It is my understanding that the military
 

leaders are asking for more troops for Afghanistan and thus far the President is not complying. I...for one...detest it when field Commanders are micro managed by civilians.

I agree that it should be civilian leaders that make the decision to engage our troops..but once they make that decision...they should take one step back and allow the military to conduct operations as they see fit.

BTW...just as in Vietnam...the Afghanistan conflict cannot be won as long as the civilian leaders allow safe haven for the enemy...in other words micro manage what the military can and cannot do.

Cousin deployed for Afghanistan last week. :(

the Afghanistan conflict cannot be won.

I spent 2 years in Afghanistan. Do you want to know what the bulk of American troops are doing there?

1) They are building a pipeline through Afghanistan. They are working to bring the oil from Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Central Asia into India where there is a HUGE demand for oil. They can bypass Russia and Iran by doing this.

2) They are guarding poppy fields for the pharmaceutical companies.

What you see on TV of them burning the fields is bull shit and just for show. The little bit of fighting in the mountains is very limited. It's about drugs and oil, nothing more.

That's because there is no conflict.

Wake up people. Anyone who has served there will tell you this.

Truth. :2 cents:

Were you in the military...if so what branch...and what was your MOS?

"The War on Terror"

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go on.

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Heard this from a friend who did some black ops there.. :Oh crap

To the best of my knowledge there is not a pipeline being built at this point in time. If I am not correct in thinking this...someone please provide a link that states differently. I personally know several people serving in Afghanistan...all of whom belong to Combat Arms..with the exception of one and he flies a transport helicopter...and all of which perform combat operations.

True. The politicians have no fucking clue how to run an operation and they should let those do it who know how to do it.

Not always true...if it was solely up to the military to call the shots on what went on during war the world would probably be gone by now.

Just because they are in the military doesn't mean they know more...doesn't mean they know less either. But to look at it from 2 sides is always good.

i agree with this guy

0311 & 8541

Bring the fucking troops back home!

I don't understand what Obama is doing.

Once American blood is shed, that land should be occupied by the United States until the end of time. We are still in Germany, and still in Japan. And we'll be there for some time.

Take the fucking leash off our military forces, and say "We don't give a fuck who gets hurt or dies".

There is a pipe line it is not all about drugs and oil but it is about control. There are plenty of black ops there and a ton of money to be made by all.

I know that plans were made years ago for a pipeline and those plans have been updated from time to time...but I am unable to find anything that says a pipeline is currently being built in Afghanistan. Do you or anyone have a link? What is your definition of black ops?

normal there is no war, its all fake

Every President since...and including JFK...has done the same thing. President Bush Senior was actually the best Commander in Chief...in that he gave the military all that was asked for and the time to get it in theater. His one mistake...in my opinion...was not to go on to Baghdad,

No sir, I used to work at KBR, Inc as an engineer. I got sick of spending an hour or two, morning and night, being driven in a bus to a work site while locals took pop shots at us and planted IED's in the road. A man can only take so much of that, regardless of the pay.

I've spent time in both Iraq and Afghanistan and I can tell you that what is happening in both of those countries is completely different than the media is reporting. Though, my ass was mostly protected by PMC's, I did spend a lot of time around the military, and those boys are not over there for any other reason than drugs and oil. Any conflict they do have is brought on themselves for running the locals off their own poppy fields and land. It's a mess.

Believe me, it's being built. I've seen it with my own eyes.

If they are not too embarrassed to tell you the truth, you should sit down with them when they return and ask them what it's all about over there. I doubt low level combat soldiers will know the master plan, but anyone who has spent a lot of time there should know the who, what, when, where and why of the occupation in Afghanistan.

When I finally had enough and decided that was not for me, at that time, they were discussing similar construction projects in Iran. :Oh crap There are also plans in place for various parts of Africa. One thing I can tell you from my years working at KBR, is that the master plan for oil is larger than anything you can imagine. I've seen plans on a global scale that will have the USA controlling most of the worlds oil within 10-15 years.

The media has spun this "war" and it shames me as a human to hear about it. It is not the truth, not even close to the truth. It's about greed.

Because the blueprints are not on the internet, you don't think it could happen? :helpme

You guys have NO idea the shit that is going on in the middle east right now, and not a word if it is on the internet.

Who is the enemy .... maybe I missed an update ????

I have a few friends that work for a PMC, working in shit holes around the world, usually doing shit the US military is not allowed to do, but each of them have spent time in Afghanistan and Iraq. Each one of them has told me pretty much the same as what you've said, that it's all a bunch of lies.

In fact, they said THEY (the mercs who work for the PMC's) have grown in numbers, hired by the US government, so as they bring US troops home, they are actually just replacing them with mercenaries who do not have to follow any protocol or rules. All the while telling the American people they are bringing troops home and it's all a success. Fucking crazy.

Disagree and one of the many reasons Obama is not the man for the job.

The US is building for about $4 billions of military bases and other installations in Afghanistan and even more in Iraq.. They are there for the long run.. This gives them a strong military presence in the middle east and right next to Russia and China... I believe the PNAC document talks about it...

I could have told you that.. The only reason we went into Afghanistan was to secure the Unicol pipeline deal. When George Bush Jr was Governor of Texas he met with the Taliban and had them come to Texas to try to secure a pipeline deal.

He couldn't do it then, yet the guy we put in charge in Afghan as the puppet president from the start was an ex Unicol spokesmen. One of the very first things he did after being put in office was to secure the pipeline deal.

Pretty much makes more sence then the official story... but who knows

I am former career military and some of the troops that I served with...and have remained in contact with...have served...and some are currently serving...in Afghanistan/Iraq...as well as some of their children...and I have spoken with and still speak with them from time to time. Not one that has served...or is currently serving ...in Afghanistan...has mentioned a word about a pipeline being built...let alone the bulk of the military is being used to protect a pipeline. I have not heard a word about this in any media...I am unable to find a word about it on the internet...and yet I am supposed to take your word that a pipeline is being built and the bulk of our military forces are being used to protect said pipeline.

perhaps you don't know how to do a simple Google search?

http://www.thestar.com/article/679670

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=h...047c2a76fad57b

A governments' goal is money - every decision they make is directly or indirectly linked to more money. Nothing else.

Shit man ... you are ruining the flag waving bandwagon ....

We are there ... so we do not have to fight them here ....
To get rid of the insurgents that we supported and armed against the big bad RED machine ....
No fucking pipeline here :1orglaugh Gas & Oil are not a commodity that the Freedom fighters need or would fight for ....

It is kinda hard to win in a country like Afghanistan. You have to think is degrees of failure. Empires and armies have tried since the time of Alexander the Great to pacify Afghanistan, and all have failed -- Britain is even up for another go, even after having it's ass royally handed to it at the Kyber Pass about 160 years ago.

Good...

We don't need anymore troops in Afgan, smart man that Obama, listening to his military advisers that are extremely experienced at war.

I wait for the day he gives the order to bring the majority home.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2608713.stm The deal was signed in 2002 just after we installed the puppet president. (notice him in the background in the pic)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline

Granted I dunno if it's currently under construction, but is it damn sure one of the major reasons we went into Afghanistan. Also if you do any reading about our troops in South America whom are in places like Columbia and so on and are "advisers" to the war on drugs. Well you will find most of them are stationed close to the oil refineries.

The deal is, oil is a major reason why we are interested in these area's. You think if it wasn't for oil we would give a rats ass about the Middle East or South America? It's not as much about the profits for big oil companies, as it is the national security and world dominance of the US.

The reason the US dollar is still the worlds currency is because oil can only be bought and sold in US dollars. The US needs to control the majority of the world's oil to remain the world's dominant supper power.

We will most definitely be doing more in Africa in the future as well. China has been making the moves there for a while and the US ignored it, but as we get things under control in the MI we will surely go into Africa as "peace keepers" or more anti terror BS.

you are not wanting to hear them then

it was the only reason...once the taliban rejected the plan to build the pipeline..they were villainified and before they got home the new plan was set into action

everyone knows this

Then it must not be true.

Please point out anywhere that it states a pipeline is currently under construction in Afghanistan...let alone the bulk of our forces are protecting said pipeline. I have already stated that I am fully aware that the planning of a pipeline was began several years ago and that the plans have been updated from time to time...but to the best of my knowledge the plans are stiill just plans.

Exactly.

So because you have not heard about it it is not true? Weird...or basically what ever you make yourself believe is true....

No you are wrong. Obama has put MORE troops in Afghanistan something Bush never did.

It has not been on the news...it is not on the internet...it has not been spoken about by any Congressional members on C-Span. "Weird"? If you have a link stating that a pipeline is under construction please provide it.

No...I am not wrong. The military had requested X number of troops and the President sent a lesser number of troops than was requested...they now are requesting an additional X number of troops and thus far the President has not honored that request...even though the request was made some time ago and is an on going request.

The "official" date for the launch is 2010... Here, http://www.energybulletin.net/node/4089 , a US ambassador said in 2005 that construction would begin in 2006.. who knows if they already started, I have no way to verify what MrCoolIce said in that regard but my main point was that indeed, the building of a pipeline is a major motive for being in Afghanistan, amongst other things... I didn't see your previous post acknowledging that a pipeline was in the plans..

The press would know if a pipeline was under construction...Congressmen would know if a pipeline is under construction...the soldiers would know if a pipeline is under construction and if the bulk of our forces were protecting said pipeline...but not a peep out of any of the sources I have listed. I conclude that there is not a pipeline under construction but is still in the planning stage and I think it will remain in the planning stage until there is no longer a conflict taking place (as a pipeline is an easy target)...and that may happen when hell freezes over.

ah the press would know and report on it!!! :1orglaugh In what dream world are you living? Another myth, alerted congressmen would blow the whistle!! :helpme

Dude, I'm not even saying it is true, but you, the population are not told everything that you should know. Wake up. I don't believe however that the bulk of the military is guarding pipelines (if they are any)...

Given that Mr. CoolIce has been to Iraq and Afghanistan and you haven't I am far more inclined to believe him than you. He says he has seen a pipeline being built with his own eyes. Why are you so ready to think he would lie? Why are you so ready to discount what he is saying? Ask yourself if it is because you don't want to believe it is the main reason US troops are in the country. Maybe you are so against the notion it is possible you don't want to believe him... So you came from a military background? While I applaud and whole-heartedly respect your service, it doesn't mean you get to know the truth sometimes...same goes for your friends who are serving. Maybe they are in other areas of the country where actual conflict is happening. We see plenty of news reports showing conflict, so ergo there must be some...right?

Just because something does not get published in the media doesn't mean it's not happening, (false flag ops...for example) it just means it isn't being reported in a truthful manner. You of all people must know that hundreds of newsworthy items are kept out of the media on a daily basis for strategic political reasons.

Do you think that all news worthy stories are always reported no matter what the political slant associated with the story?

Imagine if the mainstream press reported that the SINGLE BIGGEST REASON the US troops were sent to war, was for oil! Imagine the outrage. It stands to reason that the truth can't always be reported because the backlash would be overwhelming. When the truth is cloaked in another agenda you always need to be willing to step back and look at the bigger picture and establish the truth.

The game of Risk and the strategy associated with domination, is all about establishing presence and control of resources. It is abundantly clear that the US agenda is about establishing presence in the middle east where the largest natural oil reserves remain.
Once you have controlled the power in that region and established the puppet regimes who will control the activity of commercial enterprise in your favor (for massive personal gain of course), the flow of oil you control tips the gamut of power in US favor, so that it remains a force to be reckoned with. Lose control of the worlds resources and you fall behind other superpowers who are willing to grab them for themselves. Right now Russia and Denmark are doing exactly the same thing by showing their military strength in the Arctic where they are trying to fight for oil rich areas bordering Canada.

China has been doing an amazing job of controlling the purchase of US debt for years. Every day China lends the USA $1.9 Billion dollars. Every day the own another piece of the US and every taxpayer in the country. It is not the oil companies or other US owned multinational companies who bear that debt, it is the American people who are slaves to the debt. As a result do you ever hear in the mainstream press about how China (A COMMUNIST COUNTRY) is lending so much money to the US? Didn't you used to hate commies? What's the difference between China and Russia? How come US media doesn't spin that story....? After all commies lending you money to survive?

The bottom line is that western news (like communist or any other tin pot dictator nations) is subjective. not objective. You hear what they want you to hear because it is "for the greater good" (at least in their eyes).

As such you will never hear major news stories about building pipelines for oil. You will only hear about freedom fighting. That's the spin. That's the truth.

This is all some crazy stuff. Which makes it all the more believable, actually.

I have a history of posts where I have made it abundantly clear that the US...just as all countries do...take actions...or do not act...based upon what the leaders of the country determine to be in the best interests of the country...politically...geopolitically...economica lly and other wise...that is their duty. I by no means am naive in any way.

I conclude that there is not a pipeline currently under construction for the reasons I previously stated. It would be the height of stupidity for anyone to invest in the building of a major pipeline of such importance in a country where armed conflict is taking place. A pipeline is an easy target and simply could not be protected.