AEBN vs. The Others
 

It used to be AEBN vs Others ... Now there are more and more actual membership sites coming on-line that provide services that are pretty similar to AEBN although not nearly as comprehensive. I think the best one I have seen has 4,000 movies with a new one added daily. My guess is the conversion and retention rates on those are pretty good - a surfer would be likely to stay 4-5 months even possibly ?

I have been sending all my domain type in traffic (some targetted niche related stuff) to AEBN and this is what my stats look like

04/2008 3
03/2008 4
02/2008 2

05/2008 5
04/2008 323
03/2008 279
02/2008 389


A mere $.79 was generated during this same time period - needless to say I am not happy with the results. I did some playing around with AEBN a few years back and got pretty surreal results. I only sent a few hundred hits, got about 3 members and they sended up earning me about $30 a piece over the next few months - they are probably signed up under a different account now but there's still that chance they might come back and spend again. My questions, ...

Are AEBN and sites like it becoming less profitable or am I marketing it wrong ? Is there any direct competition to AEBN that stands out as being extremely strong right now ? Are the sites out there that offer X movies (unlimited viewing) as basic membership sites converting well and what are there retention rates like ?

Some actual numbers of what you are earning would be real helpful if anyone is actually willing to provide them. Thanks ...

I consistently make anywhere from 7 to 10 grand a month depending on the members time bought on Pay Per Minute. AEBN has always done well for me. And last month I became a "manufacturer" (put Claudia-Marie's first DVD release online streaming with AEBN) and it's already racked up another grand in its' first few weeks on it's own.
So yes, I do well with AEBN. :) It's always a nice little check to add in.

How much is residual ? What would you 'guestimate' your average earnings per member are ? If you are willing to share but not publically, ICQ me ;) Also .. is the traffic coming from pay sites in your situation or customized theatres/seo traffic ?

<--- 1,000,000 questions .... Not too many answers :pimp

XonDemand is the 2nd largest Adult Video on Demand Pay Per View provider with 60,000+ DVD Movies and 15,000+ Movie Previews...

I would like to show you want XonDemand can do for you,

I like to review the referring logs from our affiliate webmasters and help them target the traffic to the niche movie they are looking for...

at XonDemand you can see what niche categories your surfers and customers are watching to help you target the most looked at niche on the home page for starters...

then review the log files from the referring source of traffic with the affiliate.

let me know what we have to do to get your Biz...

I see a lot of time a webmaster promote aebn forever then try something else and the fresh look / new product converts great.. mostly better then an older theater that your customers have seen a thousand times...

:thumbsup


see sig...

CaptainSex 1,000,000 questions .... Not too many answers

the best advise anyone can give is test a product with your traffic then review it...

I mean I have affiliates that promote PPC - alot of affiliates - some do 1 and 12 converts other are 1/30 but PPC is great ;

also I have affiliates that promote SEO and do 1/20 and other affiliates doing 1/200 depends on the terms targeted.

also I have affiliates that promote type-in domains agian converts great but really depends on the domain name. ;- ) payperview domain will convert much better then freeporn domain...

lastly target what your traffic is looking for and get the most you can...

review your referring traffic logs to help you target your traffic more ;- )
like a quarterly or monthly review depends on the amount of traffic.../ conversions.

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VOD sites are still very profitable, but it all comes down to SEO. If you're buried in Google search results, chances are people aren't digging that deep into the results to find your site. If someone's searching for a specific niche, they're going to click through the first 3-5 results.

HotMovies has over 93,000 titles and with adding titles daily, we're set to add our 100,000th title in July. We offer many exclusives and our content covers all niches. Our affiliate program at MovieDollars offers you the chance to promote our content based on a custom theater YOU create. We are SEO experts who are willing to help you promote your site better based on traffic to your site to help earn as much money as you can. We've had a lot of webmasters come over from AEBN who are very pleased with their results with us. Check out my sig and contact me for more info, we'd love to have your business.

What she said! :thumbsup

If you are looking for long term money than Pay Per View is the way to go.

Here is my AEBN Ref =]

http://www.aebn.net/index.cfm?refid=AEBN005279

Check out this link to see how AEBN builds up over time.

http://www.freehugemovies.com/aebn_profits.html

You can derive a good number on how much my payout is currently based on those numbers.

What Pay per view company pays the most?

www.AdultRentalCash.com does of course!

We may not have the most movies but 40,000 is still more than any user can watch in his lifetime.

Why settle for 20&#37; - 25%? When we can pay you 35%

If you are concerned about the VoD market and don't want to do the long-term investment, we have a solution for that too. We are the only Pay-per-View program that believes enough in our site to pay PPS. You can take $35 PPPS

Bingo. Takes time and patience. I've been doing it a lot longer than FreeHugeMovies has and I can tell you that after several years it becomes a regular and stable money maker. Just looking at when FreeHugeMovies first got started...I'd guesstimate that he is making over 10k a month easy. But if you're just starting out now and trying to push a little traffic at a movie theater...don't expect to get rich overnight. It took me a long time and a lot of traffic to build up to good numbers. But once it is achieved it is well worth it. I've been preaching "slow and steady" to people for years and not many listened to me. They all wanted to get rich quick and get their money now.
Well, that's not how AEBN and other VOD type sites really work. You have to be willing to let them grow. In my case, I just put up a link to an AEBN movie theater branded with my tgp...put up a simple text link on the main page of Grampland and ShavedGoat...and then just left them there for years. That's all. I just let the surfers of my tgp's find them on their own with no tricks.
Patience, honesty, and giving surfers what they want. That's the key to making money.

Man $35 PPS is a great payout on VOD. It's great for the people who don't like rev share and gives them a new avenue to make money.

Correct, but would you rather make money long term or allow the company to make money long term with the customer you sent them? I guess it all depends on how quickly you want to be paid.

No VOD company has the selection and the quality of movies like AEBN. We encode each movie 7 times. For a serious porn watcher it doesn't get better than a 2048 Bit Rate on the latest and hottest releases.

Unnecessary spam in a discussion thread.

Most people prefer the long term money. Yet there is some uncertaintly in the industry right now.

That's why we offer the option of 35% revshare for life. Yes, we offer our affiliates a choice. Revshare or PPS.


Imagine how much money you could have made if you were being paid 35%. :2 cents:

What wants to do the math?

Thanks for that post!

I've never done well with VOD so I always end up pushing paysites in their stead. Your post gives me some on ideas and maybe I'll give it another shot with more of a long term profit frame of mind.

Now Now JDZ of course the % is higher but your kitchen has less in the Fridge so to say. :winkwink:

I thought the title had "AEBN vs The Others" in it? Did I miss something? :pimp

Ya you missed the fact that this is a discussion thread about VOD sites and what works.

How many movies is AEBN up to now? I know Hot Movies is getting close to 100k and most every VOD company has it streamed in 2048. We can go higher, but I doubt anyone has the computer capacity to watch it at 8mb.

I know a lot of companies lie about their numbers. AEBN has a few movies in their DB :thumbsup

We really are up that high :) We add new titles up every hour.

Honestly, though, at some point, a shitload of movies is shitload of movies - even give or take 10-20k titles.

For most of us VOD companies, our basic offerings are comparable, but it's bottomline conversions that count. I'd suggest going through each site as user - how easy can you find what you want, do they offer formats you want, etc.

Targetted vod traffic tends to convert much higher than membership sites, but your initial payout is lower. VOD users recur MUCH longer than average membership users, so over time your payout is more.

Check out which sites you'd think you'd like to use as a customer, and try them. If you're interested, I'll set you up with an account to test out HotMovies.com - icq 298547101 or email monica at moviedollars dot com

Actually there is a guy who pulls numbers for me daily that don't lie and well Hot Movies is kicking ass. Way to go on the 100k titles, getting super close!

We also get the stats on how many movies have all bitrates, etc.

AEBN canceled my account a few years ago when I stopped sending traffic even though I still had recurring members. I'm not sure why, they just all of a sudden sent me some threatening emails saying that my account would be canceled if I didn't start actively promoting them again. So I replied and asked what the hell was going on, the girl apologized and then a few months later I got another email from a different person saying my account was canceled. Who knows.

I agree with what Monica said

review your referring logs to target your vod movies that your surfers are looking for...

I had this affiliate sign up and start sending traffic = I reviewed his refer logs with him and found out that alot of his traffic wanted gay movies.. and he was not targeting them but started to after our review and made more from it... review monthly / quarterly refer logs will help you in find out what your traffic is coming to see, so target it better..= more conversion..more money..


but when XonDemand has 100,000,000,000,000,000. Movies then we will have them all...

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Okay, sorry I gotta ask. You encode each movie seven times?

We do once, then it goes into QA. Our QA Coordinators do their job and make sure the movie passes. It then gets hand selected screenshots . Any fails are re-encoded.

Just curious as to why the seven times?

A little side track for a sec.



xondemand - 35,845 - videos (gay + straight) - Revshare (25&#37;)

aebn - 69,225 - videos (Gay + straight) - Revshare (20%)

hotmovies - 92,112 - (Gay + straight) _ Revshare (25%)

Yappo.com - over 25,000 (Gay + straight) - Revshare (25%)

Adultrental - over 25,000 (Gay + straight) Revshare (35% - $35 PPS)



Hotmovies does not pay more the aebn because it’s making up for having more videos,*note hotmovies has more movies then AEBN yet AEBN payout is less*

Just like we don't pay more because trying to make up for anything other then a little lost time.

If you're going to jump on the fact that AEBN we in VOD first bla bla bla don't bother.. you will only point out that in a shorter time hotmovies was able to get more videos up then you.

Yes the new players have some things to make up for in the way of time. But we have had time to studio the market, crush our own numbers and take careful steps.

Things like offering higher revshare at 35% and offering a $35 PPS on a $4.95 sale shows both faith in our product and an understanding of the growth in the VOD market.

Things like giving webmasters stats that let them see how many new sales and how many recurring sales they are making so that they know a change in marketing was good or bad, and offering fresh new easy to use tools. Give insight to our understanding of the needs of webmasters.

And again please don’t jump to say that you understand the market and webmasters is better because you have been around in VOD longer, remember how long and how much traffic we sent you for all those years before starting our own VOD. Just like everyone else in this thread. We know and understand our traffic we saw what worked and what didn't work.

I will completely agree with Monica each and every one of the VOD companies on the market are basically offering the same service... Payper minute adult video streaming. We share a good number of the same movies.

We all also have our own look and feel, VOD is also not for everyone’s traffic and not everyone will come out with a 1:5 ratio on sales.

The webmaster knows their traffic best, What many webmasters have done is setup accounts with multiple VOD companies and work with each one for a couple months then sit back look at the numbers. After all you should send your traffic to where ever make you the most cash at the end of the day.

Let’s not lose focus people ... this thread was started by someone looking for help ideas suggestions etc...

and it was not intended to be a my cock is bigger then your cock thread... It’s not like I would point out that this thread was posted asking for help from a webmaster that is trying to make traffic they are sending to a company and at this point all anyone from that company has done is point out that they think they are better..

In all honesty any VOD with more then 5,000 movies and daily updates is worth trying out your traffic with.

How many times have you been told about some guy killing it with sales to an unknown site that some would not send traffic to because it was not a brand name site?


So I say again anyone wanting to see if VOD works for your traffic setup with a few different providers.

There are so many different ways to link in and different tools that can be used, that a test with traffic for about 2 months is needed to say if your traffic will convert with VOD.

Captainsex I have added you to my ICQ. My personal suggestion is that you select the PPS for running your test, should things not work out then at least you have not wasted your time and there is no need to wait for months. IF things do workout great we will be more then happy to switch you over to revshare if that’s what you wish.

JaydeeZee - [email protected] | ICQ - 332 476 407



For anyone else that maybe reading this thread please email or ICQ all questions to myself and I will be more then happy to look over your site and go over some different strategies that could work for you, your site and your traffic to best convert hits in to cold hard cash in your hands.

As a supplier of AEBN, I must say that they are doing pretty good.

AEBN offers on most of their titles

4 Windows bite rates
3 Real Media bit rates

Might want to update your records there. AEBN had over 80,000 ACTIVE movies in their DB a few months ago. :thumbsup

Okay, but would that have to make you encode them seven times or just get seven bitrates?

We have five and we still only encode the movie once.

IMO, not many people use Real Media.
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0801/

update your stats. it stops in aug06

Use your imagination

Is it true that Hot Movies counts One Title encoded in three different formats as a total of 3 movies?

So if they have 10,000 titles they claim to have 30,000 movies? If we want to count movies this way, then AEBN would have about 490,000 movies give or take a few thousand. =]

AEBN has great residuals.

:thumbsup

Yummi spamtastic!

Ya so I guess the point of this thread has compleatly been missed.
I would like to say thanks to not only Jerrott but also 1 other VOD company that was able to stay on topic of this thread..

To anyone wondering the webmaster that stated this thread was able to get help from someone other then AEBN.

I find it strange that in a thread that someone was asking for help the copmpany that was being asked for help can only post about how great they are and how great thier database of movies is...

So I will say ya you're great you're the best now if only you could take a few min out of your day and stop telling your webmasters that and helping them when they have issues.

To answer your question Hotmovies doesnt count 1 movie as 3
AEBN doesnt have over 80K in movies live (the number moves up and down greatly on a given day because they turn off movies that are currently not being viewed..

And don't post some thing about this or that let this thread go to bed.. the webmaster is already being helped by more then one company..

More posting is only going to show that you have still yet to bother to help out a webmaster that was asking for help. And honestly I have some ICQ's waiting so Im out of here. Anyone have question or comments contact info is at the bottom.



Current number of movies on AEBN
Results for diffrent video formats..
total number of movies liive 71,376 As of 1pm today
No by data is not wrong the numbers were verified long befor posting..

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hahaha Then XonDemand would have 180,000+ movies...

btw Jaydeezee - you are a little side tracked for a sec.
xondemand - 35,845 - videos (gay + straight) - Revshare (25%) almost ;- )
xondemand network includes - 57,237 - videos (gay + straight + lesbian + fetish + voyeur + porn star) - Revshare (25%) plus 5% webmaster referral...

btw XonDemand.com does not have every title... we have several niche websites with many more titles...

see sig ;- )

VOD -Sorry was only counting whats listed on the one URL and in the 2 main areas.. I'll make the need corrections and make sure to add all the other sub niches. for next months report on the VOD market and buy you a beer next time I see ya.

Um, not true. (Thanks Platinum Paul, too :) )

and props to all the other VOD companies too - more competition makes us all work harder.

Bump for the gorgeous and hottest Monica...

:winkwink::winkwink:

hot movies was done best for us.

moviedollars rocks!

AEBN is a great company :)

aebn is a monster ...

Maybe an affiliate can come here - not the VOD reps in a pissing match - and provide some stats to compare these several VOD programs? Someone who has promoted more than 1 of these programs.

Now you're fucking talking mate. :thumbsup:thumbsup

I've looked at some VOD & PPV options. But most want to give you crumbs for your original content. I simply am not going to settle for $15-20% on my material.

I'm sure your traffic will convert differently on each VOD provider..

Try XonDemand ; be Rock Star and party with me ;- )

:thumbsup

my personal favs = xondemand and hotmovies

My dick is bigger than all of yours!!! So there!!!!

Uhm.. Yeah.. I love alot of you in this thread.. All of you make your lions share of the $$$ like Monica said, competition is good, it keeps us all working harder..