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Grapesoda 06-24-2017 12:48 PM

any history buffs here??
 
I'm viewing some lectures on 'big history' very interesting if you enjoy Paleolithic/Neolithic studies, origins etc. recommended for sure :thumbsup

Big History is an emerging academic discipline which examines history from the Big Bang to the present. It examines long time frames using a multidisciplinary approach based on combining numerous disciplines from science and the humanities,[1][2][3][4][5] and explores human existence in the context of this bigger picture.[6] It integrates studies of the cosmos, Earth, life, and humanity using empirical evidence to explore cause-and-effect relations,[7][8] and is taught at universities[9] and secondary schools[10] often using web-based interactive presentations.[10] According to historian David Christian, who has been credited with coining the term "Big History",[7][9][11] the intellectual movement is made of an "unusual coalition of scholars".[2] Some historians have expressed skepticism towards "scientific history" and argue that the claims of Big History are unoriginal.[12] Others support the scientific merit but point out that Cosmology[13] and Natural History[14] have been studied since the Renaissance, and that the new term, Big History, continues such work

bronco67 06-24-2017 03:34 PM

That's great, but did you know that the framulation of the petical stream is insipidated by the obdemical orpshude?

Grapesoda 06-24-2017 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21852259)
That's great, but did you know that the framulation of the petical stream is insipidated by the obdemical orpshude?

:1orglaugh

ilnjscb 06-24-2017 07:57 PM

I very much enjoy Paleolithic/Neolithic studies but I'm not seeing the value add.

For instance, we're learning that folk tales often have a basis in very old stories, which may have some factual ingredients from pre-history. That I can get in to. We're learning that the "out of Africa" origin theory may not hold water. So many concrete advances in human history - I'm not sure we need a contextual framework other than the one we've derived from successful inquiry.

Grapesoda 06-24-2017 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 21852499)
I very much enjoy Paleolithic/Neolithic studies but I'm not seeing the value add.

For instance, we're learning that folk tales often have a basis in very old stories, which may have some factual ingredients from pre-history. That I can get in to. We're learning that the "out of Africa" origin theory may not hold water. So many concrete advances in human history - I'm not sure we need a contextual framework other than the one we've derived from successful inquiry.

humanity changed very much after leaving Africa, I think it's more like the 'human variety' that came from Africa was more adaptable, think along the lines 280,000 generations, some say ALL humanity came out of Africa. personally I lean towards humanity came out of Africa in several 'waves' establishing populations is accessible areas. it has been suggested that populations move along longitude when possible to retain as much 'biosphere similarity' as possible.

as populations were established, isolated by generations, new populations came out of Africa as climate change reshaped natural barriers, to eventually produce the 'humanity' we are now by interbreeding and extinction.

I've come to suspect the demons and evil gods perhaps are from the tales of 'serial killers' from days of yore.... what else could you think if you were out in the woods and came across some serial killer slaughter hanging in trees etc.?

and definitely we all have cultural DNA. my grandmother once told me a 'blue joke' that began with 'in the old days men didn't wear pants' which is very true if you were Celt from Ireland. "Celtic clothing for both women and men was wrap around skirts, tunics, or long one piece dresses or robes and wool was the material most often used"

"The oldest depictions of Celtic Clothing I've found come from around 500 BCE from the area of modern Austria.Examples below;

Celtic clothing on Scythian borders - From the drawings it looks like they wore tight fitting pants or tights, and a tunic that actually looks like a suit jacket. It's a long shirt with the front bottom that curved back to the tails. Their shoes had upturned toes. The women seem to be wearing highly decorated skirts or long tunics, hard to tell. Celtic Clothing from grave sites tell us a Chieftain, found at Hochdorf, shows the same style as above but with it an unusual preserved conical hat with fine punched patterns, made of birch-bark. Salt miners wore the same type of Celtic clothing with lower quality cloth and less colour with the same conical hats made of animal fur.

Celt-Iberic Celtic Clothingha - men wore tunics of mid-thigh length with a wide decorated belt at the waist. Women are wearing elaborate Celtic headdresses and tunics with checkered trim, and sometimes a very wide ruffle at the bottom of a hem or skirt called a flounce about 4 - 5" wide.ha Belts worn by the Celt-Iberians of early Christian period were wide and decorated with metal plaques."

the value added is the understanding of how and why you think and consider the things you do. why you move and look like you do. humanity has been shaped by the earths climate and volcanic events. from white skin to help in producing vitamin d to over sized chest among the natives to the Andes in South America.

your basic thought structure or OS is the culmination of what 300,000 or so generations? mother telling babies , daddy telling sons, from hunter gatherers to agriculture to rockets to mars. we have other ways to parse information and new paradigms to work with yet under the hood, well you know, same old same old :)

personally I think it's very important to understand yourself and all of us from this perspective.

I have no idea why, yet for some reason a beast of the field one day suddenly though, 'it's me, I'm here'... then .....

Grapesoda 06-24-2017 11:24 PM

the time line of humanity starts 200,000 years ago, referred to as the Paleolithic in which humanity was physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually as any modern human today yet only had stone and wood technology. the climate wasn't stable enough to really advance to modern humanity until the Neolithic, starting after after the last ice age, 17,000 years ago to aprox 12,000 years ago.

ilnjscb 06-27-2017 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 21852616)
the time line of humanity starts 200,000 years ago, referred to as the Paleolithic in which humanity was physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually as any modern human today yet only had stone and wood technology. the climate wasn't stable enough to really advance to modern humanity until the Neolithic, starting after after the last ice age, 17,000 years ago to aprox 12,000 years ago.

The current theory is that there was a change in the brain of sapiens sapiens (yes, twice) that made behavioral modernity possible at around 50,000 BCE. To my mind this may have been genetic interaction with homo neanderthalensis and other erectus and heidelberg offshots but there is no proof yet.

Regardless, the flowering of culture that led to the human high period of 40kBCE to 10kBCE before the development of the hierarchical slave societies we "enjoy" today was, I believe, indeed caused by density and freedom from violent competition.

In a way we were a victim of our own success. Slave societies can support 100X number of people per area.

Paul Markham 06-27-2017 11:42 PM

There was one group of homo sapiens who made it out of Africa. DNA tells us that.

mce 06-28-2017 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 21852616)
the time line of humanity starts 200,000 years ago, referred to as the Paleolithic in which humanity was physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually as any modern human today yet only had stone and wood technology. the climate wasn't stable enough to really advance to modern humanity until the Neolithic, starting after after the last ice age, 17,000 years ago to aprox 12,000 years ago.

You mean the out of Africa theory isn't right on?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfIeburPnio&t=14s

Rochard 06-28-2017 09:17 AM

I am a fan of military history, mostly WWII stuff. Can't get enough of it.

danep 06-29-2017 01:02 AM

David Brion James is one of my go to historians.
One of the only academic writers I can read even while not writing an essay.

celandina 06-29-2017 09:16 AM

Try Peter Heather... The best. :thumbsup

Any of his books will explain what did happen at the end of the Roman era and how similar it is to today's migration wave.

Grapesoda 06-29-2017 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by danep (Post 21860536)
David Brion James is one of my go to historians.
One of the only academic writers I can read even while not writing an essay.

you have a focus on modern slavery?

Grapesoda 06-29-2017 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21861181)
Try Peter Heather... The best. :thumbsup

Any of his books will explain what did happen at the end of the Roman era and how similar it is to today's migration wave.

I focus on earlier periods mostly

ilnjscb 06-30-2017 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21858457)
There was one group of homo sapiens who made it out of Africa. DNA tells us that.

No. Look at recent scholarship; that theory is now somewhat less accepted.


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