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necoeds 02-12-2020 09:24 AM

Email marketing service recommendation? (paysite newsletter)
 
I need to either hire someone, or some service to help manage my adult pay-site members newsletter,

or I need a recommendation for some software solution

please spam me :D

Markul 02-12-2020 10:03 AM

Use Sendy + SES. You will never get it cheaper, with better delivery and Ben is great. He can help you set it all up for cheap.

If you don't want that, I can hook you up and you can use my installation - currently I can manage up to around 50K a day:
https://i.imgur.com/lbV6U83.png

I am sure I can beat anyone of those that try to pimp overpriced poor solutions. But really, you can get your own for peanuts via Ben (the guy that wrote Sendy).

Rochard 02-12-2020 10:51 AM

YNOT Mail is built for the adult industry: Full Service Email Marketing Platform | YNOT Mail.

PornDiscounts-V 02-12-2020 01:12 PM

Both of the above solutions.

If you want to be hands off, go with ynot.

Markul 02-13-2020 02:12 AM

I guarantee you that there is no real competition to this: aws.amazon.com/pricing

I tried them all. Including YNOT.

trevesty 02-13-2020 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul (Post 22608081)
Use Sendy + SES. You will never get it cheaper, with better delivery and Ben is great. He can help you set it all up for cheap.

If you don't want that, I can hook you up and you can use my installation - currently I can manage up to around 50K a day:
https://i.imgur.com/lbV6U83.png

I am sure I can beat anyone of those that try to pimp overpriced poor solutions. But really, you can get your own for peanuts via Ben (the guy that wrote Sendy).

I thought Sendy was a well kept secret for a couple adult people. :1orglaugh

But yes, Sendy is by far the best and cheapest solution.

Marshal 02-13-2020 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by necoeds (Post 22608056)
I need to either hire someone, or some service to help manage my adult pay-site members newsletter,

or I need a recommendation for some software solution

please spam me :D

After spending many years in mailing, figured out most people have no clue what they were doing (including the boldest one!). Biggest email providers like Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and FTC consider email spam a very serious thing, so your newsletters need to be fully compliant. No objection about it. Big porn companies like Bangbros, Reality Kings and others got charged and had to pay a shitload of money for settlements in past. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003

Setting up a newsletter is not really a big deal. Pretty much anybody familiar with basic system administration could do it.
Knowing what NOT to do with the newsletter in order not to get blacklisted for spam is much more important. You wouldn't like to waste a valuable list of members or get sued, wouldn't you?

Please feel free to hit me up on webmaster [at] sweetlatin {dot} com if interested. No strings attached. Been doing it for affiliate programs for years. I can help you set up the list and manage it.

TrafficGoldmine 02-13-2020 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by necoeds (Post 22608056)
I need to either hire someone, or some service to help manage my adult pay-site members newsletter,



https://www.sendingpros.com/

Shannon G 02-13-2020 08:20 AM

If you do not want to (or cannot) host your own platform, SendingPros.com is an affordable, hosted option to use with AWS (as well as other SMTP/ESP providers such as Mailgun and Sendgrid or your own SMTP).

I've been in adult mailing and list management for 20+ years and I am always available to help you with set up, warm up, automations, etc. on SendingPros. I can even manage the newsletters for you, if you prefer.

Best of luck! Please contact me with any questions. :)

ladida 02-13-2020 01:25 PM

Problem with all these "sending" platforms that offer to send and "manage" the list for you is that you eventually give your valuable lists to these people. I never understood how someone can do it unless the list they're dealing in is also bought. If you have your own list of customers that you want to mail, never use 3rd party, always manage it yourself.
If you have few thousand mails to send, it doesn't really matter what you use tho.

ZENRA 02-13-2020 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshal (Post 22608448)
Setting up a newsletter is not really a big deal. Pretty much anybody familiar with basic system administration could do it.
Knowing what NOT to do with the newsletter in order not to get blacklisted for spam is much more important. You wouldn't like to waste a valuable list of members or get sued, wouldn't you?

This is good stuff.

If you've never sent a newsletter before, it may be a good idea to ask your lawyer to look it over and let you know if it's CAN-SPAM compliant.

PornDiscounts-V 02-13-2020 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZENRA (Post 22608620)
This is good stuff.

If you've never sent a newsletter before, it may be a good idea to ask your lawyer to look it over and let you know if it's CAN-SPAM compliant.

It's not just can spam... It's getting around Google, Yahoo, etc spam filters. That is where Marshal knows his stuff. What to include, how much to include, how to avoid getting AWS account closed due to spam reports, excessive bounced-rate, etc. What kinds of images to use. Verbage. Etc.

ZENRA 02-13-2020 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-V (Post 22608640)
It's not just can spam... It's getting around Google, Yahoo, etc spam filters. That is where Marshal knows his stuff. What to include, how much to include, how to avoid getting AWS account closed due to spam reports, excessive bounced-rate, etc. What kinds of images to use. Verbage. Etc.

That as well. A lawyer versed in CAN-SPAM can tell you whether you're OK in terms of the law and a mailing expert pro can help formulate a good newsletter that your subscribers will take note of.

ZENRA 02-13-2020 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladida (Post 22608607)
Problem with all these "sending" platforms that offer to send and "manage" the list for you is that you eventually give your valuable lists to these people. I never understood how someone can do it unless the list they're dealing in is also bought. If you have your own list of customers that you want to mail, never use 3rd party, always manage it yourself.
If you have few thousand mails to send, it doesn't really matter what you use tho.

Has this ever actually happened?

ladida 02-14-2020 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZENRA (Post 22608680)
Has this ever actually happened?

Nope, never. Ever in a million years.
Also noone ever steals anything, politicians are honest people and i have a bridge to sell, really cheap.

fuzebox 02-15-2020 07:59 AM

Any tips on getting unsandboxed with SES in 2020? My most recent account I submitted a few different websites and signup forms and explanations of the opt-in process and bounce/complaint handling, and still get this:

"We reviewed your request and determined that your use of Amazon SES could have a negative impact on our service. We are denying this request to prevent other Amazon SES customers from experiencing interruptions in service."

Markul 02-15-2020 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 22609291)
Any tips on getting unsandboxed with SES in 2020? My most recent account I submitted a few different websites and signup forms and explanations of the opt-in process and bounce/complaint handling, and still get this:

"We reviewed your request and determined that your use of Amazon SES could have a negative impact on our service. We are denying this request to prevent other Amazon SES customers from experiencing interruptions in service."

What did you do? Did your complain rate or bounce rate go nuts? I remember using an old list the first time I used them and they shut me down. I contacted their support and told them I had imported an old list and that I had now cleaned it.

But from that day, I never got above the complaint / bounce levels. But then again, in average I only mail 6-10k a day.

Rochard 02-15-2020 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul (Post 22609338)
What did you do? Did your complain rate or bounce rate go nuts? I remember using an old list the first time I used them and they shut me down. I contacted their support and told them I had imported an old list and that I had now cleaned it.

But from that day, I never got above the complaint / bounce levels. But then again, in average I only mail 6-10k a day.

This typically happens with a first send. Even if it's a list that is only two years old.

Marshal 02-15-2020 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22609347)
This typically happens with a first send. Even if it's a list that is only two years old.

Not necessarily. An email list cleaning service usually comes handy. :2 cents:

Markul 02-15-2020 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshal (Post 22609360)
Not necessarily. An email list cleaning service usually comes handy. :2 cents:

So you have used SES?

Marshal 02-18-2020 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul (Post 22609437)
So you have used SES?

I do, all the time. Probably the cheapest and most effective way of mailing for a few years now. Once you get around Amazon's weird naming convention for things that already exist, that is.
If you were referring to the cleaning services, SES doesn't provide such a feature.

RyuLion 02-14-2021 08:20 PM

Bumping this for more insights. :)

TheLegacy 02-15-2021 06:33 AM

The only way we would do this is through YNOTMail - best and only way to send emails through safely.

Nancy M00re 02-15-2021 10:55 AM

Yeah we work with YnotMail, very user friendly, I recommend :winkwink:

Rochard 02-15-2021 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshal (Post 22609360)
Not necessarily. An email list cleaning service usually comes handy. :2 cents:

I disagree. I've had companies that I've worked for and they've used a "list cleaning service" and... It's created problems.

The Porn Nerd 02-15-2021 11:30 AM

You want an Adult-friendly platform. Amazon etc is too mainstream unless you are sending out very tame emails, perhaps for dating. Newsletters are generally safe as people willingly signup for them.

I use YNOT Mail.


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