Vivid Admits Maybe Free is the way to be...
 

http://www.thewrap.com/article/porn-...n-around-10978

Straight up sniffing Rapid Decline Media's Nuts if you ask me, but whatever.

XXXJay

Did they watch the last episode of Caprica?

he is in for a rude awakening if he thinks vivid can make the jump to profit from free

nevermind.

I think if anyone could it would be them. They are the most mainstream.

i dont see any nut sniffing in that article. dont know who "Rapid Decline Media" is but im sure they werent the first to give away free porn.

Vivid, the leaders in sales tools and how we do business on the web.

Free could work if you could control how free it is.

If I could keep my content only on my free site, it could work just like TV or Hulu does and be a success. But my free content becomes everyone's free content within 10 minutes.

Being recklessly free gives me no advantage in the current climate.

If 50 sites were able to steal Hulu content without any repercussion and display it on their own site, Hulu would go under in about 48 hours.

Free can work, but you have to control how free it is. That's the key here. If you figure out a way to do that, you'll do OK with free.

i don't necc disagree but you can read between the lines of what he is saying-

he doesn't have the slightest idea wtf is going on and what to do about it.

for a publicly owned studio-based DVD company to go to a pure and free online distribution rev model led by a guy who i described above is a recipe for disaster.

you always seem upfront...how much you making off your tube?

Free is the way to be? It can't make money if it's free. Difficult question.

Make it free and sell ad space?

Well if most of adult goes free, whose going to buy adspace? I have a hard time imagining Crest advertising on Redtube

I think all of you should give your stuff away for free and make your money off of advertising. I'm sure AFF won't mind paying you peanuts for the ad space since dating and cams will be the ONLY game in town for your advertising dollars.

Meanwhile I'll keep CM's site a paysite and try to protect our content. Then when all the people looking for porn have gotten burnt out on your free stuff...I'll make money off of folks who are wondering what's in our members area.

Y'all have fun giving it all away. :)

Good point. But maybe 409.

Couldn't disagree more.

I see a lovely young lady with jizz hanging from her chin speaking into the camera, "When I get done swallowing 27 loads of jizz in a three minute period, nothing makes my teeth feel more refreshing than Crest"

"After getting fucked in the ass by 7 huge cocks, I always finish up with some Preparation H. Don't leave home without it."

Fuck me, I'm gonna make all my stuff free too now. Awesome!!!!

I remember the dot com boom. People had ideas, they thought they were brilliant..millions were invested. The somebody asked 1 question: "How does it make Money?" When enough people asked the entire boom crashed. History has the oddest way of repeating itself.

Thing is...I don't see anything brilliant in giving away their work for free. Exclusive content and live streaming shows are valuable. People will pay for it and always have.

I don't see any brilliance at all in this idea. First off...maybe if you had been the first to give shit away then you could have made a few million off of prepaid adspace sold to dating and cam sites.

But that was 2 years ago. And pretty much everybody in the whole fucking world already knows what AFF is and also have seen every cam site out there. And most of them are already members. So it's diminishing returns for dating and cam sites to continue to pay out big money for ads.

Especially when they KNOW that paysites can't and won't sell off of a tube. Trust me on that one, I have a few vids I put on Pornhub and they have about 750,000 views of the vids...and only 3103 clicks to the site and TWO sales.

So you're talking about completely devaluing your work by giving it away for free. And guess what? You're return will be the same: Nothing.

I hope all of you jump off the cliff like lemmings and leave me as the only one left. :pimp

free is the way ..

Yep!
People need fresh content. They will buy it.
Right now a lot of people are broke. I am sure you get emails from your members that are like" Hey i hate to leave, but I just can't afford it right now"
I honestly believe that when things get better there will be a lot less company's and more mom and pops making money with their websites.

The radio is free but even with it people bought albums. People still want hi def downloads. Large pictures. Well lit, not really shitty small videos on tubes but a lot of the regular buyers just cant afford it right now.

As a shooter I see who hires me and who is buying first hand. I see it picking up and nobody is asking for pornstars getting fucked on a couch in LA. Thats just the reality.

Also I wouldnt shoot for the under 30 market.

you are in a specific niche so your comments on this subject are noted but dont apply..

thats good for you and i am not bagging on you, but vanilla porn is limited so free is ok if you can monetize it..

the current free models are evolving and maybe someday a tube will give free content and advertise for the latest toyota...


just be happy you have a good product that the surfers are willing to pay for... :2 cents:






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Vivid is so overrated. Steven Hirsch doesn't have a clue as to how to improve his business. He's just hoping someone else figures out a successful way to do business so he can copy it.

Straightdownthetubes turned a modest profit 1st month.

Live streaming shows that are advertising supported is the future....oh wait, the future is now.

Free is so 2009. I'm going to start a tube where I pay people to watch the videos. :)

I'm glad I voted for keepin it. Fuck all the haters. You made a profit after a month. Most businesses plan to profit after 12 months.

It's a great biz model. I believe Dan can do it because It's a tough job. Fucking all those pornstars week in week out. How you hangin Dan? Talk a bout takin one for the team :thumbsup

Considering Vivid only really profits on their comps, it would be total disaster for them to give the rest of their garbage away for free.

I'm with Robbie on this issue. You guys go on and give it all away for free, let me know how it pans out for you. I'll watch the lemmings from the sideline on this new, exciting, profitable trend.

Desperation
* despair: a state in which all hope is lost or absent; "in the depths of despair"; "they were rescued from despair at the last minute"; "courage ...
* desperate recklessness; "it was a policy of desperation"


Good luck. :thumbsup

Free isnt really free when you are buying mega-bandwith on the cheap for your tube site and reselling what you dont use to others for a mark up...

Giving your content away for free doesn't solve the main problem, which is that people will steal it and put it on their own site. If that's the future the only thing that will matter will be traffic.

The worst part of the whole thing is we are currently training the average internet user that they don't have to pay to play, so even when they find something they would gladly pay for they feel they could find it elsewhere for free.

Who is going to buy traffic that is brainwashed to leave their wallet in their pocket!

Post of the day but needs to be repeated as I don't think a lot of people will get this first time around. :2 cents:

I just had to come back in this thread to LOL @ Vivid.

How much you making on ads so far?

Is the industry in danger of putting its head in the sand and hoping the good times come back?

It would have to be a lot to pay for all of those exclusive scenes. Scenes are not cheap to produce, even if you do them at a discount, you're spending a lot of money when shooting in bulk.

I just don't see the free method as a sustainable business model. Sooner or later, the few companies who do buy ads or allow their banners to fly on tube sites (dating and cams mostly) will be totally saturated (if they are not already), and fewer clicks to those banners will result in less profit, and so on and so forth.

STEALING content makes sense. You only have hosting to worry about as overhead. However, shooting content to give it away for free just doesn't make sense. Considering the cost of the models, the time you spend shooting it, editing, encoding and preparing for the site, it just doesn't make sense to give it away. Though, I wish them all the luck in the world with the site. Maybe it will work for a few early birds, but for everyone else, you will fail. There is no doubt about it.

I agree with Robbie, a personality site with good regular exclusive updates, coupled with email contact, live shows to members and other members only perks paying members receive from a site is key. Free is free and everyone likes free, but once that same content is free on all the sites and surfers are tired of seeing the same content everywhere they go they will look for exclusivity.

Content costs money to shoot and provided you have a rich daddy or some trust fund that will never run out you have to get paid somehow...there are only so many advertisers out there and they do not have an unlimited advertising budget, with every new free site out there it will also cut the cost a site can charge for advertising. The fact on advertising charges has already been proven, sites are not receiving the same dollar amount for an advert as they did two or three years ago. For us to advertise on a site now it is a fraction of what it costed a year ago.

Bandwidth cost has come down dramatically over the last couple of years, there has to be a bottom to cost cutting soon, how much cheaper can it go, the companies offering hosting also have to survive, they have overheads and staff, and we all love that 24 hr support - at the moment bandwidth is dirt cheap, any cheaper and it will not be worth while for the hosting companies to stay open....

There are so many conflicting stories on how much tube sites make, some say they make millions, others say nothing - Now unless someone actually supplies us with ground proof we can only speculate...but the profit on tube sites is directly linked to their advertisers and the bandwidth they pay...any cheaper bandwidth and they are the one's that will be laughing all the way to the bank, not the Free sites that are springing up a couple of years late in their eyes....picking up the scraps of ultra cheap advertising revenue....

If a free site pandemic started today, it will only be a matter of days before all that content was up on all the big tubes and once again webmasters will be crying at how the tubes fucked us.

The tubes already have the traffic, what is going to change, they not only will have your content on their site, but everyone else's too and in the mind of the surfer they would much prefer to go to a site that has it all under one roof than to have to go 10 or 15 different sites to check it out...

tv only makes money with a paywall. radio as well.

What is a paywall?

Not sure if I am correct here but Paywall is a ratio between free and paid, so if a company gives away a certain amount free to a person and it interests that person enough they will then pay for more.
In my opinion that is what tours, galleries etc are, and it works now for us all, so why just give it all away for free.

paywall: http://join.claudia-marie.com/signup...wOjU&step=2#ic

was just being sarcastic with that comment though.

So the statement that radio and tv make money "with a paywall" doesn't really mean much here? If what you are saying is the case that's kinda like saying "People breath with their lungs" :1orglaugh

Oh ok. I was kinda scratching my head there for a minute. :1orglaugh

You mean when the yayo wears off/runs out, talk about hard times.

LOL Robbie perfectly put, exactly like a paysite having a tour, without it the site would die.

I don't believe anything as interesting as providing a 15 minute jerk off has much ad value.

Why would I care though, one should stick to solving only what one can affect.