a seroius question about the election:
 

so if you're just a 'flametard' you can pass on this thread pls.

I'm thinking about the candidates for prez and to be honest I'm not really that impressed with either choice. and here's why: they never do a damn thing they say they're gonna do anyway.

now obama says, hey fuck iraq, I'll get the troops home. the reality is it might take him 2 years to get that to happen so it's just bullshit from the jump every time he pops with that. in actuality I doubt if he can get them home any quicker than mc cain.

the jesus bullshit: mc cain has that nut palin for some reason, who knows the real reason for that, and obama was brought up in a white hating black church. he''s got just as many roots in the hard christian right as anybody. who knows what mc cain really thinks.

so now how about experience: mc cain has plenty of connections and experience with biz and goverment, i.e. making shit happen. nothing gets done with out that. sorry, that's just the damn truth of the way it is. now obama has biden, that fucking guy is locked into the whole machine and has been for years.

so right now I'm not seeing any clear advantage with 'political' connections. the only real difference I'm seeing is one guy is taller with a great tan. what's your thinking?

pls no hysteria about gov/big biz/oil money pls... grow the fuck up. that's just the true facts of life and it ain't gonna change in november, no matter who wins. if you think it will you have bigger probs than hanging at GFY :)

-bmb

The question most Americans should ask themselves, while choosing the lesser of two evils, is why there can only be two evils to choose from in the first place. Sure, there are independent candidates, but when's the last time you heard the media mention any of them?

Yup, it blows my mind that in a nation of over 300 million people, these the two best choices?

Obama is talking about a 3 or 4% increase in taxes on people that make over 250k a year, thats going to put a lot of small businesses out of business, the resturant around the corner from me went out of bussiness, they couldn't afford the miniumum wages, the Workmans comp and some new taxes, wonder what will happen when we have a president and a senate and a house that are all Democrats? Getting closer to a Socialist government I think.
I don't like McCain either, he's a little too right wing for me

Wrong actually.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smal...ion=2008101611

McCain uses very very loose definition of "small business" in making his points, citing Obama will raise taxes for ALL small business owners, making it impossible for them to succeed.

He doesn't really lie, but he's so very dead wrong that it's not even funny.
If he's willing to mislead the American people this much now, I can't imagine what he's willing to pull once he has power.

yeah, that's a real issue for sure... it's very hard for a new biz to survive taxation. I know the gov lifts my cash surplus every year. I've heard people say stuff like 'if taxes have to go up to afford the social programs, so what" not considering that if businesses drop up where will the tax money come from. and yes mc cain does seem like a nutjob, however all politicians are nutjobs anyway.

Well these are the questions which can be alleviated with a constant monitoring of government. But it's not easy as an average joe to do that for the 4 year interim when it really counts to pay attention.

For instance my concerns over Biden are alleviated fully by having listened to him all during the times his party was out of power. Check PBS.org for past interviews on Charlie Rose for example. He had been spot-on about so many foreign matters during the time they were breaking news items.

Obama has always had qualifiers on his comments on troop redeployment/withdrawal. I mean come on, it's Obama! His entire career has been one of standing on the razors edge between a YES and a NO. So yeah it's not like he's ever said "no matter what circumstances, I'll drag troops home myself if I have to by such and such a date". He's always said depending on conditions and advice from generals on the ground at the time.... all very open ended, non commital comments. But if you only hear them coming out of opposing pundits or candidates, they'll make you believe he's satan incarnate, so you have to have independant knowledge before campaigning begins.. After that, you're just screwed in a stew of bullshit fake facts.

And on the small business taxes, they claim only a very very very small percentage actually have TAXABLE INCOME over 250,000 a year after all expenses and such are counted... And if someone is making 250k in taxable income and closing business... doesnt it beg the question whether they were any good at business in the first place? I'm just asking.

I think a couple things to keep in mind are that when someone is trying to scare you, just remember: these people wont do hardly anything they say they will.
And if you are gung ho on your guy, just remember: these people wont do hardly anything they say they will.

:winkwink:

Where do you people get this crap???

You are completely uninformed

Obama will not rais the tax on small biz... the tax is on actual take home income of those making 250k or more per year

not the overall revenue of the small biz


really amazes me that in this day and time with the internet and information at our fingertips...... people are still clueless


If Obama is not elected president.... america will slip into nothingness

and all this talk about socialism ... cry me a fuckin river

we are bailing out billion dollar companies, bailing out foreign countries with human blood

... but as soon as someone wants to do something for america the crazy neocons start spouting all kind of crazy nonsense

This forum is a weird , crazt, below average IQ ces pool:2 cents:

let's stay out of flame territory pls... the truth of the matter seems to be no politician every tells the truth anyway, so lets stay away from 'he said, she said' here. because that's all it is... to you have any other reasons to prefer obama than he said. she said?

and oh yeah.... for those of you whom have zero clue about biz in the first place




. There is no such thing as a "small" biz where the principal or main owner is taking home 250k .

if hes taking home 250k in salary... that is not a small biz

If McCain wins and die... then what?

thanks, that's real information for sure. the only thing I remember about biden is the plagiarism charge for lifting Kennedy's speech the one time. hey fuck it, we all make mistakes :)

do you obama will be able to get anything constructive done?

the golden rule: those that have the gold make the rules $.02

lets try and avoid stuff like this

well nobody is gonna let the vp do anything that completely stupid. think of the prez like a quarterback on a football team.. there is someone over his head calling the big plays

I'm not flaming. I'm stating a fact as reported by CNN.
McCain is severely twisting the truth about Obama's tax proposal, even referring to Joe the plumber over and over again when the tax has absolutely nothing to do with him.

It is pretty common for all politicians to do that sort of thing but seems to be the staple of the Republican party, particularly the last 8 years.
What's next? He'll tell us that Iraq has WMD's?

I think Gen. Powell makes the case pretty well on which would best and why, without using all the 8th grade smear tactics that have become so common in politics.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=b2U63fXBlFo

to me it's all negated by the fact that powell is black unfortunately :( way to much of a coincidence, don't you think? I'll watch the vid now..

are you serious??

pls remember that CCN's MAIN purpose is to turn a profit. there is no incentive to tell the truth or report that facts. if they aren't 'inflammatory' and cause people to 'stay-tuned' for ratings they issues have no 'value'.

it struck me as odd, powell has not really been involved in politics before that I can remember. when they wanted to run him, he chose to lie low.

BM will Obama tax policy be a good thing or a bad thing for the majority of America?

Do you take home more then a qauter million per year?

I have no idea and at this point it's all smoke and mirrors anyway. all rhetoric for the election.

the content biz at my level does NOT generate that type of return. especially as the cost of producing content went up over 70% while clients are still paying the same rates as they did in 2000. the only people that are making big bucks are talent and agencies out here. $.02

I think the broader perspective is that "we" need someone who connects to the majority of the population and who has the backing of old and new washington.
The sentiment i feel is similar to that of when Clinton ran for office, people were excited about him.

While I do not have enough to to bring you up to date on everything related to the Bush administration, I will try to explain Mr. Powells position as much as possible

Colin Powell left the Bush administration because he was in constant disagreement with the republicans as it related to their vison and path for America.....

it has nothing to do with him being black and in my opinion to think so is not only ignorant ... but obtrusive to constructive thought

What about the number of high profile republicans backing Obama who are white.... do you feel they are backing him based on his skin color as well??

.... your statement esposes the fact that you do not believe that afro americans are capable of making political chocies outside race

My backing , I am sure Mr. Powells backing have absolutely nothing to do with race... just that some of us americans ... actually love america ....

and this love encourages us to do the right thing for America .... and that is Vote For Obama in 2008

Yeah it's hard to see past the attack stuff :( Thats why those live viewer polls always show people disapproving of attacks from either side. Why tv assholes say "well, they work" is beyond me. Oh wait, they live for drama.. case closed.

Can Obama get things done? I dunno. I think he has a nice shot. He didn't win Iowa, (relegating Clinton to 3rd!) by being an outsider, inexperienced no-name politician. He did it the same as he won his state seat: technicalities and meticulous work on the ground with community organizers (swish!) and getting more warm bodies to the caucus sites to raise their hands in the air.

So the guy is smart and capable. He seems wise on his choices of advisors so far. If I wanted advice on the economy, I'd pick Warren Buffet too, lol. Foreign policy? Biden makes a shitload of sense. And so forth.

I think for me personally, I'm less worried with Obama/Biden than I am with McCain/Palin.... by a WIDE margin. Lets face it.. giving money breaks and tax incentives to the more wealthy portion and to big business has had a fair run. 8 years I'd call it. Hows it workin for us? Good or bad? Vote your belief and we'll all live with the outcome.

powell sounded sensible however he was jerking 'heart strings' with the dead muslim soldier. why was he doing that if he wasn't trying to manipulate his audience?

I agree wholeheartedly... the only issue I ever had with clinton was when I saw him walking in front of american troops. it made me ashamed. clinton had no heart or pride that I could see :(

I just got back from voting; marked the circle next to Obama since that's the option I dislike the least. Yea, there's other options, but I didn't want to piss away the 20 minutes total it took to get to the polling place, checkin, vote and leave, on some 'other option' with no chance of winning.

He was trying to make the bigots ... who have forgotten what it means to be American... that our country consist of all kinds

and too constantly belittle and demonize muslims... is not American

not at all

here's the deal:I will not read your post if you call me stupid, if I don't agree with your opinion. I said NO FLAMETARDS pls

The media are as biased as they come but if we can't listen to the candidates and we can't listen to the media... and everything we share amongst ourselves is just flaming.... then, what exactly is the point of this thread?

If I say anything at all that isn't a shining beam of light on the head of McCain, you just dismiss it because it has no "value". You being so one sided, even so much as to say that Powell backs Obama simply because he is black makes you a 'flametard' in your own anti-flametard thread. :2 cents:

Yeah we need some black guy who can't even commit to shit. He has to umm and shit for everything to make sure he words every damn thing right but when he talks you never get a straight answer.

Fuck Obama

I did not call you stupid lol

I said that I felt that to think that Powell or Christopher Buckley came out in support of Obama just because he is of mixed race would be ignorant

thats not flame... thats fact BM

what you say makes sense. one question though... why is mc cains only platform "giving tax breaks to the rich'? that's all anybody has to say... isn't that negative branding from the dems? I'm sure mc cain has other areas of interest?

the one thing that hit was mc cains statement: I've been fighting for this country for 17 years and I have the scars to prove it.

while obama seems to be mostly charismatic. that's great for getting stuff done, but is he a team player? most really charismatic people are completely fucked up in the head.

A serious cartoon ?
 

http://www.fuckyoumang.com/tom-tomorrow.jpg

not at all.. I started this thread because I wanted information. so far pr_tom has interesting input, don't you agree?

seems like a few people out there can sus stuff out without just repeating slander and 'coined' media hype... that's all I'm asking for.

I don;'t follow politics and have little interest at most time... I've lit may a politician when I worked as a lighting director at a new station in the number 2 market. never really cared for any of them $.02

i dont agree with you on this. I think if we put Powell in a lie detector and asked him if his new allegiance with Obama has to do with skin color, he would say NO and the detector would say he did not lie.
However as humans we cannot control our biased brains, regardless of how hard we try, most of us are more comfortable with people who are more similar to looks and behavior similar to ourselves. It is probably a subconscious thing.

that pretty much sums it up lol

here's my thinking: the world is at war with us, the middle east with terror and oil and the Chinese and the Russians with financing and oil... we won't admit that on a public level. however it's very obvious to me.

so you're saying that we wouldn't be in the economical crises we are in if the dems had been running stuff? I'm not sure that's true. I am sure jr bush has done some that might not be right however I'm also sure he's probably done a few things right.

If a company goes out of business for tax reasons then they're retarded anyway

fair enough...that's probably what I'll do when I go to vote. :)

I guess you cant teach a lobster to read

Powell has always gone against the grain from republicans... always

But oh well believe what you want.... Powell backs Obama like many other republicans do... Because he is the best choice

.... Funny how just because he is black ... you and BM feel his support is based solely on this fact..... pretty sad

I thank god I have a brain:2 cents:

heh, of course the media is biased:) And I'm not convinced they even know it. I've through giving people credit for being intelligent. hehe.

Who decided it was a valid topic to ask for months "should hillary quit?" for example?

Why has there not been day long, week long, month long questions of "should mccain quit?"?

Some choice answers from back when hillary was being wondered about in this unprecedented way were: For the good of the american people. To end divise negative politics. Because at this time in our countrys history, we should not be fighting amongst ourselves.

god, this election season just needs to be over.

I liked McCain in 2000. THATS when he earned his Maverick label. Go to google and search for "mccain omnibus bill" (without quotes) and you will find his rants from the mid and late 90's all about peoples earmarks and pork stuffed in the annual budget. He was a maverick when he denounced the divisive right wingers and left wingers. Then he unmavericked himself by making up with them so he could get the right vote. He was a maverick when he denounced the tactics of swift boaters and karl rove, then unmavericked himself by saying he'd invite roves advice, taking a donation from him, then making it official that he's an adviser. lmfao.

Look I can't explain in a message why I prefer the dems this time, but it had nothing to do with any attack from any other party. My preference would have been a Clinton/Obama ticket. She got more votes and that was going against the grain, upstream against even the "left" media attacking her candidacy! LOL!

But that didnt happen, so life goes on. I can not vote for Mccain. It's just not in the cards after all of this time.. years and years.. and it's come down to him talking about joe and bill. Not biden n clinton.. the plumber and ayers. He's become what he hates.

I think powell is a smart man, I think he has valid reasons for what he did. the question is do I agree. that's why I started this thread. to get information. GFY actually has a few insightful people posting at times. $.02

maybe, I once read in a financial magazine that one of the hardest issues a company has is to survive taxes in the first 5 years.

and how are comments like this helping anything?

This is the second time you briefly touch upon the importance of being proud, patriotic and fighting for America. It seems a big issue to you and i think to many Americans who vote for McCain.

I'll think about all this, thanks