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Minte 08-31-2010 01:06 PM

If you voted for Obama in 2008
 
Would you vote for him today?

MaDalton 08-31-2010 01:10 PM

oh no, not you too :helpme

cambaby 08-31-2010 01:13 PM

He only got elected because he was black, I think Americans are over that phase tho.

Minte 08-31-2010 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17455896)
oh no, not you too :helpme

It's an unofficial poll!

However, I did not vote for him in 2008 and am not calling him disrespectful names.

marketsmart 08-31-2010 02:15 PM

i would not vote for him again today.. i will not vote for him for a second term..

i would vote for ron paul if he ran and even though i would be throwing my vote away, i would feel good about my choice..



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Amputate Your Head 08-31-2010 02:18 PM

given the exact same choices? yes.

obama could strip naked, paint a swastika on his chest and run screaming through the streets with his hair on fire and he'd still be a better choice than McCain/Palin. :2 cents:

cambaby 08-31-2010 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 17456079)
i would vote for ron paul if he ran and even though i would be throwing my vote away, i would feel good about my choice..

Ron Paul is NOT a wasted vote, you might be surprised. :2 cents:

marketsmart 08-31-2010 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17456093)
Ron Paul is NOT a wasted vote, you might be surprised. :2 cents:

i'd love to see him have a real shot... :2 cents:




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CE_Rashaan 08-31-2010 02:37 PM

Obama is doing a great job...some American's need to stop being lazy and stop asking for Obama to "give me a job". Didnt George Bush Jr. tell these idiots that they are going to need to acquire new skills for "Jobs for the 21st Century" to help America get out of this ditch.

mountainmiester 08-31-2010 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 17456079)
i would vote for ron paul if he ran and even though i would be throwing my vote away, i would feel good about my choice...

I hear you there. Don't know though and more on principle than anything else. He is one of the few in many years that I have confidence in.

sperbonzo 08-31-2010 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17455896)
oh no, not you too :helpme

What is it about Obama that you like so much buddy? Frankly I think that it's ironic that Merkel in Germany is doing the exact opposite of Obama and the US Congress, and while the US economic growth and unemployment remain terrible, the German economy and unemployment have gone back to pre-crisis levels. It's looking like Obama was wrong, and the lower spending crowd was right.... (although the US government will never admit it).

What is his appeal for you?


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DaddyHalbucks 08-31-2010 03:07 PM

Didn't vote for him then, and sure as shit wouldn't vote for him in the future.

DaddyHalbucks 08-31-2010 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CE_Rashaan (Post 17456138)
Obama is doing a great job...some American's need to stop being lazy and stop asking for Obama to "give me a job". Didnt George Bush Jr. tell these idiots that they are going to need to acquire new skills for "Jobs for the 21st Century" to help America get out of this ditch.

And didn't Big Daddy Obama tell them exactly the opposite and bought them a car company and health insurance --with taxpayer money-- to prove it?

MaDalton 08-31-2010 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 17456169)
What is it about Obama that you like so much buddy? Frankly I think that it's ironic that Merkel in Germany is doing the exact opposite of Obama and the US Congress, and while the US economic growth and unemployment remain terrible, the German economy and unemployment have gone back to pre-crisis levels. It's looking like Obama was wrong, and the lower spending crowd was right.... (although the US government will never admit it).

What is his appeal for you?


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am i a bit disappointed with him? maybe

but for me and most people outside the US it couldn't get any worse than Bush, so Obama is a relief.

and it's actually very sad to watch how it is not about politics and compromising in the US anymore but only about making his life as difficult as possible.

and does anyone really think that McCain/Palin would have done any better? Considering at what point the new president had to take over?

Hell, even the slightest thought of Palin being in charge in case McCain dropping dead makes me want to crawl under my bed.

TurboAngel 08-31-2010 03:21 PM

I wouldn't vote for him again I only voted for him the 1st time as he was the lesser of 2 evils. All the Bible thumpers here say he's the Antichrist

DaddyHalbucks 08-31-2010 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17456227)
am i a bit disappointed with him? maybe

but for me and most people outside the US it couldn't get any worse than Bush, so Obama is a relief.

and it's actually very sad to watch how it is not about politics and compromising in the US anymore but only about making his life as difficult as possible.

and does anyone really think that McCain/Palin would have done any better? Considering at what point the new president had to take over?

Hell, even the slightest thought of Palin being in charge in case McCain dropping dead makes me want to crawl under my bed.

Foreigners have little credibility in their analysis of our leaders.

Many foreigners want the US to be weak, so I don't put alot of stock in what they say.

eZe 08-31-2010 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CE_Rashaan (Post 17456138)
Obama is doing a great job...some American's need to stop being lazy and stop asking for Obama to "give me a job". Didnt George Bush Jr. tell these idiots that they are going to need to acquire new skills for "Jobs for the 21st Century" to help America get out of this ditch.

I think there is only so much the president can do. Americans have gotten fat and lazy. We consume more than any other country on the planet on a per capita basis. We have more luxuries than at any other time in history. It all comes at a cost though. We now have an economy based consumption and services. What is required is a basic shift in behavior and I don't think Americans will do it.

Watch as the rich poor gap increases and we become more and more like a third world country. Work hard and maybe you can become one the rich ;) :2 cents:

MaDalton 08-31-2010 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 17456241)
Foreigners have little credibility in their analysis of our leaders.

Many foreigners want the US to be weak, so I don't put alot of stock in what they say.

stop invading other countries and foreigners might worry less about your leaders

Minte 08-31-2010 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17456227)
am i a bit disappointed with him? maybe

but for me and most people outside the US it couldn't get any worse than Bush, so Obama is a relief.

and it's actually very sad to watch how it is not about politics and compromising in the US anymore but only about making his life as difficult as possible.

and does anyone really think that McCain/Palin would have done any better? Considering at what point the new president had to take over?

Hell, even the slightest thought of Palin being in charge in case McCain dropping dead makes me want to crawl under my bed.

I think McCain would've focussed harder on what's ailing the country rather than pushing through a party agenda like Obama has. Because McCain is older only means he's more experienced in life. I saw him speak on television a few nights ago and he looked fine. I thought McCain made an error by pandering to the H. Clinton voters with Palin.

Palin... That would be scary to a degree. Could she do a better job than Obama,in some respects I think so. She doesn't come from the Harvard elitist society.On the other hand,she has yet to make an impression on me. I think there are many other more capable females that could be president.

Minte 08-31-2010 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17456256)
stop invading other countries and foreigners might worry less about your leaders

That might happen when foreign countries quit asking the US for assistance.

DWB 08-31-2010 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 17456079)
i would vote for ron paul if he ran and even though i would be throwing my vote away, i would feel good about my choice.

:2 cents:

ShellyCrash 08-31-2010 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17456256)
stop invading other countries and foreigners might worry less about your leaders

:1orglaugh :( QFT.

TheDoc 08-31-2010 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 17456169)
What is it about Obama that you like so much buddy? Frankly I think that it's ironic that Merkel in Germany is doing the exact opposite of Obama and the US Congress, and while the US economic growth and unemployment remain terrible, the German economy and unemployment have gone back to pre-crisis levels. It's looking like Obama was wrong, and the lower spending crowd was right.... (although the US government will never admit it).

What is his appeal for you?


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I've never heard Obama say more spending was the answer to recovery. I have heard him say we need to reduce the deficit, cut the budget more, reduce war spending and many other things related to reducing spending. He has straight up said we need to spend less.

MaDalton 08-31-2010 03:51 PM

i actually i started to worry less who's president cause the example Obama shows that it doesn't matter at all who is in charge. America is in the hands of banks, insurance companies and other corporations. and lobbyists. theoretically you could also have a chimpanzee run for presidency - which brings us back to Palin

TampaToker 08-31-2010 03:53 PM

Yes......

cambaby 08-31-2010 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17456313)
theoretically you could also have a chimpanzee run for presidency

We already have a monkey in office buddy. :thumbsup

cambaby 08-31-2010 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17456290)
I've never heard Obama say more spending was the answer to recovery. I have heard him say we need to reduce the deficit, cut the budget more, reduce war spending and many other things related to reducing spending. He has straight up said we need to spend less.

And as we have come to find out from Mr Oblahblah what he says and what does is two different things. :pimp

Minte 08-31-2010 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17456290)
I've never heard Obama say more spending was the answer to recovery. I have heard him say we need to reduce the deficit, cut the budget more, reduce war spending and many other things related to reducing spending. He has straight up said we need to spend less.

There is the issue..he says,but doesn't do.

eZe 08-31-2010 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17456313)
i actually i started to worry less who's president cause the example Obama shows that it doesn't matter at all who is in charge. America is in the hands of banks, insurance companies and other corporations. and lobbyists. theoretically you could also have a chimpanzee run for presidency - which brings us back to Palin

I used to agree with this before Bush got us into two fucking wars at the same time.

TheDoc 08-31-2010 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17456330)
And as we have come to find out from Mr Oblahblah what he says and what does is two different things. :pimp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 17456342)
There is the issue..he says,but doesn't do.

Actually, he has reduced the budget in some areas and moved the money to be better spent. He has put a plan in place to end the war, and stated this has to be done to get control of the deficit. He wants to reduce a tax credit that causes more deficit every day it's going. Currently before congress is bills to give small business a tax break, benefits for investing/hiring and other things - all things to help grow the eco so things can be paid off.

This is a very tiny list... I'm not sure what you guys read or how you get your news, but I would try listing to him and just following up with what he does, research it yourself.

baddog 08-31-2010 04:56 PM

Interesting results. Too bad we can't be sure that only the target voted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17456093)
Ron Paul is NOT a wasted vote, you might be surprised. :2 cents:

How do you figure?

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17456227)
but for me and most people outside the US it couldn't get any worse than Bush, so Obama is a relief.

Stopped reading there. You obviously have no clue.

TheDoc 08-31-2010 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17456448)
Stopped reading there. You obviously have no clue.

He's correct though... it makes no difference what you think, he's talking about what the rest of the world thinks and without question, they like Obama more than Bush.

For good reason, he's like 10,000 times better, hasn't created the worst economic drop in history, didn't take more wealth away from Americans than in history and didn't start a war based completely on lies.

Obama could quit or sell us to Canada and shit wouldn't get as bad as it did under Bush.

Ethersync 08-31-2010 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 17456079)
i would vote for ron paul if he ran and even though i would be throwing my vote away, i would feel good about my choice..

He has my vote.

Minte 08-31-2010 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17456439)
Actually, he has reduced the budget in some areas and moved the money to be better spent. He has put a plan in place to end the war, and stated this has to be done to get control of the deficit. He wants to reduce a tax credit that causes more deficit every day it's going. Currently before congress is bills to give small business a tax break, benefits for investing/hiring and other things - all things to help grow the eco so things can be paid off.

This is a very tiny list... I'm not sure what you guys read or how you get your news, but I would try listing to him and just following up with what he does, research it yourself.

If I were interested in SPIN I would watch MSNBC. Don't assume you are the only person here who is informed. Or are you simply enlightened.

I am not going to bother posting the sad fiscal facts of this administration. It's been posted here many times.
I also won't bother posting the democratic driven agenda this administration is shoving down America's collective throats.
I could post several current articles where many of those democrats who voted these bills through are now working overtime distancing themselves from Pelosi and Obama.
But again,you are clearly enlightened. Look up those facts and keep your eye on Novemeber and we shall see how well this administration is doing in the eyes of the majority.

baddog 08-31-2010 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17456456)
He's correct though... it makes no difference what you think, he's talking about what the rest of the world thinks and without question, they like Obama more than Bush.

I seem to recall reading that Obama's popularity rating overseas has dropped significantly. That is beside the point though. I have to wonder, who votes for a President based on what other countries think about him.

Oh yeah, for the record, Bush was not an option, so that discussion was really out of left field.

ThunderBalls 08-31-2010 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17456326)
We already have a monkey in office buddy. :thumbsup


I predict you will be reincarnated into a poor black baby in communist China. :1orglaugh

TheDoc 08-31-2010 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 17456474)
If I were interested in SPIN I would watch MSNBC. Don't assume you are the only person here who is informed. Or are you simply enlightened.

I am not going to bother posting the sad fiscal facts of this administration. It's been posted here many times.
I also won't bother posting the democratic driven agenda this administration is shoving down America's collective throats.
I could post several current articles where many of those democrats who voted these bills through are now working overtime distancing themselves from Pelosi and Obama.
But again,you are clearly enlightened. Look up those facts and keep your eye on Novemeber and we shall see how well this administration is doing in the eyes of the majority.

Spin is on FOX, I have no idea what's on MSNBC, I don't get it.

People taking sides for voting times doesn't mean much, people naturally divide.

I would love to discus fiscal facts, nothing more than I love showing how Obama corrected the budget and now you're seeing what the real cost of the wars and run away gov has been, before he was in power and then the steps he has already taken to remove problems and has made budget reductions, which is the first steps to taking the right path to spending less. Don't hate him for showing us the truth...

I'm not enlightened, I just know most of the arguments coming from the other side are so lame and pathetic that it takes me minutes to look up what actually happened and disprove most things. Obama isn't going to run it exactly how any of us want... but what he has actually done, has helped more than it has hurt.

TheDoc 08-31-2010 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17456478)
I seem to recall reading that Obama's popularity rating overseas has dropped significantly. That is beside the point though. I have to wonder, who votes for a President based on what other countries think about him.

Oh yeah, for the record, Bush was not an option, so that discussion was really out of left field.

I'm sure it has slipped, he has continued wars most of them never agreed with. But that slip is still greatly higher than Bush reached.

It's not about who votes based on this, it's about doing business with other Countries. Things go much smoother if everyone likes each other.

You quoted MaDalton "....it couldn't get any worse than Bush, so Obama is a relief." I didn't really think it was that out of left field.

cambaby 08-31-2010 05:49 PM

Obamas statement about war as a reason for deficits is a fucking joke.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...-stimulus-act/

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17456516)
I love showing how Obama corrected the budget

Holy fuck you are funny. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17456516)
I'm not enlightened

Obviously. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17456516)
but what he has actually done, has helped more than it has hurt.

Are you fucking kidding me? He has ballooned the deficit to way more than Bush could ever dream!
http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/...amabudget1.jpg

You are fucking brainwashed dude.

cambaby 08-31-2010 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17456527)
I'm sure it has slipped, he has continued wars most of them never agreed with. But that slip is still greatly higher than Bush reached.

Actually his approval rating is exactly in Bush territory.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/...st_31_2010.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17456527)
It's not about who votes based on this, it's about doing business with other Countries. Things go much smoother if everyone likes each other.

Oh come the fuck on you cant be that stupid to believe that shit? Its about MONEY, the Chinese will NEVER like us but they sure love doing business with us.


Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17456527)
You quoted MaDalton "....it couldn't get any worse than Bush, so Obama is a relief." I didn't really think it was that out of left field.

It may have gotten better for other countries but it HAS gotten worse for AMERICANS, of course you dont give a fuck about us.

TheDoc 08-31-2010 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17456538)
Obamas statement about war as a reason for deficits is a fucking joke.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...-stimulus-act/


Holy fuck you are funny. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Obviously. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Are you fucking kidding me? He has ballooned the deficit to way more than Bush could ever dream!
http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/...amabudget1.jpg

You are fucking brainwashed dude.

Wow? Are we even trying tonight?

You just proved that he corrected the budget to show the true numbers, hello sky rocket.. it's not like you can show where Obama spent almost 2 trillion dollars in 09.

TheDoc 08-31-2010 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17456547)
Actually his approval rating is exactly in Bush territory.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/...st_31_2010.jpg

Yes, that's his approval index in America... we're talking about International compared to Bush. Either way, Bush hit the lowest of any President and the largest drop of any President.


Quote:

Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17456547)
Oh come the fuck on you cant be that stupid to believe that shit? Its about MONEY, the Chinese will NEVER like us but they sure love doing business with us.

Umm... in relation to what other Countries think about us, having a President that isn't a complete idiot helps us do more business. If that's more money or whatever - it's more business.


Quote:

Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17456547)
It may have gotten better for other countries but it HAS gotten worse for AMERICANS, of course you dont give a fuck about us.

Yeah, it's worse than Americans losing, what was it.. trillions of dollars in investments? Wow, you have a way different perspective of gotten worse than most people.

What the stats show and can easily be seen is a drop that has stopped, level off and improved in many sectors. What you expected is for everything to turn around, when that wasn't the goal being worked on.

cambaby 08-31-2010 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17456569)
Wow? Are we even trying tonight? You just proved that he corrected the budget to show the true numbers, hello sky rocket.. it's not like you can show where Obama spent almost 2 trillion dollars in 09.

LOL wtf that doesnt show any fucking "correction" it shows the WH estimate. Regardless are you denying that the deficit jumped 400 billion to nearly 2 trillion all during Obamas leadership? :1orglaugh

cambaby 08-31-2010 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17456581)
What the stats show and can easily be seen is a drop that has stopped, level off and improved in many sectors. What you expected is for everything to turn around, when that wasn't the goal being worked on.

A drop that has STOPPED? No its PAUSED due to GOVERNMENT SPENDING you idiot, and now its starting to fall again. Also yes the goal was to turn it around thats why the WH called it the "summer of recovery".

You are a flat out liar.

Minte 08-31-2010 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17456569)
Wow? Are we even trying tonight?

You just proved that he corrected the budget to show the true numbers, hello sky rocket.. it's not like you can show where Obama spent almost 2 trillion dollars in 09.

This is called SPIN..and it's not convincing.

The other side of the coin is. That during Obama's first full year in office the deficit increased dramatically. Budgets are created prior to the upcoming fiscal year. That's business 101. If you are suggesting that the GAO lied about the budget numbers then you should say that.

tony286 08-31-2010 06:26 PM

Whatever obama did wouldnt have been acceptable. If he didnt spend and the economy was more in a toilet you would blame him for that too. He is damned if he does damned if he doesnt. Thats why I wish he would do more because they are going to hate him anyway.
Also if you think msnbc is spin you are kidding yourself. Progressives are pissed off at this president and they talk about it alot on msnbc. Obama is not a liberal at all and I would guess he is not fond of them considering what robert gibbs has said.

BlackCrayon 08-31-2010 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 17456241)
Foreigners have little credibility in their analysis of our leaders.

Many foreigners want the US to be weak, so I don't put alot of stock in what they say.

what a dumb view. i very much doubt mdalton wants the US to be weak, nor do I. I love the US. I bet if the majority of foreigners agreed with you would have a much different opinion.

Jman 08-31-2010 06:36 PM

Interesting Poll ;-)

cambaby 08-31-2010 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony299 (Post 17456607)
Whatever obama did wouldnt have been acceptable. If he didnt spend and the economy was more in a toilet you would blame him for that too. He is damned if he does damned if he doesnt. Thats why I wish he would do more because they are going to hate him anyway.

He hasnt done anything except make it worse by spending the stimulus money on government spending programs like cash for clunkers, the housing credit for first time buyers, government economic recovery projects(like highways, and signs) and passing a health bill that will plunge us into more government spending as years go forward.

There isnt a SINGLE thing Obama has done that has helped this country economically, after the highways are fixed those jobs are gone, the cash for clunkers program money went more to foreign car companies than American car companies, the housing credit for first time buyers has not put a dent in the housing bubble, his mortgage rescue program is a complete failure with over 80% of people applying for it dropping out, and his health care bill is nothing more than social security part two, and we know the fucking problems we have with that bloated piece of shit.

The American middle class is systematically being destroyed. Give me concrete proof about ONE single fucking thing this President has done that has helped the American economy.

cambaby 08-31-2010 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean-Francois (Post 17456619)
Interesting Poll ;-)

Yeah obviously a bunch of drug addicted morally corrupt filthy pornographers voted yes.

I am sure that is a positive direction for the United States of America.

Obama leading you people. :1orglaugh


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