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NALEM 12-05-2020 09:49 AM

Are you investing in stocks or options? If yes ...
 
Would you mind sharing what specifically you have invested in and why.

I've spread money across 50 plus companies, and am at the point where I am looking to learn about more companies or invest more in the ones I have in the portfolio now.

Looking for 30-100 percent annual return during the next year to year and half.

Thanks.

Ferus 12-05-2020 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22784382)

Looking for 30-100 percent annual return during the next year to year and half.

Thanks.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh yeah, and zero risk I would guess?

ilnjscb 12-05-2020 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22784382)

Looking for 30-100 percent annual return during the next year to year and half.

Thanks.

I was paying attention til you said that - the most options will add is 11% annually if you do it exactly right. A good book is:

George Fontanellis "The Options Course"

Don't invest until you know the greeks and when to use an iron condor

NALEM 12-05-2020 12:53 PM

Ferus, all investments come with a varying level of risk. Most companies were effected by COVID, the economic challenges that followed it, and where at one point between 50-80% off their peak. I'm up nearly 60% since this of investing which starting in May.

Ilnjscb, thanks for suggesting the book. I am absolutely new to options. While I am still ahead money wise on the few options I exercised, I feel that I could be making smarter decisions.


Anyhow,

fuzebox 12-05-2020 12:54 PM

I also would like 100% annual return.

Thx in advance

trevesty 12-05-2020 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22784461)
Ferus, all investments come with a varying level of risk. Most companies were effected by COVID, the economic challenges that followed it, and where at one point between 50-80% off their peak. I'm up nearly 60% since this of investing which starting in May.

Ilnjscb, thanks for suggesting the book. I am absolutely new to options. While I am still ahead money wise on the few options I exercised, I feel that I could be making smarter decisions.


Anyhow,

You bought in at an insanely massive valley and are expecting similar returns going forward? Not gonna happen, pal. :thumbsup

pornguy 12-05-2020 01:16 PM

Those numbers are a little on the unrealistic side.

I posted here a few months ago about grabbing stocks in some of the cruise companies. I did. I missed the one that I wanted and ended up paying about 16$ more per share but to-date that particular stock has gone up by more 36$ per than what I paid . It has made me a nice profit That was RCL. This stock will again go up and get much nearer its all time high as soon as the cruises start again.

I also got into some tech stocks like Plug Power. another big gainer for me.

The trick is to buy sit and wait and dont freak out. If the shares go down buy more. If you are a us citizen and a company you buy into gets removed from the markerts and your shares are worthless its a tax discount. ( not sure % any more as it has not happened to me in a long time. )

Noting is 100% and nothing unless you have the gift of the gods will return 100%. But if you watch what you are doing and do it well you can make an ass ton.

For the year I am up 75.38%

Here is a tip. Stock that MIGHT go big in the next few months. 2 tips actually.

LAZR boosted 8$ per on Friday. Do your research. Im going to buy into them on the next dip.

Also MGI. I already to into this and might see it jump about 30% in the next 90 days. Do your research.

pornguy 12-05-2020 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by trevesty (Post 22784474)
You bought in at an insanely massive valley and are expecting similar returns going forward? Not gonna happen, pal. :thumbsup

That depends.

With all the things going on with the research for the virus there can be big money in Pharma. But picking the players is not easy.

We will see in the next 12 months a number of almost unknown companies release new data and they will boom at least for a little while.

This virus has also forced companies to rethink how they deliver to the customer. Some will survive others not. But there will be competitors for the biggest. And dont think just amazing but what about the delivery companies. as that booms so does other things.

Where I live DHL is bringing on new trucks. You can tell by how good of shape they are in. 90% of them are Mercedes. So there is something to look at. DHL has about 285,000 employees so lets say at least 100k trucks and growing. They need to grow to keep smaller companies away. So both DHL and Mercedes will see increases. ( In the period from July to September, the Group increased revenue by 4.7% year-on-year to EUR 15.6 billion.) Might be worth the invest into DHL and Mercedes.

InfoGuy 12-05-2020 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22784461)
I am absolutely new to options. While I am still ahead money wise on the few options I exercised, I feel that I could be making smarter decisions.

First of all, options are not "investing". That shows how little you know about them.

People who trade options are either market makers, people looking to hedge and offset risk in their portfolios or people speculating in the underlying securities. Rookies like you may do well in a bull market, but you will get slaughtered when the tide eventually turns. The smart decision for you would be to stay out of the options market. Quit while you're ahead.

Options volume has increased ~50% Y/Y at the CBOE, ICE and NASDAQ, indicating there are a lot of noobs like you speculating in options. History has shown that when the common folks think that it is easy to double their money in a year, the bull market is usually towards the end.

Ferus 12-05-2020 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22784461)
Ferus, all investments come with a varying level of risk. Most companies were effected by COVID, the economic challenges that followed it, and where at one point between 50-80% off their peak. I'm up nearly 60% since this of investing which starting in May.

Ilnjscb, thanks for suggesting the book. I am absolutely new to options. While I am still ahead money wise on the few options I exercised, I feel that I could be making smarter decisions.


Anyhow,


I have been investing for many years and have a 3 star rating on the biggest investment-portal in Scandinavia. I have even posted screenshots here on GFY several times with my investments and recommendations - look it up - some of them are +600% the last year.
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...t-invited.html

But aiming for a general 30-100 percent annual return across the board, is just plain igorant, when you are someone who come running to GFY for stock tips, and are the usual 2-9 months behind the curve.

I know what I am doing fuckward!!

You are the same idiot that came running after me after I sold out on Bitcoin and wanted to know how you could do the same... when the trading prize was $18k - Want a screenshot of that as well?

These are the two I have recommeded here the last year+

Plug Power
https://i.ibb.co/5Mf5xdt/nel.jpg

Plug Power
https://i.ibb.co/tHLYVCY/plug.jpg

And this is you begging me for BitCoin knowledge
https://i.ibb.co/1GYMQwT/nik.jpg

MaDalton 12-05-2020 07:27 PM

Hydrogen does great in general.

Bloom Energy, Plug Power, NEL

NALEM 12-05-2020 07:29 PM

Ferus, I am good about not remembering the few idiots that are on this board. That is until they show themselves.

Fortunately I don't know you personally or in business. You amigo, have unresolved personal issues, that need looking after.

You were quite rude when we exchanged our communication with one another. I reached out to you, not because you are the Queen of Bitcoin, but because of a specific person you claimed to know well at the brokerage. I was working towards a possible referral/introduction. Based on your hatred then, I can only presume that you had me confused for someone else that did wrong in your life. Regardless who it was, it's time you let it go.

Reaching out on GFY, to ask what others members are investing in, serves to engage this community, which happens to be very quiet these days, and because one might learn of something new.

Putting aside your oversized ego (don't know how else to describe your unfortunate attitude) I do appreciate your mentioning that you posted your stock picks. I'll see if I can find them and compare them to my own.

NALEM 12-05-2020 07:44 PM

PornGuy, thank you. I recently purchased LAZR at 22.

MaDalton, I have PLUG, but will look at Bloom Energy and NEL.

And for the others that commented. Yes I am an amateur. I've lost and made my money, and in the end, always averaged 12-15 percent annual return, which I am happy with. However I realize that most stocks took a big hit, and when I had the extra money, starting buying them in the hopes that many will return to their pre-Covid prices within two years.

Moving forward, if anyone else to share with us what you have invested in, it would be appreciated. Take care.

Mahadeva 12-05-2020 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22784662)
Fortunately I don't know you personally or in business. You amigo, have unresolved personal issues, that need looking after.

At 600% gains, he certainly has the money to talk to a psychiatrist and have some good alcohol. Let’s say, for the purposes of “back of the napkin” math, that he invested all of his money in those stocks.

$43.81 x 6.00 = $262.86

So, he can at least afford a bottle of top-shelf before he’s back to being broke.

Ferus 12-05-2020 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mahadeva (Post 22784680)
At 600% gains, he certainly has the money to talk to a psychiatrist and have some good alcohol. Let’s say, for the purposes of “back of the napkin” math, that he invested all of his money in those stocks.

$43.81 x 6.00 = $262.86

So, he can at least afford a bottle of top-shelf before he’s back to being broke.

That was a funny comeback, I'll give you that

GAMEFINEST 12-05-2020 08:29 PM

GM
DraftKings
EV stocks

Ferus 12-05-2020 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22784662)
Ferus, I am good about not remembering the few idiots that are on this board. That is until they show themselves.

Fortunately I don't know you personally or in business. You amigo, have unresolved personal issues, that need looking after.

You were quite rude when we exchanged our communication with one another. I reached out to you, not because you are the Queen of Bitcoin, but because of a specific person you claimed to know well at the brokerage. I was working towards a possible referral/introduction. Based on your hatred then, I can only presume that you had me confused for someone else that did wrong in your life. Regardless who it was, it's time you let it go.

Reaching out on GFY, to ask what others members are investing in, serves to engage this community, which happens to be very quiet these days, and because one might learn of something new.

Putting aside your oversized ego (don't know how else to describe your unfortunate attitude) I do appreciate your mentioning that you posted your stock picks. I'll see if I can find them and compare them to my own.

I have seen your BS trying to sell yourself as a seasoned veteran here on GFY for years now, and I dont give a flying fuck what you think.

You bring nothing to the table

Ferus 12-05-2020 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22784660)
Hydrogen does great in general.

Bloom Energy, Plug Power, NEL

Are you in to wind turbines as well?

MaDalton 12-06-2020 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferus (Post 22784703)
Are you in to wind turbines as well?

not at all - any good tips?

I wrote a thesis on wind power like 2 decades ago but haven't really followed up on the development since then.

Sergio 12-06-2020 08:57 AM

What broker do you use? Still looking for a good US broker who works with foreigners

sarettah 12-06-2020 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferus (Post 22784700)
I have seen your BS trying to sell yourself as a seasoned veteran here on GFY for years now, and I dont give a flying fuck what you think.

You bring nothing to the table

^^^ This ^^^

.

NALEM 12-06-2020 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 22784843)
^^^ This ^^^

.

You and Ferus are delusional. Such comments imply that we are partners, and I failed to live up to my end of our business arrangement. :2 cents: :2 cents: :1orglaugh

NALEM 12-06-2020 11:07 AM

Here is my contribution from the energy sector: Talos Energy (TALO)

Ferus 12-06-2020 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22784841)
not at all - any good tips?

I wrote a thesis on wind power like 2 decades ago but haven't really followed up on the development since then.

Maybe it's a chance to reinvent yourself :)

Not really. In my view there are two companies to invest in when it comes to wind turbines - Siemens and Vestas, and I have a good portion in Vestas because I do work for them, but the business is hard to understand and there are to much politics involved for me to want to dig deeper.

Across EU there are many that want to build off-shore parks and Vestas make a good deal of money on that, So I dont think its a bad bet, but I dont know enough to make actual reccomendation about it.

baddog 12-06-2020 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22784884)
You and Ferus are delusional. Such comments imply that we are partners, and I failed to live up to my end of our business arrangement. :2 cents: :2 cents: :1orglaugh

As an outsider looking in, at no point did either of their posts make me wonder if you guys had entered into some kind of business arrangement.

NALEM 12-06-2020 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 22784909)
As an outsider looking in, at no point did either of their posts make me wonder if you guys had entered into some kind of business arrangement.

Lloyd, you are absolutely correct. :2 cents: :thumbsup

I reread the original comment and my reply. It would of been more correct to state something along the lines of "Such comments imply that we (the Members of GFY and I) are partners, and I failed to live up to my end of our business arrangement.

Btw I hope you are doing well in SoCal.

Ferus 12-06-2020 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22784913)
Lloyd, you are absolutely correct. :2 cents: :thumbsup

I reread the original comment and my reply. It would of been more correct to state something along the lines of "Such comments imply that we (the Members of GFY and I) are partners, and I failed to live up to my end of our business arrangement.

Btw I hope you are doing well in SoCal.

It dont "imply" shit, and speaking like a pretentious teenager don't help your image as a unsuccessful version of Baddog copying JFK business-model.


Go ahead and regurgitate old ideas and thoughts from other people all you want - the people you are able to impress are not all that bright (lets not forget you tried to help the scammer elliso simply because you dident understand what he was doing)

MaDalton 12-06-2020 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferus (Post 22784898)
Maybe it's a chance to reinvent yourself :)

Not really. In my view there are two companies to invest in when it comes to wind turbines - Siemens and Vestas, and I have a good portion in Vestas because I do work for them, but the business is hard to understand and there are to much politics involved for me to want to dig deeper.

Across EU there are many that want to build off-shore parks and Vestas make a good deal of money on that, So I dont think its a bad bet, but I dont know enough to make actual reccomendation about it.

i do have Siemens (and now also Siemens Energy) - but mostly because I worked there for 5 years and it still feels a bit like family

Unity started really great recently, made some money on that
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/u

not sure though whether they will continue like that.

NALEM 12-06-2020 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferus (Post 22784920)
It dont "imply" shit, and speaking like a pretentious teenager don't help your image as a unsuccessful version of Baddog copying JFK business-model.


Go ahead and regurgitate old ideas and thoughts from other people all you want - the people you are able to impress are not all that bright (lets not forget you tried to help the scammer elliso simply because you dident understand what he was doing)

OMG, now its clear Ferus. You are in love with JFK, love his work, and are loyal to Julius like a dog should be to his master. Good for you, and great for him. Up to now, I didn't understand where the anger was coming from. Now it makes sense. From one stranger to another, I can only wish that you find peace.

Regarding Elisso, I provided the GFY member simple advice that I would follow myself, if I believed that I was a victim in a business relationship. The final outcome is in the hands of those two parties involved. No regrets from me.

Ferus 12-06-2020 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22784947)
OMG, now its clear Ferus. You are in love with JFK, love his work, and are loyal to Julius like a dog should be to his master.


Dang -- you figured me out.. And here I was thinking I only loved myself because I thought I was above everyone else, I guess I was wrong then. And now it's just all because I love Julius... Because it could never be because I just plainly think you are a useless hack? nooo.. its the manlove :1orglaugh

ilnjscb 12-06-2020 10:22 PM

Folks, options have decaying time value and thus should be part of a portfolio only when the underlying shows significant volatility. If you believe a stock will go up slowly over time, just buy the stock and hold it. To dip your toe in, buy a few calls on an equity you think will grow quickly to capture the value of the growth. Do yourself and your future self a favor and don't short, buy puts, or write any options unless you really know what you're doing.

baddog 12-06-2020 10:31 PM

Schwab has a thing where I was able to set up Custodian accounts for each of my grandchildren and by them fractional shares of up to 10 S&P companies.

That's what they get for Christmas and birthdays for the rest of my life (or they turn 21)

darnit 12-08-2020 02:58 AM

r/wsb is leaking.

Grapesoda 12-08-2020 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22784660)
Hydrogen does great in general.

Bloom Energy, Plug Power, NEL

thanks :thumbsup

Ferus 12-08-2020 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by darnit (Post 22785760)
r/wsb is leaking.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh That is the GFY of investments, I even think they have more conspiracy theories

CAHEK 12-08-2020 08:22 AM

Invest in Mercedes Benz would be electric car leader then super expensive Tesla .

Mercedes EV cars looking better and cheaper then Tesla anyways.

They haven’t made yet any electric cars yet but once they do and mass production stock will sky rocket x2 .

Ferus 12-08-2020 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CAHEK (Post 22785900)
Invest in Mercedes Benz would be electric car leader then super expensive Tesla .

Mercedes EV cars looking better and cheaper then Tesla anyways.

They haven’t made yet any electric cars yet but once they do and mass production stock will sky rocket x2 .

uhhmm, what are you talking about "havent made yet"? the whole EQC range is electric

CAHEK 12-08-2020 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferus (Post 22785923)
uhhmm, what are you talking about "havent made yet"? the whole EQC range is electric

Yes it is electric. I mean “haven’t made yet “ mass production for electric vehicles, they still building factories.

Ferus 12-08-2020 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CAHEK (Post 22785960)
Yes it is electric. I mean “haven’t made yet “ mass production for electric vehicles, they still building factories.

As far as I know, they have been spitting out EQC 400 for almost a year now at the Bremen plant, and the one I was driving last month seemed pretty real to me. The goal is still 50.000 this year (havent heard any reports saying goal wont be reached)

https://insideevs.com/news/402925/50...oduction-2020/

bean-aid 12-08-2020 10:24 AM

I also say cruise industry. Pick the healthiest and anticipate bankruptcies.

MaDalton 12-08-2020 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22784660)
Hydrogen does great in general.

Bloom Energy, Plug Power, NEL

Of course not every day is like today but

Bloom +8.7%
Plug +13.87%

Porko 12-08-2020 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 22784382)
Would you mind sharing what specifically you have invested in and why.

I've spread money across 50 plus companies, and am at the point where I am looking to learn about more companies or invest more in the ones I have in the portfolio now.

Looking for 30-100 percent annual return during the next year to year and half.

Thanks.

My humble advice: put all the money in Vanguard SP500 (VOO) relax and slept peacefully.

D Ghost 12-08-2020 10:39 PM

If you are invested in 50 companies, you might as well invest in a low-cost index fund which tracks the S&P 500. 50 companies (depending on their sectors) is going to probably keep you close to market return. You have the same systematic risk. Diversification is BS.

The odds are not in your favor as even 77% of mutual funds do not outperfom the S&P 500.

What you are asking do here is gamble. You will have better luck investing in 5 to 10 companies where you are taking on more risk to ourperform the S&P (the S&P will, for sure, not return that % in that time frame). You will be trading systematic risk for unsystematic risk of course (you can't escape risk altogether obviously).

Another alternative bet will be Bitcoin, Etheruem or Ripple.


READINGS:
https://www.spindices.com/spiva/#/reports
Over 5-year period 77.97% of mutual funds underperformed the S&P 500. If most of these market wizards can't outperform the S&P 500, then it isn't looking good for you.

https://alphaarchitect.com/2015/07/2...-be-different/
"To beat the market, you have to be different than the market. One simple way to do this is to hold a small number of stocks." (this does not guarantee you will beat market, but you will have a better chance with a portfolio of 15 or less than a portfolio of 50). I have returned over 75% in the last 1.5 years with equities, not including cryptoassets.

The bottom line is... if you aren't willing to read annual reports (like I have) and perform due diligence on specific firms, then you shouldn't be holding individual stocks. You should be invested in a low-cost index fund that tracks the market. What you are doing is pure gambling. What I do is invest in high-quality businesses at what I determine may be a fair price and don't plan on selling until they may become overvalued.

webguy 12-08-2020 10:54 PM

PLYZ :thumbsup

D Ghost 12-09-2020 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by webguy (Post 22786350)
PLYZ :thumbsup

And definitely don't buy over the counter pink sheets with no track record.


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