Do not do business with Daizzzy / SBD - GoFuckYourself.com

TMM_John · 05-19-2010, 01:07 PM

Daizzzy informed us that in order to have NATS programs listed on his website we were required to purchase an ad from him. We agreed to do so for $150 per month and paid him for the first month. A bad business practice on his part in my opinion, but for $150 we figured whatever.

After the first month was up he sent us another invoice and ICQ'd us to indicate that since we couldn't pay him via epassporte (the first payment was sent via check & cashed) we would be required to pay him for several months in advance. I was out of town on a personal vacation when he made this new demand. When I returned a couple of days later (and only a couple of days after the invoice was sent) I found that he had pulled the advertisement from his site.

I informed him that if he did not want the ad there (as he had pulled it) that was fine, to discontinue the ad. We had paid for a month and he had the ad there for a month.

So he ICQ's me that he was "ridiculously treated" and that "let's see how it'll result" and he decides to post here how NATS is not a trust worthy solution for the industy.

Its funny how someone thinks you're the greatest thing in the world for $150, but when he's not being paid has nothing but bad things to say about you.

This guy is surrounded by drama & accusations and what he did here amounts to nothing short of extortion in my mind.

I would HIGHLY recommend not having any business dealings with him.

mgtarheels · 05-19-2010, 01:09 PM

Not sure how you didn't see this coming when he would only do business with you after you bought an ad.

Black Ops · 05-19-2010, 01:10 PM

Daizzzy is a shit stain. Good to see him outed. He was already caught giving out members passwords a while ago and everyone let it slide.

Barefootsies · 05-19-2010, 01:11 PM

That's not good.

Now you are going to go on his industry's shit list that he has on sites and programs.

MrDeiz · 05-19-2010, 01:11 PM

wow, you are so cheap john

i'll be leaving now. i'll tell my part of the story in 10h

TMM_John · 05-19-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

That's not good.

Now you are going to go on his industry's shit list that he has on sites and programs.

I'm sure we're doomed

TMM_John · 05-19-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by daizzzy

wow, you are so cheap john

i'll be leaving now. i'll tell my part of the story in 10h

LOL. I love how his reply is that I am "cheap" because we are no longer paying him. Which is apparently how he forms his opinions.

TDF · 05-19-2010, 01:14 PM

sad how the industry is now

Barefootsies · 05-19-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TMM_John

I'm sure we're doomed

Agent 488 · 05-19-2010, 01:16 PM

lowlife kiev street hustler.

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-19-2010, 01:17 PM

Sweet. Cat fight.

Black Ops · 05-19-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

lowlife kiev street hustler.

Brujah · 05-19-2010, 01:27 PM

John, if you pay me $150 per month I will say good things about you too.

Marcus Aurelius · 05-19-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TMM_John

A bad business practice on his part in my opinion

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Originally Posted by TMM_John

This guy is surrounded by drama & accusations

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Originally Posted by TMM_John

I would HIGHLY recommend not having any business dealings with him.

Funny, because many people think same things about you.

angelsofporn · 05-19-2010, 01:31 PM

Well, he tried to extort us about a year ago. Only after we caught him and his buddy in the states trying to scam us in a big way. The guy is a complete dirt bag.

Sly · 05-19-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by angelsofporn

Well, he tried to extort us about a year ago. Only after we caught him and his buddy in the states trying to scam us in a big way. The guy is a complete dirt bag.

I suppose that explains why he complains about you at every opportunity.

Roald · 05-19-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TDF

sad how the industry is now

Don't you love it hahaha

angelsofporn · 05-19-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I suppose that explains why he complains about you at every opportunity.

Thats how he made a name for himself. I also know certain competitors of ours slid him a little cash on the side to make certain statements as well...but thats how it goes.

TMM_John · 05-19-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MDCQ

Funny, because many people think same things about you.

Yet we have a ridiculously large market share. Must not be that many people.

Robbie · 05-19-2010, 01:38 PM

Gotta admit I'm kinda confused. I don't think much of signbucksdaily and I don't really know anybody who has been in this business for a long time who even cares about it. I suppose it's a nice place for a new-ish webmaster to find programs to promote...I'm old school though and promote SITES that make my dick hard. I sign up to whatever program promotes that kind of site. These "review" sites of affiliate programs are kinda weird to me.

But to each his own... the thing that confused me was this: Why would TMM give a shit what signbucksdaily promotes or doesn't promote? The whole site just looks like a way to get webmasters to sign up under him for referral money. Or am I missing something?

And if brother pulls all NATS programs...isn't he cutting his own income? The whole thing is just weird to me. Just an observation. Not attacking daizzy. It's just that that whole business model seems kinda bottom of the food chain to me.

LoveSandra · 05-19-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

lowlife kiev street hustler.

and gay as well

TeenCat · 05-19-2010, 01:39 PM

i am happy i am not doing business with anyone ... everyone have another view about what business means, and in actual adult industry where everyone will make anything to anyone just to make money it means only problems ...

daizzzy daizzzy why the hell you needed some 150 bucks from big guys ...

GrouchyAdmin · 05-19-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

bottom of the food chain

PR_Sebas · 05-19-2010, 01:41 PM

I could be wrong but isn't this the same guy who was asking programs for passwords to "review" their sites then giving them away to surfers on his forum?

Robbie · 05-19-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

No, that's a bottom feeder (catfish). I meant bottom of the food chain, as in webmaster referral money. Yeah, some people got lucky in the past and snagged one of the few whales that existed. In this day of pornhub and bit torrent sites with all the traffic...I'd say that is a trick that is EXTREMELY difficult to pull off today.

GrouchyAdmin · 05-19-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'd say that is a trick that is EXTREMELY difficult to pull off today.

Catfish are bottomfeeders; I just saw the parallel of your statement and wanted to post a catfish.

Agent 488 · 05-19-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

No, that's a bottom feeder (catfish). I meant bottom of the food chain, as in webmaster referral money. Yeah, some people got lucky in the past and snagged one of the few whales that existed. In this day of pornhub and bit torrent sites with all the traffic...I'd say that is a trick that is EXTREMELY difficult to pull off today.

there are some sites like whopaidme.com that provide a good service with no bs that i am happy to send referral income to.

with daizzy i just edit out his affiliate code.

WarChild · 05-19-2010, 01:45 PM

Once again I called it.

ottopottomouse · 05-19-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Not sure how you didn't see this coming when he would only do business with you after you bought an ad.

+1

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Originally Posted by Brujah

John, if you pay me $150 per month I will say good things about you too.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

...The whole site just looks like a way to get webmasters to sign up under him for referral money. Or am I missing something?

And if brother pulls all NATS programs...isn't he cutting his own income? The whole thing is just weird to me...

I thought it was a giant referral% scraper too. Only advantage to something like that is easy finding of similar stuff.

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Originally Posted by LoveSandra

and gay as well

What's gay got to do with anything?

Robbie · 05-19-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

and wanted to post a catfish.

You know...sometimes you just have to post a catfish. I don't know why...

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-19-2010, 01:47 PM

Whats going on here?

TMM_John · 05-19-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

But to each his own... the thing that confused me was this: Why would TMM give a shit what signbucksdaily promotes or doesn't promote?

The thought was that if for $150/mo it brings a NATS client a new affiliate here or there then why not.

sortie · 05-19-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TMM_John

I'm sure we're doomed

Talking shit about NATS has proven to be the most fruitless endeavor ever.

brassmonkey · 05-19-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb

Whats going on here?

thats sexy

CurrentlySober · 05-19-2010, 02:34 PM

Bottom Feeder = 'The Human Centipede'

Thankyou... I'll get my coat !!!

fuzebox · 05-19-2010, 02:40 PM

Daizzzy has always been a piece of shit. I don't think any webmaster with traffic takes him seriously to begin with.

bdld · 05-19-2010, 02:48 PM

didn't he complain once about how webmasters were visiting his site a lot but he wasn't getting referral signups?

Caligari · 05-19-2010, 02:50 PM

Yes, this is the asshole who goes around bad mouthing all these programs and in reality HE's pulling this kind of low life shit.

And how many people believe his bullshit black list?? its a bunch of crap.

Jman · 05-19-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

That's not good.

Now you are going to go on his industry's shit list that he has on sites and programs.

Wow being on that shitlist... that will surely kill TMM Eh!!!

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-19-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Caligari

Yes, this is the asshole who goes around bad mouthing all these programs and in reality HE's pulling this kind of low life shit.

And how many people believe his bullshit black list?? its a bunch of crap.

He is not right all the time, hell maybe he's not right 50% of the time, but at least he has balls to speak up. most people here will bitch about tubes all day and then try to score $50 post-a-whore contest in brazzers topics.

Nicky · 05-19-2010, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Daizzzy has always been a piece of shit. I don't think any webmaster with traffic takes him seriously to begin with.

mona · 05-19-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

Catfish are bottomfeeders; I just saw the parallel of your statement and wanted to post a catfish.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You know...sometimes you just have to post a catfish. I don't know why...

just a punk · 05-19-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TMM_John

Daizzzy informed us that in order to have NATS programs listed on his website we were required to purchase an ad from him. We agreed to do so for $150 per month and paid him for the first month. A bad business practice on his part in my opinion, but for $150 we figured whatever.

I'm sorry to say that, but paying the money just to be listed in one of 1000's of sponsor catalogs (not even for a banner spot or something like this) is above of dumbness. Nothing personal John, but you got what you have paid for.

uno · 05-19-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You know...sometimes you just have to post a catfish. I don't know why...

IMHO, it's a carp, not a catfish.

Denny · 05-19-2010, 03:29 PM

He spams like crazy

Robbie · 05-19-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

IMHO, it's a carp, not a catfish.

Hard to tell...one thing is for sure...I wouldn't pay one dollar to advertise on an affiliate program "review site"

Again, no offense daizzzy. I just don't see that the site has much reason for existence other than to make a few pennies trying to get webmaster referral. Nothing wrong with that, but I don't see where the real estate on your site has value to others. Sorry.

TMM_John · 05-19-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

I'm sorry to say that, but paying the money just to be listed in one of 1000's of sponsor catalogs (not even for a banner spot or something like this) is above of dumbness. Nothing personal John, but you got what you have paid for.

The issue wasn't the value (tho it was shit). The issue is his motives/business practices/etc.

Just because there are 1000s of sponsor directories exist doesn't mean that they are all not worth having an ad on. I agree with you tho that in this case, we got exactly what we paid for. There are certainly some other ones we have considered having ads on in the past and are still considering. The issue in this case wasn't so much the site type as who the owner is.

I'm sure you'd say your sponsor catalog is worth advertising on even tho it's just one of 1000's.

Also, the cost included a banner spot, it wasn't only for inclusion.

Had he been an honest person and had the traffic & activity he always claims to have it certainly wouldn't have been "above of dumbness".

TMM_John · 05-19-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny

He spams like crazy

Yes, all he does all day is spam his site, and one of the major components of it is a webmaster forum. I don't see how that flies here, let alone all of his baseless accusations.

PXN · 05-19-2010, 04:12 PM

I LOL'd. I can't believe people would steal something like 150$. Time must be really bad.

babymaker · 05-19-2010, 04:28 PM

What is a sign bucks anyway was he starting a program I dont understand the name maybe I am just slow lol (go ahead quote it lol)

05-19-2010, 01:07 PM	#1
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,659	Do not do business with Daizzzy / SBD Daizzzy informed us that in order to have NATS programs listed on his website we were required to purchase an ad from him. We agreed to do so for $150 per month and paid him for the first month. A bad business practice on his part in my opinion, but for $150 we figured whatever. After the first month was up he sent us another invoice and ICQ'd us to indicate that since we couldn't pay him via epassporte (the first payment was sent via check & cashed) we would be required to pay him for several months in advance. I was out of town on a personal vacation when he made this new demand. When I returned a couple of days later (and only a couple of days after the invoice was sent) I found that he had pulled the advertisement from his site. I informed him that if he did not want the ad there (as he had pulled it) that was fine, to discontinue the ad. We had paid for a month and he had the ad there for a month. So he ICQ's me that he was "ridiculously treated" and that "let's see how it'll result" and he decides to post here how NATS is not a trust worthy solution for the industy. Its funny how someone thinks you're the greatest thing in the world for $150, but when he's not being paid has nothing but bad things to say about you. This guy is surrounded by drama & accusations and what he did here amounts to nothing short of extortion in my mind. I would HIGHLY recommend not having any business dealings with him. __________________ Skype: JohnA1078 Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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Black Ops Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 292	Daizzzy is a shit stain. Good to see him outed. He was already caught giving out members passwords a while ago and everyone let it slide. __________________ If you can read this sig, you're already dead.

05-19-2010, 01:11 PM	#4
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05-19-2010, 01:09 PM	#2
mgtarheels Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Daytona Beach, FL Posts: 1,317	Not sure how you didn't see this coming when he would only do business with you after you bought an ad.

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Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	lowlife kiev street hustler.

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Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	John, if you pay me $150 per month I will say good things about you too. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

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angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	Well, he tried to extort us about a year ago. Only after we caught him and his buddy in the states trying to scam us in a big way. The guy is a complete dirt bag.

05-19-2010, 01:38 PM	#20
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Gotta admit I'm kinda confused. I don't think much of signbucksdaily and I don't really know anybody who has been in this business for a long time who even cares about it. I suppose it's a nice place for a new-ish webmaster to find programs to promote...I'm old school though and promote SITES that make my dick hard. I sign up to whatever program promotes that kind of site. These "review" sites of affiliate programs are kinda weird to me. But to each his own... the thing that confused me was this: Why would TMM give a shit what signbucksdaily promotes or doesn't promote? The whole site just looks like a way to get webmasters to sign up under him for referral money. Or am I missing something? And if brother pulls all NATS programs...isn't he cutting his own income? The whole thing is just weird to me. Just an observation. Not attacking daizzy. It's just that that whole business model seems kinda bottom of the food chain to me. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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TeenCat Too lazy to set a koala Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CZ/EU forever! Posts: 16,139	i am happy i am not doing business with anyone ... everyone have another view about what business means, and in actual adult industry where everyone will make anything to anyone just to make money it means only problems ... daizzzy daizzzy why the hell you needed some 150 bucks from big guys ... __________________ 6bot / Coming again very soon! Svit Zlin Radio 24/7!

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PR_Sebas Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,825	I could be wrong but isn't this the same guy who was asking programs for passwords to "review" their sites then giving them away to surfers on his forum? __________________

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Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mexifornia Posts: 970	Whats going on here?

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fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,033	Daizzzy has always been a piece of shit. I don't think any webmaster with traffic takes him seriously to begin with.

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bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	didn't he complain once about how webmasters were visiting his site a lot but he wasn't getting referral signups?

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Caligari Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: At The Mountains Of Madness Posts: 5,414	Yes, this is the asshole who goes around bad mouthing all these programs and in reality HE's pulling this kind of low life shit. And how many people believe his bullshit black list?? its a bunch of crap.

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Denny Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 17,243	He spams like crazy __________________

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PXN Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,548	I LOL'd. I can't believe people would steal something like 150$. Time must be really bad.

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