What the Hell crawled up Chokers Ass?
 

Just discovered this morning that one of our TGP sites is blacklisted on the FindTrades web site. Upon doing a search to confirm and ascertain reason, I discovered the following.

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asianfrenz.com has been blacklisted!

Blacklist reason
Script Stealing

Additional comments
Confirmed cheater.Using a stolen version of TTT

Confirmed by
choker

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Granted it is a free country and the operators of Find Trades may list or unlist anyone or site they choose. What I do take offense with is the supposedly authoritive crier of fact which alleges our company has engaged in cheating and/or script stealing.

The supposed confirmation by Choker, is factually defective.
FACT: ASIANFRENZ.COM does not use Turbo Traffic Trader.
FACT: ASIANFRENZ.COM has never used Turbo Traffic Trader
FACT: ASIANFRENZ.COM uses CJOVERKILL http://cjoverkill.icefire.org/ for traffic trade script.
FACT: EPRO NETWORKS owner, operator and publisher of ASIANFRENZ.COM and 43 other TGP entertainment link properties does not and has never used Turbo Traffic Trader.

We contend the statement(s) made and published by Choker regarding ASIANFRENZ.COM to be false without merit.

With approximately 50% of our TGP properties engaged in some low levels of trading traffic, we are fully aware there are those who will attempt to push the envelope and cross the line.

Standing up in an open forum and making blatant false accusations, as in this case would be the equilivant to me posting messages in open forums alleging a particular traffic broker pads his/hers traffic sales with hitbots.

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choker is a good guy :-/

:1orglaugh

He may very well be, as I have never met the man.
What he has demonstrated to me is his ability to be a genuine ass-wipe.

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Chocker think CJ Overkill is a ripoff of his script

from what I gather, choker's assertion is that the script you are using is a stolen version or TTT . . . . but I could be wrong. Just have a feeling this will be a 2 page thread

yeah, something like that

your sig fuckin sucks

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...t=CJOVER KILL

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It is.

I am fairly sure that this is the script that was written by one of Chokers ex members of staff and the script is remarkably close to Chokers ttt.
Choker has done a blanket ban on all sites using this script -

You will find Choker very easy to talk to - Unlike some people who like to give blanket type bans.

You may be right on target regarding the cause and effect. As I too have been learning this evening.

You are absolutely correct, as we use CjOverkill Version 2.0.1, A Free Traffic Trading Script with Anticheat and Security Features.

CJ Overkill is a cry different from TTT, as choke has alleged. In all fairness, I must qualify that statement. In fact, I have never sampled TTT, nor do I have any interest in playing referee.

From what I have gathered this evening there is some form of petty dispute between choker and the developer of cjoverkill.

It is amazing how childish some supposed grown men can act. their dispute is of little or no concern of mine.

Note to choker: Stand up and be a man. I have no problem with you banning me because I happen to use your competitor's trade script.

How dare you sit there and say I have stolen your script!
Although I distance my self from the petty infighting that seems to consume some corners of this business.

Yours,
A Satisfied CJOVERKILL User.

Is CJ Overkill made from scratch?

No. The guy that 'wrote' it freely admitted that he modified TTT's code to make 'his' script.

It was comical when he first came out with it. He didn't even change the layout of it that much at all, just a few colors.

:1orglaugh

It became even funnier when the guy later decided to deny stealing any of the code. I mean for fucks sake, anyone with 5 mins programming experience could see it had been stolen. Wonder how many hours he has now spent changing variable names and moving the odd line of code about to make it look different.

Only thing worse than a thief is a thief that tries to defend his actions rather than own up to it. Still - makes for some interesting threads.

Uhm.......... don't know why the hell he blacklists anyone who uses cjoverkill. He should go after the script writer, not the user. I used it myself but i didn't know that it was a stolen script. Now that i know i might aswell switch to TTT.

But blacklisting people who use a script that is outthere for free to use which (maybe) got writen by someone who stole it from him is not the solution i think :2 cents:

so, theyre using a script that they didnt know was a ripoff of chokers... but does that make them criminals worthy of being slandered? does ignorance = innocence?

tough call. kindof goes back to the old cliche... if u buy a stolen car, are you guilty of theft...

sux he banned you, his traffic is great & he's a kickass guy. maybe you two can work something out. maybe he'll work something out with anyone who uses that stolen script.

i think choker should go after the thief, not his unwilling customers... make the customers a deal on TTT or somethin

good on choker.

:thumbsup

:Graucho :1orglaugh

You dont think there is any recourse for people who are "unknowingly" using stolen property?

I'm just going to put my two cents in because I'll probably be dragged in to it anyhow.

Here's the short story:

Icefire wrote a fix for Choker's TTT. Choker got all upset and banned Icefire from using any of his programs. So Icefire rewrote the TTT script. A modification of the TTT code would be against the license, but since the code has been rewritten...it's legit. These's a thin line that he was treading, but he was legal. Being his partner at the time on another venture, I checked on the legality of the script here in the states, while he did the same in his home country and the country he lives in. It was good to go, so he released it.

Choker doesn't go after Icefire, because he can't. While you or Choker or even I might not agree with the way Icefire went about his business...he didn't do anything illegal. Choker knows this...

So he goes after those he can. He attacks and slandors me and blacklists trades in the FindTrades database. Not once has he had the balls to come to me for my side of the story. He still things I'm some master programmer that hatched this plan and had someone else do the work.

That's it in a nutshell. The script is not a stolen or modified TTT. It's a rewrite. It's not too tough to see the differences...and I'm not even a programmer.

CJoverkill is a hacked stolen version of TTT. Anyone looking at the code of the two can verify this. There is no question about this. Any site with this stolen version of TTT gets blacklisted, as does any site running any stolen version of any script. There are many sites blacklisted for using stolen versions of CJultra and other trade scripts. The only people I ever take out of the blacklist are these sites who remove the stolen scripts. All others (consoles,dialers.home page changeres, etc) never get un-blacklisted.

I run a fair and unbiased blacklist. If you don't cheat and don't have illegal content, then you won't be on it.

blah blah blah.. your using a stolen script.. bottom line.. quit being a tight wad and pay for a good script

if it is really stolen - why don't you go after them legaly ?

Yeah I gave cjoverkill the benefit of the doubt until I inspected everything and it's definetly a copy -> paste -> change a few things job.

You are a fucking idiot!

See the problem here is if that script is truly a blatant rip off it should have been killed at the source. I remember that original thread several months ago. Nothing has been done to stop the distribution of this script since then????

Now you have honest webmasters getting the script and using it not knowing about this entire incident. (Not everyone reads GFY). I am not taking sides either way because I do not know how the law perceives the modification of the script. However Choker may want to go after the source of this script before it spreads even further. Blacklisting every single TGP that uses it is just going to make the situation worst.

As you mentioned in response, anyone looking at the code....

I have not looked at the code, nor do I intend to. It appears that your dispute is with the developer of CJOVERKILL.

I have used cjoverkill for several months and found it to be a good functioning program.

I am not here to agree or dispute your validity of claim in that matter.

What I am calling you out on is the way in which you have in an open forum, and characterized me as a thief.

I have no problem with being banned... and strongly suggest you modify the reason as to specify the ban is because I use one of your competitors scripts.

Shame on you choker for the way you have handled your disputes with other developers.

You have gained no sympathy from me in this matter, simply in the chicken shit way you handle your affairs.

If you have a problem with CJOVERKILL, then deal directly with them.
If you have a problem with me, deal directly with me.

I've looked at both scripts codes, as well as some other programmers here on GFY, it's more than obvious that there is code theft.
It has happened to my script for years, but at least the people stealing my stuff would call their scripts stuff like Cjultra Plus, or Cjultra Extreme, etc..
The situation is kinda different with Cjoverkill since the owner was a little smarter to change the scripts name and claim that the script is indeed legit. His statements were enough to convince some of the simple minded, or the people who have never heard about what's been going on.
I think Choker has every right to be upset about this and to fight back.
Powercum's last attempt to collect ransom for exploiting a security flaw in other scripts should have made it crystal clear what kind of business ethics this person has.
I can assure you, Cjoverkill wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the open-source PHP.

Anyway, I'm not gonna go any further into this discussion, just wanted to add my :2 cents: as a programmer who have been through several similar scammers.

What everyone here refuses to see is that Icefire has done nothing illegal. That's why Choker doesn't go after him. He can take any script he wants and rewrite the code and it's a new script. The only recourse he has at this point is to blacklist the sites in his FindTrades database. That's his business.

To say that you looked at the code and can see that they're the same...I doubt you've even really looked. Just take a look at the two respective out or in files and you'll see. I think at one point a CJO file was about 1000+ lines where the one in TTT was 1/4 of the size.

If Choker really believes that he's been illegally infringed upon, he should probably protect his business/product and actually take the time to look into the matter. I'm sure Icefire has no problem with this, because he's taken the steps to ensure that he's legit in the eyes of the law. He doesn't care about the eyes of GFY.

Choker, I'd be more than happy to help you out with what I know...but like I mentioned, you're so caught up in this that you haven't even come to me to get any of your facts straight. You've listed bits of info about me that are COMPLETELY off track. You just shout off at the mouth without checking to see if you're even right or not. I don't hide...my email and ICQ address has always been available.

You are not using one of my competitors scripts, you are using a stolen version of my script. The thief/coder hosts his sites on his Mom's computer in his house in Spain ran off a Spanish ISP who's only concern is that their network actually works. If he ever gets real hosting then I will get him shut down. As far as characterizing you as a thief, well if the shoe fits wear it. Now you know it is a stolen script. Continue to use it and you support stealing by your actions or lack of actions. If someone ripped a gallery design wopuld you continue to post that guys galleries? It's not your problem now is it, it's the guy who's gallery got ripped's problem. According to your logic that is. If you are a thief or support a thief, you are characterized as guess what? A THIEF

Look punk, you know DAMN well I am not going to throw tons of good money away to sue a Punk ass kid living with his mom in a third world country. So shut the fuck up about "Choker has no recourse" shit. If this fucker lived in the US or Canada I would have already shut his ass down. Only a fool would waste money trying to pursue a civil matter like this half way around the globe.

This is just your opinion, thankfully most people don't see things this way.

Check the thread above you. He did just that.

You owe me $250. When are you going to send it?

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Originally posted by Choker

If you are a thief or support a thief, you are characterized as guess what? A THIEF
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This is just your opinion, thankfully most people don't see things this way.


This shows your ethics right here Candyflip. You think most people don't think this way? LOL

You work for a design company right? If you buy graphics from a guy you know for a fact has stolen graphics from other designers before then that's ok according to your logic. We all know you enjoy the company of thieves yet you yourself would never ever steal anything yourself. Yeah right...LOL You have a lot to learn Punk.

since when Spain has become a 3rd world country ?

And bashing me because I was partner with someone you have beef with shows your ethics as well. Don't worry...it doesn't go unnoticed. For everyone you think is laughing at me...there are a few laughing at you as well.

If you think that this fiasco has hurt me more than it has hurt you....you are sadly mistaken. I'm not going to piss with you anymore...I have way to much on my plate to keep me busy.

Handle your business legally and show me an example of proper business ethics :1orglaugh

Just a quick question about your logic here:

Say your child murders someone. I'm sure you'll stand behind your child and offer whatever support that you can. Does this make you a murderer as well?

Just to clear the air. In all intensive purposes, is possibly with others, unbeknownst to me. It is not my intention nor desire to used a pawn in this matter.

Please bear in mind choke, I do not reside in a third world nation, as I too am located here in the USA.

If by chance you feel I have wronged you in some way, by using your competitors product...then come to me directly.

I am readily available via, ICQ, telephone, in person or any other reasonable method(s) of communication. If you feel you have cause, I will provide you with complete contact information, as you will provide the same for me.

Although I am now somewhat aware there now exists a problem between you and the cjoverkill developer, I still have no intention of discontinuing it's use.

Nope but hell ask you to babysit his kids while your he goes to a webmaster function hahaahaha.

What's your tgp that choker has banned on findtrades?

read the first post on first page man instead of instantly hitting reply.

ASIANFRENZ.COM

On the surface I have no problem with being "banned".

The problem is being drawn into a conflict between choker's ttt and cjoverkill.

To even go here shows what a true piece of shit you are. You have real problems dude.

There is no conflict. You are using a stolen sript so you are banned. Pretty simple. Put CP or beast on your site or auto download dialers and you get banned for that too. Use content that you did not pay for you get banned. Use consoles you get banned. I don't ban people because I don't like them. I ban sites for what mainstream TGPs consider cheating and or stealing. Use a stolen version of TTT, UCJ, CJultra, TM3 or any other script and you get banned for that too.

Ok that answers my question of why it hasnt been killed at the source. I guess at this point Choker has every right to blacklist TGPs from his programs as he sees fit. Its his best form of recourse being reaching the source would be very difficult.

I hope both parties come to a resolution.

Bottom line here people: Be original.... don't rip off/copy/steal the original hard work of others, and big arguments and messes like this won't be happening.

Duhhwahh?? Is this not common sense?



I have quietly followed this argument from the time it started, and after reading the posts from countless programmers stating that the copying/theft was blatently obvious, I would have to add here that IF I was using such a product and I now know full well that it is a ripoff of someone else's work, I would do the right thing and eat the cost of it and get the PROPER solution running..... instead of digging in my heels and continuing to profit from something that is obviously tainted.

But that's just me.

Others will disagree and try to justify it, but to me the choices are pretty clear here --
Hamburger A: Continue to use a stolen script,
or Hamburger B: go find a new originally-written script.

I would choose hamburger B.... it leaves a much less shitty taste in your mouth.

I was wondering the same thing . . . I thought Canada was a third world country