Is It Possible For Sponsors To Shave On NATS!!!
 

Im just asking, so is it? :winkwink:

1st RULE: You do not talk about shaving.

Is there a second?

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Wow! Guys relax, i was just asking!

a while back (I'm talking about 2 or 3 years ago) one of the biggest programmers here on GFY showed that it was possible. I wont name names, but if you do a search for posts by an easy-going, nature-loving programmer here + nats shaving, you'll probably find the thread.

does he "smoke"

I dont think that was ever proven and its honestly best not to talk about it.

anything is possible

i dont think shaving is basic part of nats, but anything can be programmed by request or by your own, thats for sure :)

It's technically possible to shave if you run Nats on a webmaster program, there are several ways, mostly work-arounds, so not a fault/bug/option inside Nats itself.

So to answer your question, yes for a sponsor using Nats it is possible to shave, but it can be done without intefering with Nats itself.

Also if the program gets caught they will have their Nats license revoked.

Shaving is always possible no matter what affiliate script.It is enough to put parent java script right before join form which replace affiliate id so affiliate will seen clicks in control panel but no joins.

what he said. there is a way to set up any software to not count hits or sales.

Wow, I didn't think KlenTelaris would have it right.

You can shave using anything, I can think of a half dozen ways off the top of my head to shave with NATS or MPA3 ranging from 5 minute jobs and somewhat easy to detect, to complex things that would require many test joins to figure out...

You should be trusting the program you send your traffic to, not the script they use.

What does one have to do with the other NATS and your ability to Shave are two different things.

For a fact item you cannot Shave using NATS software as you are not allowed to edit the code in that way. However there are a million ways any webmaster can think of to circumvent that. enjoy

Get ready for a lawsuit.

AMEN!!!:thumbsup:thumbsup

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I agree about using people you trust. If you find them, hold on to em, send them your traffic and cash the checks.

the only people who say shit like this are people with interests involved within the networks. this is a topic which MOST DEFINITELY SHOULD BE DISCUSSED. affiliates should be very concerned with shaving, and should be talking about it, testing for it, and in the know regarding those who are bad shaving programs. becuase there are some out there that are downright awful.

Word on the street has always been the nats does not have a built in fature to regulate shaving, and the misconception is that shaving is impossible via nats. obviously this can be worked into the system at any point. and again, doesn't figure in the fact that it can simply track like shit, which alot of nats networks seem to do also.

best not to be talked about? WHAT A FUCKING JOKE.

My traffic is credit card in hand traffic... usually..
and converts with 1:under100 for some programs..

Ya gotta think though.. the clients reading my blogs are spending, happily, throughout the day.. However only with AWE do I convert to reflect what I think my paying customer amounts is. My guys HAVE their cc in hand when they're on my site usually... Spending anywhere between 2k-5k per day. everyday. That's a whole lot of willingness to pay for sex.

I think amount of traffic sent affects your shave ratios.. which is borked for people like me who have credit card in hand traffic. I think there are a few webcam companies out there who've made a buttload off of me.. with their 1:500+ ratios that I know are BULLSHIT.

And not to be spammy with the whole AWE thing.. but I never noticed it was that bad til I signed up with them.. and saw my ratios were just WAY different.. for the same kind of side banner/blog creative.

Realistically you shouldn't be "trusting" anyone or anything. You should be "knowing" by "testing". Throwing your time and money at promoting an affiliate offer based solely upon trust that you are being fairly creditted for your leads is flat out fucking stupid....

word and word. You can't shave with NATS, but there are quite a bunch of ways for programs using NATS to shave, some of them easier than others, all of them (that I know) skip NATS. Same can be done with MPA3 or any other software, so, as Fuzebox said it finally comes to:

You should be trusting the program you send your traffic to, not the script they use.

Thanks, cos we couldn't read it ourselves the first time.

well, you're right, but you trust someone or something based on experience (ie testing, knowledge). I mean if you're slightly smart, the ones trying to jump on bros-wagons and hype usually ends fucked in the ass :2 cents:

my pleasure, always here to help :thumbsup

:2 cents:

Bottom line is this - NATS makes it very very difficult to "easily" shave, and it's a point in licensing their product that you will not shave, or have your license revoked.

It shouldn't be a dirty word so as to be afraid to be discussed, as it involves everyone here. Instilling fear with the threat of banning to even mention the word shaving is bullshit - every single CMS ever used to this day uses an unecncrypted database. Therefore, yes it's possible to shave.

And so what is the question? Is it possible to shave usig nats? Yes, is it possible to shave on mas? Yes, is it possible to shave on xyz? yes

IMO, the question is do you trust your sponsor? If no, then stop promoting them.

so in short, for those who didn't see it:

You should be trusting the program you send your traffic to, not the script they use.
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in 1969 we where able to send a human to the moon, im thinking that in 2009 it is possible to shave with nats or any program, if you have doubts about a sponsor just move on and use another, a good line from the movie ronin "when in doubt there is no doubt".

well, you said it in less words, not necessarily less space :winkwink:

in any case....
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wHaT???

yes, I see it wasn't noticeable :(

so here we go again...

http://fdsign.com/gfy/youshouldtrust.gif

..dick :2 cents:

Why? Because the guy who use to own the site under your username admitted to shaving?

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=603724&p=9794494

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Why would a program owner decide to work with NATS if they are planning to shave? Ok, maybe to give webmaster's credibility. But there's no point to deal with NATS if a program owner knows they would be going through all the hassle of shaving. Just create your own program.

It is possible to shave on NATS, but it the programmer would have to go through some trouble to be doing that.

Not worth SHAVING if you;re on NATS....

it's VERY easy to shave whatever software you use... anyone thinking something else is stupid.

trust the program or don't trust the program.

yes its possible, and plausible as with any software , although to be fair its probably harder to do with nats than with many other affiliate software

trippy thread man

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I feel more safe to work with NATS sponsors, just wanted to mention this, I realy do.

how does thehun make money again?

chill out, just having fun :)

All these up-in-the-air ways to shave and not one post on how someone could do it. I would like to hear about some of these possible shave methods.

i think i should trust the program i send traffic to, not the script they run

...... how the hell did that came in my head?

How did all you guys get to trust the programs you send traffic to? Do you like hang out with 40-100+ owners, the reps, visit them at the office, in personal life, etc.. to see if you can actually trust them? Damn, you pimps are busy!

if they use the last link clicked method, (which my understanding is most programs do), you would need to add another affiliate link on one of the tour pages or the join page.

then people that clicked that link would override the actual affiliate code

thats one of the simpler ways, and im not going to post any more, cause i dont want to give people ideas

I only trust top notch Bros

Last link click method?

Yes, a program could steal your traffic/sales on the site-tour or join page, by resetting the linking codes. Most NATS programs use strack codes, which don't steal from the Webmaster.

This isn't really shaving though... it's wrong or maybe an error, but it isn't shaving.

yes, that's the way to do it :)