs (Nuclear powered) US Submarines 14 with ballistic missiles and 4 retrofitted with tactical cruise missiles.

They are either a preemptive first strike capability or a doomsday assurance. The earth will not survive as we know it in the event of a nuclear war -- so the argument is pointless -- 90% of humanity would end up dead from a nuclear war within just a few years. You sure you want you childrens generation to be the race of the mole-people ?

We cannot realistically destroy all the nuclear and chemical weapons in the world and even if we could man would make them again.

One day we are doomed.

The mutant cockroaches may inherit the earth one day.

I'm absolutely fine with that. If Poland would have nukes, current ministry of defense would start ww3 in 10 minutes...

But you comrade must protect himself from capitalists brainwash.

good old Sarn.

for Soviet Union !
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why not ? I dont understand ? It only requires some will on all sides.
I said already: 50 MT to few biggest countries, 10 MT to smaller ones, thats all.
If humanity can create bots, robots, nanotechnology, heal people, surveil people and nations...I dont nderstand where would be the problem here ?

it is still too much though.
should be like 1-2 MT for big players and 100-200 KT for small players

As i think politicians want replay cold war with hot end.

My bad.. for some reason I was thinking I was replying to him. I never said we could use nukes to deal with anything. I think once we start going down that road even with small tacticals it would lead us somewhere we don't want to go..

I think if the US, China, Russia, Britain, EU ect.. ever attacked another naval ship of their adversary it would mean all out war including nukes.. (I'm talking ships from the big boy countries) I'd say the only navy ships that anyone could attack with out it being all out war would be from third world shit holes.. Like the Somalian pirate Navy.. lol they are ok to sink..

Now with that said, I could possibly see a sub getting taken out but it would be extremely risky for any of the big hitter to do..The reason I say a sub, is because it would take a long time to determine "why" it went down which would be enough time to cool down the situation. For instance, I could see someone taking out say one of Iran's diesel/electric subs because no way could Iran ever prove who took it out. They could claim it was the US all day long but no one would listen to them because they aren't reliable source of info.

For the record the US had tactical nukes that were launched like a mortar charge. Ironically they were called the "Davy Crockett" my dad used to work on them when he was in the military, this was during Vietnam.. (no that's not where my name came from)

They never do.. :error:error:error

awesome, the Russians finally got some money to play with!

Becouse we all not want :1orglaugh

yes, and its sad.
stupid people.
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btw. SARN !!!
How are your English lessons going ? Do Directorate still dont want to spend money on english courses for its valuable foreign influencers ? come on ! tell them to fuck off. if they wont start to pay you for english course, threaten them that you will stop posting
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A will teach you comrade how to building peace in world

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just .... WOW !!!!

february 2014: EU dictators Verhofstadt and friends travel to Ukraine to rile up the people against Russia. When for example the Turkish officials travel to the Netherlands to rile up the people from Turkey they get kicked out. But when it's the other way around (EU puppets doing it in other countries) it's all good.
Due to this and other interferences we have the Russia - Ukraine conflict with the downing of MH17, which still hasn't been resolved and the release of documents which go into detail have just been stopped by professional liar and traitor, Dutch prime minister Rutte: https://www.ninefornews.nl/rutte-mh1...menten-geheim/ (Click on English for a google translate translation)

march - april 2016: NATO doing military "exercises" along the whole European - Russian border to provoke Russia. Meanwhile campaigning Clinton is also busy with her demonization of Russia every time she opens her mouth, to condition the people Russia is bad.

So for over 2 years now the NATO, EU and US establishment are spreading anti-Russia propaganda and doing anti-Russia actions. When i can see that, do you really think Russia doesnt see that? Does it surprise you that in this hostile environment against them created by the NATO, EU and US establishment, they have increased their navy presence?

It always amazed me how you live Putin no'matter what and take no responsibility for anything wrong he foes, as if he was a victim invading Ukraine & Crimea and supporting death with dictator Assad in Syria and dictator murderer Erdogan in Turkey.

Are you born & raised in Netherlands Woulter because your love for dictators is unatural :2 cents:

There's always two sides. Russia wants Ukraine as their 'buffer zone', the EU wants Ukraine as their 'buffer zone'. Exactly the same.
EU went the propaganda route in Ukraine. Russia went the military route to counter that.

And i thought the focus on Syria was ISIS? Who has almost defeated them in Syria? Why is the focus on Assad all the time when ISIS is still organizing terror attacks? Or have you forgot about the christians slaughtered in Egypt already? Or the people in Stockholm? Yet somehow Assad gets all the press while we heard NOTHING about him in western media for 15 years? Think.

Why do you always tell Americans what we know and what our media tells us as if you're in our living room every night? You are not one of us & You obviously don't know an American that well. You are flat out wrong! He's Benn on TV here 1r years now! Assad has been in the news here since 2007 when Democrats Nancy Pelosi went to Syria to meet with him, she was the first from America Pelosi Meets With Syrian Leader - NYTimes.com.

You never see the errors of dictators Putin, Erdogan & Assad in any way. There is no discussion with you it's 100% propaganda from you supporting dictators Putin, Erdogan & Assad. This is not normal conversation that people have on your part it's very manufactured. You are 100% ignore the facts and believe what I say, that is not normal, that is dictator mentality.

yes there is....

And only taking one side 100% of the time is propaganda not natural.

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cannot be true ....

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Are you this foolish? You think we aren't waging a full on scale war against ISIS and all Islamic terror? It's not an enemy you just send the pacific or 7th fleet to and obliterate, they don't obey national borders, they are what we faced in Vietnam but worse. We are fighting them daily with the that little seemingly unknown base. United States Special Operations Command, MacDill Air Force Base, FL. Where all the US Army Special Forces including Detachment D-Delta Force, All 6 Seal teams and ALL US Army Ranger regiments are commanded from. Right now I bet they are in the midst of an operation killing islamic extremists. This isn't a war you win the old way. Russia knows this too, they are doing the same thing with their Special Operations Command. Why Obama said when he got his first National Security briefing in the morning that the POTUS gets daily, he was immediately like a deer in the headlights. He says so in his interview and books, there is so much going on at any given minute it's absolutely mortifying. He called it VERY sobering.

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Look what launched today...........will be armed with 75 of these as well

http://nationalinterest.org/files/st...?itok=eZGyqYey


ALso we launched a brand new Destroyer out of Virginia.

The (problematic F35) got a 15-1 kill ratio in full on combat simulations with other 5th gen fighters. Only one that can beat it is our own F-22 Raptor, wish we had more of those, good job congress for fucking that up.

And look what we are spending to deal with knuckle-draggers ...
This is the same scam as the old scam. I suppose it will never end.

Killer robot soldiers are just around the corner they will be supported by killer drones -- you want to terrorize that is the way to do it -- not with multi billion dollar floating arsenals. And for a fuck of a lot less money. The USA won't be the only one to have them either.