What you don't know about Israel
 

NEARLY everything you?ve been led to believe about Gaza is wrong. Below are a few essential points that seem to be missing from the conversation, much of which has taken place in the press, about Israel?s attack on the Gaza Strip.

THE GAZANS Most of the people living in Gaza are not there by choice. The majority of the 1.5 million people crammed into the roughly 140 square miles of the Gaza Strip belong to families that came from towns and villages outside Gaza like Ashkelon and Beersheba. They were driven to Gaza by the Israeli Army in 1948.

THE OCCUPATION The Gazans have lived under Israeli occupation since the Six-Day War in 1967. Israel is still widely considered to be an occupying power, even though it removed its troops and settlers from the strip in 2005. Israel still controls access to the area, imports and exports, and the movement of people in and out. Israel has control over Gaza?s air space and sea coast, and its forces enter the area at will. As the occupying power, Israel has the responsibility under the Fourth Geneva Convention to see to the welfare of the civilian population of the Gaza Strip.

THE BLOCKADE Israel?s blockade of the strip, with the support of the United States and the European Union, has grown increasingly stringent since Hamas won the Palestinian Legislative Council elections in January 2006. Fuel, electricity, imports, exports and the movement of people in and out of the Strip have been slowly choked off, leading to life-threatening problems of sanitation, health, water supply and transportation.
The blockade has subjected many to unemployment, penury and malnutrition. This amounts to the collective punishment ? with the tacit support of the United States ? of a civilian population for exercising its democratic rights.

THE CEASE-FIRE Lifting the blockade, along with a cessation of rocket fire, was one of the key terms of the June cease-fire between Israel and Hamas. This accord led to a reduction in rockets fired from Gaza from hundreds in May and June to a total of less than 20 in the subsequent four months (according to Israeli government figures). The cease-fire broke down when Israeli forces launched major air and ground attacks in early November; six Hamas operatives were reported killed.

WAR CRIMES The targeting of civilians, whether by Hamas or by Israel, is potentially a war crime. Every human life is precious. But the numbers speak for themselves: Nearly 800 Palestinians, most of them civilians, have been killed since the conflict broke out at the end of last year. In contrast, there have been around a dozen Israelis killed, many of them soldiers. Negotiation is a much more effective way to deal with rockets and other forms of violence. This might have been able to happen had Israel fulfilled the terms of the June cease-fire and lifted its blockade of the Gaza Strip.
This war on the people of Gaza isn?t really about rockets. Nor is it about ?restoring Israel?s deterrence,? as the Israeli press might have you believe. Far more revealing are the words of Moshe Yaalon, then the Israeli Defense Forces chief of staff, in 2002: ?The Palestinians must be made to understand in the deepest recesses of their consciousness that they are a defeated people

well..lets see what happens next :(

The people that care already know this, the ones that you're trying to reach very much like things to be the way they are.. ignorance is bliss..

not this shit again
nothing worst then people supporting terrorist groups like hamas i hate seeing this shit on gfy just stfu and gtfo.

Truth is not always fun to hear, right ?

A bit like the Warsaw ghetto ... seems you guys learned pretty well.

During the Holocaust ( which also took the lives of Jehovah's witness, gypsies, gays, etc ...), the International community, ncluding the USA, did not give a shit of what was happening. They claimed to not know but in fact they did not want to see ... Some countries were secretly cheering for the extermination of the jews ...

Situation is the same here ...

The new jews are the muslims and the new nazis are the jews :2 cents:

"Nearly 800 Palestinians, most of them civilians, have been killed since the conflict broke out at the end of last year"

you're fucking joking right?

do you know how many people are killed in africa per day?

i hope they go into full scale war in the middle east.. we need to thin the worlds population a bit..

Quoated for truth: "“The Palestinians must be made to understand in the deepest recesses of their consciousness that they are a defeated people."

The sooner that is realised the sooner that region can get on to peace.

A few more factoids about what ya said err Omitted. Back in 1948 Palestinians were conducting terror operations on and in Isreal which is why Isreal Invaded beyond initial set borders.

You spun the last portion of you fact finding mission. In the JUne agreement Isreal DID follow the peace resolution. Palestinians continued to fire rockets. Infact a Rocket was fired into Isreal before the ink was dry on the paperwork.
And your statement about less than 20 rockets in a four month period is a total lie.

Hundreds of rockets flew into Isreal during that supposed 4 month peace agreement.

It's better to look good than feel good.
--- Billy Crystal as Fernando

"Nearly 800 Palestinians, most of them civilians, have been killed since the conflict broke out at the end of last year."

Maybe Palestinians should realise that shooting rockets into a foreign country is not such a good idea. In contrast most intelligent people would not shoot rockets at an enemy that is far more advanced militarily especially after that military force kicked your ass for fucking with them in the first place.

What Palestine is doing does not even qualify as a rebellion but sheer stupidity. Maybe they should calm down, maybe they should go the peaceful route, maybe they should think about what they got and build on it and live a civilised life and ignore Isreal altogether. I know not gonna happen but damn... Those people should realise by now shit will only get worse by shooting rockets and blowing themselves up.

As an idiot who was recently banned for being an idiot, you'd think you would come back as a little less of an idiot. But alas, that's not the case.

Back in 1948, up until May 14th, there was no Israel. When people came and took over their land and literally kicked people out of their homes, you think the people were just going to leave and wish them luck as they venture out into death? Of course they fought back, as they have the right to do so under international law.

And when you say a statement is a total lie, you really should know if it is or isn't before you say that. Come on man, are you really still that dumb? Hasn't the ignorance hurt you already with getting banned then begging to come back like a little bitch? Take a second before you say something and learn the truth.

From the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 20 rockets hit during the cease fire. Here is the link.

So just stop man, you obviously aren't a very smart person, and things like this are very obviously WAY over your head, go back to doing whatever it is you do OR learn the FACTS and then maybe you'll be able to understand just a fraction of what's going on.

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This is a list of rocket and mortar attacks on Israel, which occurred in 2008. A cease-fire was agreed to by both sides and began on June 19, 2008.[1] Rocket and mortar attacks still continued throughout the cease-fire although less frequently than before the cease-fire went into effect. A total of 20 rockets and 18 mortars were launched from the signing of the ceasefire until the beginning of November.
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From the site you linked:

? Statistics of Kassam rocket and mortar fire from the Gaza Strip

Total rocket attacks:

Since the first rocket fell on Israel on 16 April 2001: 4,067
Since the Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in August 2005: 3,484
Since the Hamas takeover of Gaza in mid-June 2007: 2,056
This year:
- From 1 Jan through 30 Nov 2008: 1,571

Mortar bomb hits since April 2001: 4,1989


Pretty much says it all. Its an irrefutable fact Rockets and Mortor fired came out of Gaza during the "Peace" agreement. Even one rocket or Mortor round out of Gaza is no excuse. Palestinians violated the agreement immediatly after its signing.

Maybe israel should realise that shooting rockets into a foreign country is not such a good idea

maybe israel should think about what they got and build on it and live a civilised life and ignore Palestine altogether.

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Keep going with the ignorance AlienQ, you were wrong, and its funny that you're trying to even say anything now to cover it up.

You said it was a lie. And it wasn't, actually what you said was a lie.

There was a cease fire between Hamas and Israel, and that was adhered to by Hamas. When you invade a country, put it under siege and don't allow medicine and food to get in, then you're inevitably going to encounter some angry people that want to get back at you.

AlienQ you are an idiot, and I wish you would keep your posts to things that aren't important as they usually are about because you really should leave this kind of stuff up to non-fuckups.

And since you like stats so much AlienQ, here are some from a post I made on another board.

odds of dying from a hamas attack in israel: around 20 deaths from 2001 -2008

in that time

628 people will have died from lightning strikes in israel

and from 2001 - april 2008 13 people were killed in israel from hamas rocket attacks

in that time its estimated that there were 1300 palestinians killed from attacks by israel

the likelyhood of someone in israel dying by a terrorist attack then is twice as likely than the rest of the world

but in palestine, the likelihood of someone dying from an israeli attack is over 2900 times more likely than the average person

twice as likely versus 2900 times as likely

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rael_in_200 8

if anyone should be scared of rocket attacks or anything out there its the palestinian people, the israelis are NOT being very threatened by these rockets, at least not to the point of having to go in and massacre the palestinians

he said an exact figure, 20 , you said it was bullshit and that hundreds fell. The facts seem to agree that 20 rockets were fired during that period.

Oops so you made a mistake it happens, doesn't excuse hamas for shooting even 1 rocket but of course theres 2 sides to every story and israel didn't live up to their end either. Both sides are going to say the other side didnt live up to its agreement so its a moot point really.

Saying only 20 rockets came out of Gaza during the "Peace Agreement" is false.

Fact is... Even 1 rocket or Mortor round broke the agreement at any rate.

Again read.

"1 Jan 2009
1,571 rockets and 1,531 mortar bombs fired from the Gaza Strip have struck southern Israel since the beginning of the year (Jan-Dec 2008)." right there on that site you linked.

I will repeat it for you again in bigger text.

"1 Jan 2009
1,571 rockets and 1,531 mortar bombs fired from the Gaza Strip have struck southern Israel since the beginning of the year (Jan-Dec 2008)."

What dont you understand?

THats...

1,571 rockets and 1,531 mortar bombs

Now if you can not follow that this conversation is over.

Its like this guy is trying to make an excuse for shooting rockets into a foreign country.

Sorry kid, there is no excuse for shooting rockets into another country especially One Thousand Five Hundred and Seventy One of them in the course of a fucking year and then Justify it by saying Oh oh those rockets didnt do anything! LOL!

I think the lesson is simple. Don't shoot rockets into another fucking country...
WHo gives a shit how desperate they are or poor... They can afford rockets I guess they should be buying food instead wouldnt you think?

I live in Poverty and hate the system to but I am not buying rockets to shoot into the town next to me, I am buying food and getting on!

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AlienQ you're such an idiot it's astounding.

The peace agreement didn't last all year.

Go back, read again, and then come back and tell me how many fell during the peace agreement, not all year, not in 1975, not in 2003, just during the peace agreement.

Yeah I would think except for the fact that Israel has them under siege and they can't get the water and food anyways.

There is no food to buy, idiot.

Again AlienQ, I come back to the point that you're not mentally capable of talking about things like this, you make things up and then sit back like you actually did something.

Ok , you have convinced me . Hamas are the good guys , israelis are the bad guys , hit me on icq so we'll start a group and recruit more men to fight back the bastards and punish the israelis for their crimes , hurray to gfy - the saviour of the palestinian nation .

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SO what.. Palestinians fired rockets even if it were less than 20 during that peace agreement. Why do you think firing even 1 rocket is justifiable after signing a supposed peace agreement?

Fact is in 2008 1571 rockets were fired at Isreal.

Why you try and make and excuse like its OK, ehh Isreal can afford rockets fired at it, it was just 20 in a 4 month term!

I dunno man...

Calling me the idiot just does not seem appropriate here when you are defending 20 rockets fired into Isreal during a peace agreement is some how OK! LOL!

What are you talking about! THey got beaches they can fish, they can grow food, they got other Arab countries flooding them shit loads of cash every month...

Its probably more fucking money than the USA provides to Isreal.

Its not no blockade they had Egyptian borders oh wait till Hamas herrased Egypt to and then built fucking tunnels to smuggle in weapons...

Ya see them photos of Palestinians jeesus man they got better clothes than I do!
Jeesus dude...
I am done here! I mean come on... These people got everything going for them if they just decided to give peace a chance for fucks sakes.

LOL = you saying you were right, then proven wrong, then continuing to say you were right, then proven wrong again, then you admitting you were wrong. You should have stopped there.

You're too dumb to understand AlienQ, or I'd go on explaining, but honestly, you do not have the mental capacity to understand. Sorry about that, because it must suck to be AlienQ :(

BTW im also impressed by how much information knows a dude from thailand about the jew/arabs conflict in the middle east , not to mention why would you even care .
That's a jackpot hit , teach me how you do this please .

get your facts straight

1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine

Main article: 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine

In the immediate aftermath of the United Nations' approval of the Partition plan, the explosions of joy amongst the Jewish community were counterbalanced by the expression of discontent amongst the Arab community. Soon thereafter, violence broke out and became more prevalent. Murders, reprisals, and counter-reprisals came one after the other, killing dozens of victims on both sides in the process.

read it all here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War

How hard is that

I will say this though, you really are on the wrong side on this one and just think about it a little, there is nothing wrong with switching sides in an argument and you can't really agree that Israel is justified in killing almost 1000 Palestinians in 16 days, almost half of them women and children, for any reason. Like I said, you're only twice as likely to die of a terrorist attack in Israel which is surrounded by enemies, but in Palestine you're 2900 times more likely to die of an Israeli attack (than the average person).

You have to be able to see how absurd that is and you have to be able to see the numerous violations of international war laws and human rights laws including the right to freedom of movement, and them using chemical weapons (phosphorus) the last couple of days.

The US is laughed at because it supports Israel, and the Israelis laugh at the US because everyone sees the US as the enemy while Israel is the victim. So all I'm saying it stop being on the Israeli side and hop onto the US side, the Arabs would be great friends with the US if it wasn't for Israeli, that means no tensions about oil, great economic benefits from both ends and things like that. But because the US supports Israel they've made enemies out of the Middle East and in the process, alienated themselves from the rest of the world, labeling themselves as unjust and hypocritical.

You know Israel is one of only three countries that refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty? Those are Israel, India, and Pakistan. Why are they allowed to have nuclear weapons, but not abide by international laws, when even the US follows those exact laws. Somehow I don't like the fact that these countries think they're above international law, not Israel, and not Pakistan or India.

I know you're a stubborn dumb fuck, but people aren't talking out of their asses when they're talking about this stuff and you have to realize that your point of view may not be the best point of view for this stuff. So check out the other side on this argument AlienQ, I'm sure you'll find it a LOT easier to fight for something that is right rather than defending something that is wrong.

Yeah so fuck the Isreali's for wanting defined borders!
I think everyone knows Islam is not a very tolorant group or accepting group of those whom have other beliefs...

It can be said Isreal was a mistake from the get go... Sure, that can be assumed by now!

Maybe the real holy land for the Isreali's should have been about 200 miles of the Texas coast. But reality is what it is.

its nice to know you have the absolute truth, that makes you ??????

No no, I can can Justify that killing even 1 person is certainly justification for killing a 1000. These rockets indescrimantly kill. Hamas dont give a shit where it lands, why should Isreal give a shit when returning fire?

Sorry... Palestinians have no Justification for shooting rockets at another country. Period. NO excuse zero, especially during a peace agreement that would bring about a two state solution. Hamas using Palestinian children to hide behind is an atrocity. Hamas shooting at UN trucks bringing in food and medical supplies during these so called "Lull's" is utter stupidity.

You look at these photos and see Hamas guys holding machine guns while surrounded by like 20 children and I do not see anything honorable in it.

Im going to guess someone doesnt like jews, whats the matter local rabbi tagging your wife behind your back? A little secret about women dude... they like the circumcised penis. :1orglaugh

Wash your foreskin she might come back to you.

http://islamicmyths.files.wordpress....191293_img.jpg

Do they hate Jews too?

OH WAIT...

I like Jews, tons of my friends are Jews, and I have no problem with Jews.

This isn't about Jews at all, this is about Israel.

Not Jews. Some of my closest friends are Jewish and I chill with them all the time.

I am also circumcised :winkwink:

Some good points and still...how little do we know. They only feed us with the things they think it's necessary. And who the hell is 'they'?!It's delicate

Yes they do have justification, like I said AlienQ, you need to learn before you argue.

They have the RIGHT to resist the occupation of the Israelis under international law. That is the same RIGHT that you have to freedom, the same RIGHT you have to resist any occupation of where you're from against an invading force.

That is their justification, they are allowed to resist. Palestinians, unlike Israelis, operate under international law. Israelis say fuck international law, we are the victims, don't hate us hate the USA, they support us. And they sit back as the world lashes out at the US.

Stop supporting terrorism on the US by supporting Israel, I thought even you, the scum of scum, would be better than that.

so many pepole are stuiped
 

Phaseman - for an arab guy you know very little about palestinians or israelies.

hamas was elected by gaza citizens in "democratic" elections.

all gaza is under hamas goverment.

israelies are out of gaza for more then 3 years. even not 1 israelie there!!!
(accept 1 kidnaped soldier...)

hamas shooting rockets allmost everyday on israeli cities.

now israel kick hamas terror group ass !!! now they are crying.
the all leadership hide under a hospital in a bunker!!!

thay had 3 years to use water, electricity and other supplyes
(which they got from israel !) to builed a better GAZA.

they preferred to bought missiles and rockets... great.

850 dead ones in the terroists side - nice numbers.
most of them are terroists. some are civilians who let the terrorists hide in thier houses.

now keep on crying because israel sending more and more soldiers... :321GFY

+1 :pimp

Wow, that's a shame.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungari...lution_of_1956

Are those terrorists too? Because back then they sure were, now they're freedom fighters. Most Hungarians understand and respect the struggle of the Palestinian people.

Learn before you start typing.

Israel did leave Gaza, but they put it under siege. That means no water, no food, no medicine or at least not as much as they needed got in. So I don't know what you mean by they had 3 years to use water, because they didn't have three years to use anything, the whole time Israel was making sure they didn't do that.

Also, Israel won't allow Palestinians to expand their homes and things like that. How are they supposed to prosper in those kinds of conditions?

they probally did it with a reason oh mighty one.

How about stop shooting rockets at a country that has bigger bombs and more guns than you for starters...

But ya know I say yeah let them resist, let them resist till they are blue in the face and until they tire of "Resisting" if thats what you want to call what Palestinians are doing. In my book I call it suicide but to each thier own.

Nice!
Resistance = Indescrimantly shooting rockets into another country during a peace agreements and hiding behind children...

Let them people fight all they want till the last one drops in a hail of gun fire. So be it.
There will be no peace in that area till those elements are all dead anyways.

If Palestinians turned Swords to Plow shares they would be a very sucessful country.

PS: You attempts to paint Isreal as some sort of Non-abiding member of the international community is a preposterous joke. I do not recall seeing Isreali's hiding bombs in places of worship or sticking families in front of missiles while talking thier daughters into suicide missions...

some of my best friends are n i g g e r s.... :1orglaugh

so its about isreal and not the jews because you have some jew friends?

so, would you mind telling me who is running isreal these days if its not the jews (besides the US of course)?

i am all for isreal bombing lebanon and killing woman and children and lebanon doing the same..

as long as the world feels it's ok to turn a blind eye at africa and the true attrocities, i say let the needless killing in the middle east continue full speed... :2 cents:

nuke those israeli faggots already!

What siege ? it's israel who supply all the demands to these palestinians in gaza including electricity , goods , medicines . it's not like israel prevents from other countries to to deliver supplies , although gaza is a totally independent state with goverment and system . Now why should israel keep wasting it's sources to those that are firing rockets to its citizens ? and your "siege" never started when israel left gaza 3 years ago but only 1 year ago when rockets were fired in greater numbers every day .
So learn the facts before you come here and spread bullshit .

cept your the only one who says that , every other person including the idf says 20 rockets were fired

anyone can simply google it and find out the number is 20 , arguing the point is silly

the key words are "the beginning of the year" not what you said "four month period"

there are 12 months in a year not 4

That could have been anywhere. We're suppose to watch these videos and take Israels word for it? I didn't see anything that resembled a school in that video. Looks to me like they were hiding under trees and that's about it. And if the full video was suppose to be the same rocket/scene, it isn't. That's like showing us a few frames at the Pentagon and calling it a plane.