Armed Deputy Didn't Act What do you think?
 

So the big news is that the deputy was outside the school during the shooting and never went in to engage the killer.

I think he could of been froze and not know what to do at the time. Shit happens when you are in shock and you can't move.

If he were to of done his job and ran back in and killed the killer would there be as many deaths probably not. but whos to say anything they don't know what was going on in his mind.

What do you guys think?

Maybe he had bone spurs?

I think its better that he froze and did nothing than force himself to go in , in that shocked state, and accidently maim or kill students while trying to kill the shooter.

He's going to live the rest of his life with the guilt that he did nothing while 17 children were murdered in Cold Blood.

They were saying it was like 4 mins, that's not a lot of time but it can also be an eternity. I think the way Commander Bone Spur us trashing the guy is pretty fucked, considering he was a multiple time draft dodger..

It's easy to second guess someone after the fact, but that guy was expecting to go up aginst someone with a assault rifle while just having a pistol.

Not to mention it could have been more than one guy he was up against. He had no idea what he was up against or how the shooter was positioned.

It was always common that police waited for back up. It's only recently that they are pushing the charge right in mentally.

we all know trump is a moron. someone needs to call bone spurs out.

Pretty simple : He's required to confront the threat and he didn't so therefore he didn't do his job.

All the other stuff is speculation.

4 deputies. No officer entered the school until the next county showed up

If he is in shock and not able to function properly then he is doing his job by not trying to pull a loaded weapon around students.

FYI I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. The guy was a fucking coward in that moment. But why? We might never know.

He should work at Burger King. If he didn't know what to do, or perhaps ...felt "scared" ....he should've never accepted the position as an armed security guard.

He was a police officer/sherriff deputy

Right it is his job and he should of known what to do he was a cop for 30 some years etc etc etc.

that guy will never have another peaceful night of uninterrupted sleep. he would have been better off getting killed with the kids :2 cents:

We don't know how far away he was from the shooting he could have been on the other side of campus and not even heard the gunshots. He could have thought it was another fake drill like the one that just completed that same day. He could have had headphones on. Just playing Devil's Advocate.

They let him retire with full benefits, they didn't fire him and they haven't charged him with any crime yet, so there's something more to the story that we don't know.

I'm the first to admit that I would not charge a ar15 with a pistol...most people here would not do it either...

lol!! bad hair day, the guy was locked up at the mirror :thumbsup

1+2=3 you are gong to LOVE this:

all action is the result of motive and opportunity, all conversation is rationalization.

why in the fuck won't you send emails about locking down the schools then? you seem to have some view of reality....

you have NEVER played Devil's Advocate with any 'press release' on trump :2 cents:

Me either; but I'd try to move to a position where I can at least locate where the
shooter is and hope that I can get a shot at him.

This guy did nothing.

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all of you are talking shit like you would confront someone that could outgun you. he should have ran in there!!

better training then...

He should have! It's not like the kid with the AR-15 was looking for the cop to hunt down the cop would be the Hunter and the kid with the AR-15 is The Hunted :thumbsup

This seems like a good place to put this:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...744374784.html

Interesting read.

Could lead to some uncomfortable times ahead for some people.

Or it could just get buried because certain powerful people don't want any of it to come out.



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As ex-military myself - from what I've read so far on the deputy...it sounds like an act of cowardice. He was armed and wearing kevlar - he was in a position to do something. He did nothing.

His job was to put himself between the shooter and innocent lives. He failed to do that. He failed to make any sort of effort.

He failed to "serve and protect".

Great input thanks!

Sadly SK. That's not really the case.

He had no idea where the shooter was.

Most likely he Is not trained in search techniques for buildings like this and most likely his kevlar was insufficient to stand up to that weapon.

Had he gone in that would most likely have been another body to count.

With the knowledge he had on hand. Position and number of shooters.

Number of back up officers on the scene and or in route.

His job becomes Secure a perimeter and wait for the swat team.

As if you can't tell which direction a gun shot is coming from. Not surprising that most on this board who lean towards the left are making excuses for him being a coward.

Don't take a job like that if you know you're a little bitch.

I'm not saying I could do it. But at least if I was unsure about how I'd react to confrontations involving bullets I wouldn't sign up for it.

"Secure a perimeter and wait for the cavalry" isn't an interpretation of "Serve and Protect".

I can't spin cowardice the way you've attempted above.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

But ya arming teachers is the solution. What a fucking retard you have as president. Christ

Not defending Trump but not sure you have a great argument here while we have Trudeau as a prime minister. :Oh crap



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I think everyone is calling this wrong.

The job of a lone security is not to actively hunt down and shot a gunman who is much better armed than he is. His job is to take up a defensive position, call for backups, and engage the shooter if possible. Four other officers showed up and did the same exact thing - took up a defensive position and tried to figure out where the gunman was.

You all watch way too much TV. You all think a single "security guard" (who most likely couldn't make out to his mailbox without losing his breath) is going be able to walk in, quickly locate and close with the gunman, and take him out in a single shot. It just doesn't happen that way.

Agreed. Arming teachers has to be among the most assinine things outta Trump's mouth so far.

Son of a draft dodger. Wouldn't expect much from any Trudope progeny.

He was a sheriff's deputy, numbnuts.

Not a mall security guard. :disgust

And while you're at it - why don't you google Kevin Vickers, Sgt. at Arms - during the Parliament Hill shooting here in Canada. And tell me again how a lone officer can't handle a gunman.

I'm not saying a lone officer can't handle a gunman. Surely they can. However, odds are not in their favor. An officer shouldn't go rushing into a situation where they unaware of the tactical situation. Was there one shooter or four? Were they armed with handguns or assault weapons?

From a tactical stand point, he did the right thing. He took up a defensive position and tried to figure out where the shooter was, and then direct other officers onto the scene.

Instead of armed teachers what about something like this:

Police departments are thinking about using drones armed with stun guns


They could be activated by the sound of a gunshot and/or manually and could use sensors and AI to zero in on the target and fire at will or after manual instruction.

I am sure the technology exists, or can be created, to make it work.



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But wait if you have any type of gun I though automatically you become james bond. He is 60 close retirement probably never under live fire, so he decided not to die on the job at day. I bet other 3 who showed up probably figured im not dying today either.
This idea people have because I shot paper targets in a controlled atmosphere , i will automatically jump to action correctly because I have a gun.you never know how someone will react until they are in it.

Also when one of armed for the protection of the kids by mistake shoots one of the kids in the head,in the middle of a crisis then what do you.

lol by the time the drone is off in the air 20 kids are dead.

that i would agree with and no worry if its going wig out in the middle of a crisis.

They would not be manually deployed. The would be mounted throughout the school and deploy on their own.

Besides, in this Florida shooting by the time police were called and responded 17 kids were dead. And that's only because he stopped shooting on his own. He could have kept shooting until he was actually confronted by police. The death toll could have been way higher.



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The bitching about this cop, is just the right wing trying to distract from the issue at hand. Notice they blame every fucking thing under the sun.. video games, mental health, 1st responder, bump stocks... but not the easy access to guns or high capacity guns.

Hate Trudeau, but what excatly is your point??

17 kids would thank him for "doing the right thing".

Except they're dead.






"Defensive position" = cowering

Just that we're probably not in any position to be criticizing the US for Trump while we have our retard in charge. But maybe that's just me. More of an observation really. Not trying to argue the point.



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No. This is completely wrong. This was over in the first sixty seconds. Two minutes at the most. There is no way the single armed guard would have been able to find the gunman on the huge campus (3100 kids), no less be able to take him out.

This is what's wrong with arming teachers and armed guards at schools. It's not a solution - it's a response after kids have already been shot.

Except the fact that it's stated even in your favorite news sources that he didn't act for 4-5 minutes WHILE SHOOTING WAS HAPPENING. In fact at least 3 other officers had shown up before anyone even went into the building.. Supposedly none of those 4 went into the building until AFTER Miami-Dade officers showed. You are just trying to sell it in your head Cruz unloaded a clip like a fucking machine gun, everyone was dead and it was over. He traveled multiple floors shooting people.... In fact 3 floors.

there is something far dangerous and it's not illegal for anyone to own in its deadly form. :2 cents::2 cents: you just wait till people start using that...

Lets take a look at the video:2 cents:

Speaking of video... I wonder if we will ever find out who changed the time on the cameras. They thought he was still in the building because of this change... Which is why he made it out.....

Wait, I'm confused.. just the other day you were calling it all fake and all the victims were crisis actors.. Can you stop changing your stories.. pick a lie and stick with it..quit being a flip flopper..