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kenny 07-10-2008 04:28 PM

Crude Oil goes up $5 in twenty minutes - Airlines Pissed
 
Airlines are pissed and sending out emails.


An open letter to all airline customers


Dear Mr. Kenny M xxxxxx,

Last week, crude oil hit an all-time high of $146, and the skyrocketing cost of fuel is impacting our customers, our employees, the communities we serve, and the economy as a whole. United, and the majority of other major U.S. airlines, are asking our most loyal customers to join us in pushing for legislation to add more transparency and disclosure in the oil markets. Please see the attached open letter from the leaders of the U.S. airline industry.



An Open letter to All Airline Customers:

Our country is facing a possible sharp economic downturn because of skyrocketing oil and fuel prices, but by pulling together, we can all do something to help now.

For airlines, ultra-expensive fuel means thousands of lost jobs and severe reductions in air service to both large and small communities. To the broader economy, oil prices mean slower activity and widespread economic pain. This pain can be alleviated, and that is why we are taking the extraordinary step of writing this joint letter to our customers. Since high oil prices are partly a response to normal market forces, the nation needs to focus on increased energy supplies and conservation. However, there is another side to this story because normal market forces are being dangerously amplified by poorly regulated market speculation.

Twenty years ago, 21 percent of oil contracts were purchased by speculators who trade oil on paper with no intention of ever taking delivery. Today, oil speculators purchase 66 percent of all oil futures contracts, and that reflects just the transactions that are known. Speculators buy up large amounts of oil and then sell it to each other again and again. A barrel of oil may trade 20-plus times before it is delivered and used; the price goes up with each trade and consumers pick up the final tab. Some market experts estimate that current prices reflect as much as $30 to $60 per barrel in unnecessary speculative costs.

Over seventy years ago, Congress established regulations to control excessive, largely unchecked market speculation and manipulation. However, over the past two decades, these regulatory limits have been weakened or removed. We believe that restoring and enforcing these limits, along with several other modest measures, will provide more disclosure, transparency and sound market oversight. Together, these reforms will help cool the over-heated oil market and permit the economy to prosper.

The nation needs to pull together to reform the oil markets and solve this growing problem.

We need your help. Get more information and contact Congress by visiting www.StopOilSpeculationNow.com.

GrouchyAdmin 07-10-2008 04:30 PM

Not that the airlines haven't prepaid for at least a bajillion years to ensure their supply.

..but please, waste more database.

SifuE 07-10-2008 04:32 PM

bout fucking time!

GrouchyAdmin 07-10-2008 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SifuE (Post 14446264)
JEW$!!!!!

I think you should go get a drink of water.

tony286 07-10-2008 04:34 PM

this might put a fire under the governments ass

teomaxxx 07-10-2008 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenny (Post 14446254)
Twenty years ago, 21 percent of oil contracts were purchased by speculators who trade oil on paper with no intention of ever taking delivery. Today, oil speculators purchase 66 percent of all oil futures contracts, and that reflects just the transactions that are known. Speculators buy up large amounts of oil and then sell it to each other again and again. A barrel of oil may trade 20-plus times before it is delivered and used; the price goes up with each trade and consumers pick up the final tab. Some market experts estimate that current prices reflect as much as $30 to $60 per barrel in unnecessary speculative costs.


www.StopOilSpeculationNow.com.

GoldMan Sachs says otherwives:
"Goldman Sachs Says Demand, Not Speculators, Cause of Oil Rally"

wait, they made money most money in 2Q as follows :
* betting on oil
* underwriting fees for under-capitalized banks
* reduced taxes

do you think your goverment will go against Goldman Sachs? :1orglaugh

of course, there are supply problems, but there is a huge speculator interest too.
Currently USD trades as sort of anti-oil currency due FED and its monetary policy.

As I already posted here:

Quote:

Originally Posted by teomaxxx (Post 14380317)
Now everyone and his gradmamma are speculating in oil on futher dollar debasment.This is what you got, when you have FED trying by low interest rate policy, to bailout wallstreet banks, without any respect to average Joe, while some of those yet to bankrupted banks are trying now to get out of their own mess by playing a commodity boom too..
Nobody is benefiting from current low interest rates except banks.

The Central Eurobank head told it few weeks ago: "to cut interest rates at this point would be the same as taxing the people to bail out the banks. Cost of extra inflation would be the ultimate sign of moral hazard to save banks."

"Crude is now moving almost reflexively as a sort of "anti-dollar", a currency on steroids with eight times leverage. No matter that the global economy is slowing hard. Bad is good for oil in the topsy-turvy world of commodity funds."
from:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai.../ccview109.xml


Of course there supply problems too, but speculation factor is big too as we can see on $5-10 moves in one day, in particular those kind of moves connected to USD/EUR exchange rates...

In addition to supply problems, now you guys in the US got a pay for monetary policy of your institutions and we too as oil simply moves also as currency hedge with huge leverage.


dropped9 07-10-2008 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SifuE (Post 14446264)
bout fucking time!

NAZI!!!!!!!!!!!!

dropped9 07-10-2008 04:44 PM

Not for nothing... It is the fucking speculators fucking us... I overheard a bunch of spoiled rich kids talking about this shit at a party I was at... They were boasting about how much money they are banking with daddys money in the oil markets.

It is them that is fucking us.

mynameisjim 07-10-2008 04:47 PM

Last week didn't it swing over $10 then today it's up over $5 a barrel. Something as well known and as well studied as oil shouldn't be moving that much.

Speculators are a huge part of this. Just like the other guy said about the number of people buying oil with no intention of delivery. The same thing is happening with electricity and natural gas which is why my heating bill has more than doubled. They deregulated it and now investment banks are in the natural gas business just buying up gas and re-selling just to turn a profit. Same with electricity.

The energy markets are really out of control.

kenny 07-10-2008 04:51 PM

Here are the the signers of the email. Did anybody else receive this email?

Robert Fornaro
Chairman,
President and CEO
AirTran Airways

Bill Ayer
Chairman,
President and CEO
Alaska Airlines, Inc

Gerard J. Arpey
Chairman,
President and CEO
American Airlines, Inc

Lawrence W. Kellner
Chairman and CEO
Continental Airlines, Inc.

Richard Anderson
CEO
Delta Air Lines, Inc

Mark B. Dunkerley
President and CEO
Hawaiian Airlines, Inc

Dave Barger
CEO
JetBlue Airways
Corporation

Timothy E. Hoeksema
Chairman,
President and CEO
Midwest Airlines

Douglas M. Steenland
President and CEO
Northwest Airlines, Inc.

Gary Kelly
Chairman and CEO
Southwest Airlines Co.

Glenn F. Tilton
Chairman,
President and CEO
United Airlines, Inc

Douglas Parker
Chairman and CEO
US Airways Group, Inc

Sly 07-10-2008 05:03 PM

I have flown on five of those airlines within the past 18 months and I did not receive this e-mail. When did you get it?

kenny 07-10-2008 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 14446353)
I have flown on five of those airlines within the past 18 months and I did not receive this e-mail. When did you get it?

They sent it to me today.

There really is nothing I can do to help them. My representative is already one of the congressmen attempting to curb speculation.

kenny 07-10-2008 05:11 PM

I have a bunch of frequent flyer miles with United.

Maybe thats why I got it.

Sly 07-10-2008 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenny (Post 14446362)
They sent it to me today.

There really is nothing I can do to help them. My representative is already one of the congressmen attempting to curb speculation.

You also have a senator that represents you. And a governor.

mynameisjim 07-10-2008 05:24 PM

Can't believe such a thing got no news coverage on any of the business sites. Could it be a fake?

kenny 07-10-2008 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 14446420)
Can't believe such a thing got no news coverage on any of the business sites. Could it be a fake?

It took me all of 2 minutes to find some. :winkwink:

http://news.google.com/news?sourceid...&sa=N&tab= wn


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