obama should not have said anything about black harvard professor
 

somebody else saw 2 black men breaking into a house and called the police, the police were compelled to go there no matter what, when they got the call.

when the professor started getting angry, the officer arrested him, but that was a matter of a cop arresting a guy whose being an asshole to him, black or white

no idea why the president is bring race into this, as the determination that the house was being broken into was from a private citizen

obama for black people

I think Obama said something yesterday like, "I do not know whether race was a factor in this, because I wasn't there. If race played a role it's unfortunate."

Yeah, seems to me the only racist in that situation was the professor.

Everyone knows that if you stop a cop from doing his duty, or get in his face like that... you're asking for trouble. The police acted stupidly? No, the professor did. :2 cents:

You're racist for thinking that.

I think arresting a friend of the president is not a good idea. :1orglaugh

Shut up cracka.

Shit, I did not know you were there as a witness :thumbsup

i dont think any of the facts i posted are disputed, perhaps im wrong?

There is no need to argue this when you look at the facts

But yes, Obama was wrong to call the cop stupid thats for sure and he will regret it becasue all witness accounts back up the police officer. The police report was written by a second cop on the scene and corroborates much of the officer story. Gates on the other hand is a race baiter, his entire living is made from racism, and i have said in my blog, if racism disappeared today, he would not only be out of a job, but would start a racist argument just to get whites and blacks fighting again so he could profit from it.

Any white who does not educate themselves on race baiters and how to deal with them, is a target/victim waiting for these race profiteers.

I also find it hilarious that this particular officer actually TEACHS CADETS how to not racial profile, this Gates guy will be made an ass when the police-to-dispatch audio is made public, and it will because even though I dont like cops, I side with them on this issue, I am so sick of these black scholars who profit from racism in America and never really do anything to stop it... because if they did, Gates would have to find a real job instead of teaching racism/black studies shit.

Gates not only wouldnt identify himself, he began to threaten even the cops mother he shouldve been locked up. And if any white man did it, he too would be in jail and guess what the charges would still stand and not been dropped.

FUCK RACE BAITERS, EDUCATE YOURSELF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_baiting

it makes me so mad when people call me racist for my points of view..

i have many n i g g e r friends...

Yes, they are disputed .... So you are doing exactly what you blame Obama of having done ....
He should have stick with :

I am not priviliged to the facts, so I will abstain from giving an opinion. :2 cents:

Typical straw man arguments, to get your perverted ideology in about black studies. Do you feel the same way about Judiac and Asian studies as well?

Obama didn't call the officer stupid, he said he acted stupidly as it is clear Gates did as well.

However, it should have been left at that, and the officer had no reason to arrest Gates once it was clear that Gates was in his own home. It's clear from the initial investigation that the officers were NOT concerned about their safety given the way they engaged Gates from the start -- they didn't think he was the person who broke in clearly -- as they would have asked him questions AFTER sitting him on the curb in hand-cuffs.

The whole situation is a push between two people who had limited amounts of power -- Gates a bully pulpit, the police officer handcuffs and a gun.

Property rights are a very conservative ideal. Think about how long they wait to arrest people for refusing to pay taxes pay going into their home and extricating them.

As far as any white guy being arrested ... who knows, I seriously doubt the University Police would arrest any tenured prof. making millions a year.

That's the system, and perhaps that's why you are upset. Rich people arent' supposed to get arrested in their own home.

:2 cents:

Funny, you quote a line about me saying, when you look at the facts there is no need to argue, proceeded by your desire to argue about shit that has nothing to do with why this racist was arrested.

He is race baiter, he got what he was after. A racist event to promote his latest tv show, book, and now dvd about racism in America. Meanwhil.e, it was HIS BEHAVIOR that got him arrested not his skin color, but as I said, and you so cleverly avoided, when you look at the facts i the case, gates got what any white man would have gotten, arrested.

Typical, avoid the facts and choose to argue about some off the wall crap.

As report clearly says, officer was satisfied with his ID and was leaving, gates followed him continuing his nonsense, spin it how you want.

I think Obama should have left it at he wasn't there and as as a personal friend of the person in question his opinion is probably biased. If race played a part in the situation that would be unfortunate.

I wouldn't have gone out on a limb and say the police acted stupidly, especially without knowing all the facts.

From what I have read, Gates was upset the cops demanded identification, he did initially refuse and accuse the officer of racial profiling, but he did in the end produce his id and show that he was in his own home.

After that the officer should have left the scene, but instead the men continued to exchange words inside Gate's home which resulted in Gates being cuffed and charged with disorderly conduct.

I don't think race played a part, I think the cop was having a bad day and Gates pressed his luck. It's not illegal to curse a police officer, but it's not a good idea either- no matter how much in the right you are and this is a perfect example of why. If you give a cop enough of a hard time they will bust you for something.

Incorrect, report (written by another cop on the scene) says the officer told gates he was "leaving the residence" and Gates fololowd him outside and began yelling more, incuding epithets regarding oficers mother.

Everyone, please read the report at least.,

double post

Incorrect, report (written by another cop on the scene) says the officer told gates he was "leaving the residence" and Gates fololowd him outside and began yelling more, incuding epithets regarding oficers mother. Which was all witnessed by 7 - 10 people standing on sidewalk, including other professors.

Everyone, please read the report at least. Gates response to cop asking for id is quote "I will not"

reading is learning

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...092gates2.html

you can see how it went down fairly quickly by skimming first paragraph... but I advise all to read full text before making comments, this report was written by second officer and backed up by witness acounts

cop asked him if anyone else was in house, his reply "none of your business"

Shelly -- that's a pretty evenhanded assessment, I think the other key was that Gates wanted to get the badge numbers of the police officers -- something that usually pisses police off, b/c they know they will have to do a ton of explaining (whether that is fair or unfair).

How can someone be disorderly in their own house? It's an amazing concept when you think about it. It seems the police officers wanted to arrest Gates for not being thankful they came out to look at the house. While I think Gates should have been glad for the service -- there is simply no reason you should be FORCED to be grateful for some government intrusion in an area where he was not breaking the law. That's quite a conservative -- (more libertarian I think considering conservatives will use laws to in other was to intrude on people's behavior) concept.

Fletch -- It's worth noting, it shows your inconsistency of thought, and your aversion to stand up for your own ideals -- however odd they are, you used them as a pretext for the whole discussion (For example you "hate the police,"). Further, people normally do not get arrested in these types of circumstances -- let alone people who are extremely wealthy -- that's why these situations will always make the news.

As I said yesterday in this thread:

That still didn't give the cop reason to Arrest him.being an asshole is not a crime.

Bottom line, they arrested a guy in his own home who hadn't committed a crime.

That's basically the definition of stupid cop.

The amazing concept is you disregarding all witness accounts, people driving by in cars stopping to see the action because he was *drum roll* NOT IN HIS HOUSE. he was outside screaming, look this is what happens to blacks in America.

he was outside his home yelling at officers trying to do their job. even bringing up the officers mother? You are siding with Gates probably based on factors you care not to share.

You clearly have issues with comprehension to continue to disregard certain facts that have been long established and corroborated by witnesses. he wasnt in his house, try reading the report.

Thank you, and I learned my lesson with cops as a whiteman after tasting a hot hood for no reason but being smart ass to a cop.

After that, I have said yes sir and have never had issues with officers. Confrontational people taste the hood, not nice guys. Learned that and I am as white as the google bg.

You're forgetting one thing in all of this -- Gates had no idea WTF was going on. He was in his own home, minding his business when a cop comes to his door and asks him to step outside.

Anyone with half a brain knows that in your house you're on your turf, once you step outside you're on the cops, so he was right to refuse.

And FYI, that police report is fucking bullshit.

I read the report, thanks for the link. Now here's where you're wrong :winkwink:

Gates made the comment "I'll speak with your mamma outside" while he was still in the house, and I don't see how that would constitute an epithet.

Also Gates said, "I will not" when he was asked to step outside. When the officer asked for his identification Gates replied asking the officer for the cop's identification, but did give the officer a photo ID.

Take the race of the individuals off the table and all this ammounts to is an ornery old man who was yelling at a cop and a cop abusing his power. He didn't make any physical threats, he wasn't cursing or being obscene, he was just reading the cop the riot act.

Gates never left his porch. The cop should have gotten in his car and left the scene.

I agree here.

This was a random incident. Most cops would arrest me if they responded to a call and I got pissy with them.

It sounds like this professor is trying to play the race card more than Jesse Jackson.

Obama made the mistake of speaking up for a friend before the facts were in.

Obama did wrong here, but we're all guilty for sticking up for our friends and believing their story.

The trouble Obama ran into is that he has the biggest microphone in the world and every statement he makes is heard and analyzed.

He should have just said that an unfortunate thing happened to a friend but that he does not know all of the details and cannot comment on personal matters.

I think he was caught off guard by the press. He was asked a question about the incident and weighed in on the subject without thinking it all the way through.

I absolutely believe that the police racial profile. I also absolutely believe that too many people use the race card.

It's just a bad situation all around and it is biting Obama in the ass.

Gates was non-compliant with the officer from the minute the officer showed up and started race-baiting from the minute the police officer asked him to step onto the porch.

Imagine being an officer approaching a potential scene of a crime and encountering someone who not only refused to comply, but issued a racial accusation in response.

Remember at that point the officer did not know anything about Gates or who he was.

Then the officer asks for ID and again the person refuses. That is, until the matter is pressed and the person finally shows ID.

The officer then proceeds to ask another question, but his request is denied yet again.

A threat is then issued to the police officer and his badge number and name is requested. the officer replies - twice, but the person is so heated that the officer decides to leave.

Seeing a crowd gathered and probably feeling that he couldn't be "touched" at this point the person continues to berate the officer and steps out on the porch. At this point, seeing a potential scene, the disorderly individual is taken into custody.

Simple.

But Gates knows that the perceptions are stacked in his favor and everyone will cite every example they can, from slavery to Rodney King to Jena to back him. He's no dummy. Just a professor with a chip on his shoulder who lost control in this particular incident.

And for those who believe that Gates did not commit a crime. He committed several things that, according to police procedure, would have at the very least gotten him a ride down to the station, namely "Non-compliance with an officer's instructions" and "Loud and tumultuous behavior (being an asshole)".

Those two alone can get ANYONE a free silver bracelet set.

Try it sometime and see who a court of law will side with, regardless of color, race or creed.

Interesting that you continue to ignore all the rest of the issues you bring up yourself, hatred of the police being a key issue among others that are even more distasteful and that you proclaim affects your judgment.

Further, as it actually notes in the report the officer asked him to step outside essentially for the purpose of arresting him. So, I'm left to wonder if you actually read through the report or just skimmed it to find facts you considered to meet your ideological leanings as you describe above.

As I said earlier, and you clearly chose to ignore (along with the critiques of other issues you "dropped"), I thought both acted stupidly and Gates has a bully pulpit while the police officer had a badge and a gun, so he could arrest Gates. It's worth noting that the charges were dropped immediately.

Someone also noted, Gates never actually threatened the officer at all, and the officer also notes in the report he realized before asking for identification that Gates was the occupant of the house.

You can go back and read my second sentence in my first thread post, or you can carry on your strawman arguments -- where you have an argument with things that don't exist.

Anyway, I have other things to do it's kind of clear that you are interested in arguing with strawmen, I guess that's a slightly adv. form of trolling.

:winkwink:

That was done in attempt to alleviate any breakdown in community relations. The official statement regarding the dropping of the charges was neutral to both sides of the dispute and asked the public not to cast aspersions on either party in the incident.

That is not correct. The officer was threatened, not physically, but in the capacity that Gates would report him and get him fired. Also, there was no confirmation that Gates was the owner of the house until the ID with the address was offered.

You might just want to do a bit more research on this matter.

there you go again making things up, report says officer went outside because Gates was yelling so loud he couldnt relay info to dispatch.

You are twisting facts so hard its laughable.

Please indicate which paragraph states your position above in the report. LOL

To the actual thread topic: "obama should not have said anything about black harvard professor"

That is absolutely true. It killed the entire point of the news conference and IMHO every one of his staff was shaking their heads and palming their faces. Bet ya a quarter.


On the incident itself, once I read the initial interview with the professor on theroot.com the other day when it happened, it became clear what happened. He was jetlagged, pissed that his door was fucked up, and then a cop shows up and demands to see his ID. Anyone would be annoyed as hell. His problem wasn't "being black", it was being STUPID!!!!!! As dr king said, it had EVERYTHING to do with the content of his character THAT evening, in THOSE circumstances, with THAT cop. Period, end of drama.

YES the cop should have said "HEY, shut the fuck up old man, for all we knew 2 guys were in there holding your family at gunpoint telling you to yell at the cops to go away, dont you GET IT YET!? We had a report of a forced entry dumb ass!?" But he didnt. Do police ever do that? Fuck no! Thats not race related, thats power related! You want to mouth off? Fine, you're under arrest. Duh. If anyone really thinks a belligerant white professor would have got the police to bow as they apologized and walked backwards to their car is just...... lacking an objective view.

Focussing on this from a race angle is missing the forest for the trees.

you all are racists

I think he should not say anything that doesn't come off a teleprompter.

Thanks for this too bad most of the people who read this thread will skip this post and head straight to racist slurs and stupid insults they wouldnt say in anyones face.:2 cents:

Bottom line :

The cop wanted to show "who was boss".

He power tripped because nobody was going to talk to him like that.

Maybe there is a problem with arresting people just based on "I'll show you buddy, I'm a cop".

"I'll teach you to respect authority by arresting you for what amounts to nothing"; most
likely works in the reverse as people lose respect over the exaggerated need to arrest.

Reminds me when police accused me to steal my own dvd player which i was carrying.

blacks need to shut the fuck up already with this race shit, are there still people who hate blacks because of blacks yes but there are also still people who hate jews because they are jews and Christians because they are Christians and that will be that way till the end of times, but by blacks yelling race all day long they are making people think twice before hiring them etc because all of a sudden your like ill have to be 10 times more carful how i treat this person because they have a chip on their shoulder and yell race every minute.

its 2009 most people truly dont give a damn, and yes if your black and you rob from someone and they shoot you its not because you are black its because you robbed em, if you are black and you robbed the store you worked at and they fired you remember its because you robbed not because you are black, same would happen if you where white.

So lets talk real, are cops more tense when they show up to a robbery scene and there are 5 black kids vs 5 geeky guys with iphones? hell yeah and that wont change even black cops understand that and black cops are the ones that are more racist, problem is when you are black and you go a lawyer and say take on this racial profiling case this black cop beat me most lawyers wont take it as they like when its some white boy cop.

In addition 5000 black charities milk black people day and night for money in the name of making sure people dont fuck with blacks, how ironic that they are fucking with this people right there.

READ and educate yourself:

http://www.project.org/info.php?recordID=174

The report also showed large racial disparities, with black males incarcerated at a rate more than 6.5 times that of white males and 2.5 that of Hispanic males. At the end of 2007 there were 3,138 Black male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 Black males in the United States; this is down for the sixth year in a row. The second highest is the rate of 1,259 Hispanic male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 Hispanic males, compared with 481 White male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 White males. Amongst females the same disproportion applies to the rates in that 150 Black, 79 Hispanic and 50 White females per 100,000 of each group were imprisoned.

Does this mean you will STFU about Muslims? :1orglaugh

hahahahaha!!!!:1orglaugh always the numbers game http://www.gfy.com/images/icons/tongue2.gif

they should be having a beer right now together