Oh My GOD Fletch... make up your fucking mind!
 

Here is what he said he wanted:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=212

Then I wrote this:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...26&postcount=1

Nothing further has been said by him since that new thread was started because he realizes I'm completely complying with what he wants. In fact, I agree to pay the $350 that he said he'd "give" me because that would put him in the hole (he doesn't seem to good with math).




Now, through a third party who was trying to settle this, I have learned that he wants me to just remove all the banners and leave his name on the account.

Does this mean you're ready to do what you were supposed to do to stay on that account? Will you be sending me monthly promo updates?

Prime meat, you know I like that :pimp

The guy can not make up his fucking mind.

Through the negotiator, Fletch offered this:

Fine... that means he must then honor his agreement and send me new hosted galleries to send to affiliates. All he has to do is pick out photos from the members section and plug them into his templates and email me the list. I'll send them out.

But he doesn't seem to want to honor that.

So I guess I'll make up your mind for you, Fletch.

BoogieCFZ: please replace the materials that Fletch created. I will remove his banners from Donny's Money, as well as his promo galleries.

I retain the tour because I paid for it. Fletch's name will be removed from sub account 3 tomorrow since he doesn't want to provide new galleries for affiliates.

On Wednesday I will look into recovering the monies paid to him for work he decided not to do.

Damn, I guess that's it.

Fletch made several different offers to me, and then changed his mind about his own offers. Fuck it.

Part 1: Banners off Donny's Money. CHECK.

On to Part 2.

OOH... Another one... Fight nice guys.

Part 2: fletch's hosted galleries, promoting htpp://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ , removed from http://www.donnysmoney.com/hostedgalleries.htm

CHECK.

On to Part 3.

Donnie's pulling the "Amp's patented multi-thread attack" maneuver on Fletch.

Devastating.

Did you lock him out of the site, therefore making him unable to perform the updates? I believe you said you did.

As someone who has NOTHING to gain or lose in any of this....as someone who does not know either of you personally, my opinion is you are dead wrong on this one. The only reason that may matter to you is the fact that I WAS a possible future affiliate. Notice I said WAS? I am sure many other people feel the same way, but have said nothing. Good luck, seems you'll need it.

No, I did not. He lost his FTP login information. He could easily have recovered it if he wished.

Honestly, you were caught in soooo many bullshit stories in the first thread, you have 0 credibility. As everyone else has already said, you are making yourself look bad.

The most disturbing part, is you have given your affiliates promo material that you do not have the rights to use. If nothing else, you should have settled IMMEDIATELY to reduce any risk you may have placed on your affiliates.

If you think I was caught in bullshit stories you weren't paying attention.

The promo materials in question are in HOSTED galleries. And work is underway to remove them now.

Fletch was made a counter offer. He didn't like it. He made me a counter offer. I accepted. Then he decided to back out of his OWN counter offer.

Fuck it, I'm sick of this. Wednesday I'm filing suit in small claims for breech of contract.

from this thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=304801

another lie, bravo.

MY login info. Fletch had access to an ENTIRE SERVER. Seperate access to just that site is totally different.

Dude, think twice. You will not win no matter how you spin this. Wait I take that back you may get your $586 but that will be deducted from the ten of thousands of dollars he is awarded in copyright infringement penalties. Donny you are smart. Think about it.

Cool.. another thread!!


:helpme

I was paying attention just fine. I know you tried to pass the stats off as 22,000 hits to the tour, when that is just not the case. I know that in March (well after the tour went live) you were telling people how wonderfully the tour converted. I know you also tried to play that off like it was 3 days after the traffic to the tour started. Yes, there are a lot of idiots on GFY, but I am not one of them. And, nobody with a brain missed any of that.

Anyway, none of this has anything to do with me. Just thought you would appreciate an honest, impartial opinion. Instead, you tried to bullshit me. Like I said....good luck, seems you will need it.

:1orglaugh

I'm not at all worried about him being awarded copyrights. I have copies of checks and emails. There's a lot more to this story than meets the eyes.

By the way, cherry, since we're linking to old threads:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...0&postcount=82

fighting over $300 is for children

Christ, if this gets down to attornies!!!! It will cost a small fortune just for them to read the threads!!!

BTW, why didn't you reply to the part of my post concerning affiliates using promo materials that you did not have the right to use?

cliff notes wont even help you here you'd need at least 3 differnt cliff notes books. :1orglaugh

agreed 100% and at the $500 Fletch wants it would save Donovan 1000's when he has to pay copyright penalties.

Take what ever you think the difference is in money (that's all that counts in the end) and one of you send half to the other and call it a day.

Lens is happy cause of post count. The rest of us can't read all the threads and posts!!!

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...1&postcount=63

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...5&postcount=70

:Oh crap :Oh crap :Oh crap

Hint. You two!!!!! Don't ever do biz with each other again!!!

Ah, but I do. And I now have proof.

http://www.drink more post more.com/board/showthread.php?t=12425

remove the spaces. lol.

After the bullshit in the first thread, I would never risk my business on your word.

Part 3: the entire tour is gone, including the parts he admitted I paid for.

On to part 4...

Donovan, you have done much more than 500 dollars damage to your image (if it was worth that much). It is obvious to everyone that you will lie, skew the facts to promote your own cause, and fuck anyone over at anytime if that is what is best for you.

Noone is going to do business with you. How many times have you been caught lieing to every reasonable person who has read all your shit tonight?

Answer me one question. Why did you lie about the 22k number when EVERYONE knows that is a flat out lie? Are you still contending that is correct?

Hey Moron,

In the emails I posted between us even Fletch demonstrates that he realizes this was something that was a mistake. It's been a year and a half since the deal was made. I paid Fletch $500. A year and a half later I remember the deal as me paying for the ENTIRE package and giving Fletch the 50/50 cut to provide consistent content updates. He corrects my false memory. I tell him that he's correct and offer to make things right.

Fletch made me an offer via email. I told him the price was too high and made a counter offer. Finally he made an offer I accepted. Then he decided he didn't like that offer (his own offer) and had baddog tell me that he had a NEW offer.

Why am I the bad guy here? Why?

Why are you onto part 4? Before this post you said fuck it and were filing suit on Wednesday! That doesn't seem to make sense to continue to comply after you said you were going to sue!

Just doing what has been recommended.

If you're going to criticize me at least be educated. Read this. Nope, I don't feel bad at all about publishing these emails. I'm not the one who brought it to the boards, rather than deal with it professionally.


August 4th, 2005: 6:38am PST

Fletch to Donny:

August 4th, 2005: 1:04pm PST

Donny to Fletch:

August 4th, 2005: 1:10pm PST

Fletch to Donny:


I told him I'd make it right. But considering that he'd been receiving 50% of the tour's profits without doing what he promised to do I thought the price he was asking was too high.

I didn't want to say that right away because the last time we had a problem Fletch went straight to the boards without even hearing from me. I mean, he didn't even confront me before to see what I had to say. He went to the boards and it turned out not being my fault at all.

So I decided to give it a few days to think about it and decide how I was going to handle this situation. How am I going to word things so Fletch doesn't blow up and get pushed out of shape?


So today, at 1:42pm PST

Donny to Fletch

Fletch flipped. At 2:51pm he went to the boards.

I was not trying to screw him. I just wanted to pay a fair price. I didn't think what he was asking was fair. He threw a fit like a little kid because he didn't think I was going to give him what he wanted.

I wanted a counter offer. I wanted him to see my side, too. He didn't. The rest is history.

I'm very PO'd right now. Why can't the guy handle things like a professional?

He thinks he's hurt my business and perhaps he has. But I've also received some ICQ comments that show his has been hurt by this too. Who wants to use a designer who will throw such a big fit and go public without giving an honest effort to work shit out?

$267.64 owed? What planet are u on? U cant possibly be buying this yourself right?

You cant make a partnership plus an initial payment and then when you owe money later on, say that the money that the other person was paid via the partnership counts toward the new bill. Are u fucking high?

You made an agreement of 50/50. You didnt ask for any new promo material. You've admitted that. You cant at a later date come back and stop the 50/50 partnership, continue using the work and then when confronted about it say that you dont owe anything for using them because of the $$ you paid the partner for the initial agreement.

I know what you're saying. Fletch violated the partnership by not doing the additional promo banners therefor you dont owe him the $582. But one, you told him not too, and two, you cant pay someone for the patnership split and then later say the $$ went to something else.

If I were you I would be happy with the $500 offer and be glad you're not being sued for thousands.

And on a side note, stop lying in the threads, you're making yourself look like an asshole. The whole 3 day 1:162 conversions, the 0:22000 gallery hits. Jesus man.

Atticus, take some time to read before replying.

Seriously.

I shouldn't HAVE to ask Fletch to create promo materials. That was part of the original agreement. He should have been professional enough to do that on his own.

The mistake I made was not pulling his percentage when he didn't come through. At the time he was very busy with Drink More Post More, the tour wasn't doing well, so I didn't bother him.

Again, why should a professional NEED to be bothered?

Do you feel he deserved to be paid to create that tour AND receive 50% of the proceeds? How many other sponsors would pay a designer AND give him 50% for doing no additional work?

I dunno, maybe that offer is open to all designers from multiple companies.

Lensman? BradShaw? Anybody? Do you guys make that offer?

Whether he deserved it or not isnt the question. It's what you offered and agreed upon. You cant offer a %. and then later when you are caught using unlicensed content, say that he has already been paid for it because of the % deal. If you wanted him to create more promo material as was the original deal, then you should of asked for it (whether you should have had to do that isnt really the point when it comes to the law). When he didnt comply you should of pulled the 50/50. He was in breach. You didnt. You paid him. End of story. You cant now claim that $582 was for something else and you're even.

You got caught using content that didnt belong to you. Be a man and pay him and realize you made a shitty deal in the first place and learn from your mistakes.

I never said the $582 was for something else. I said he owes me a refund for that for not upholding his end.

I can't believe he had the gall to ask for so much money for his banners after taking money he didn't earn.

I was going to pay him SOMETHING for the banners. I just didn't feel he deserved the price he asked last Thursday. I made him counter offers. He went public.

EDIT: on my fiancee's computer... accidentally posted in her name.

Sorry for posting in your name in this drama shit, babe.

I never said the $582 was for something else. I said he owes me a refund for that for not upholding his end.

I can't believe he had the gall to ask for so much money for his banners after taking money he didn't earn.

I was going to pay him SOMETHING for the banners. I just didn't feel he deserved the price he asked last Thursday. I made him counter offers. He went public.

EDIT: on my fiancee's computer... accidentally posted in her name.

I never said that you didnt get screwed on the original deal. But you agreed to it. You cant pay someone on a 50/50 partnership and then a year later say he didnt deserve it, therefore im not paying him now for something else which is exactly what you're doing. You're saying you'll pay the $500 for the banners you've been using but you're subtracting the $582 that you have already paid. However that $582 has nothing to do with these banners. That was part of an agreement that you made. No matter how shitty the deal was, you cant just decide that the $$ paid out was for something else.

1. Read the whole post. Where it says "EDIT" you'll find your explanation. I'm editing video on my fiancee's computer because it's best equipped for such things. I didn't log out of her account before posting.

2. I can, and I have.

That's it. Decision has been made. Don't agree? Fine. My decisions have been made.


EDIT: guess you figured out #1 cause you removed it. LOL

Nice to know thats how you operate. And on a side note I cant believe you are totally fucking your rep over $500. :Oh crap

I've had plenty of support on ICQ. I'm not too concerned about this drama whore damaging me.

How many clicks have you sent me? How many clicks have the people who were "going to sign up" sent me?

None.

Sounds like I'm missing a lot.

It's not about $500. It's about a little bitch stealing from me for a year and a half, then demanding full price, then throwing a fit when I tell him I'll compensate him, but not at full price.

Irrational decisions like this is why you won't find many seeking you for business in the future.

You will rue the day you made a beef over this 500 dollars.

Nope, I doubt that.

Again, how many clicks have you sent me? None? Hmmm...

I don't usually take Donny's side on anything but donny's right on this one.

Christ Fletch, you didn't even bother working with him on resolving this. The second things didn't go exactly how you wanted them to go you ran right to the board.