thmvp20

I joined the adult industry at least 5 years too late and perhaps made a mistake by opening with a TGP site about 10 years too late (Sluthaven-dot-com = my first adult site built)

I was aware that it wasn't going to be easy and that if I was going to have a mildly successful TGP site, I would need to pull about 10-15k visitors a day... I was aware that the big tits niche was saturated... I was aware that without spending any money towards it (with the exception of scripts I needed to run the site) my layout was going to be mediocre at best, but I just feel like there is something I could be doing as far as SEO to at least get some traffic here and there from search phrases but I'm not getting it and I can't spend cash on feeder traffic forever (currently using Traffic Holder which is probably not ideal but it's the only site I know of)

I am just beginning to read into SEO and have come to understand success on Google is popularity through hard links (ideally from ranked sites), but how? Last night I added my site to free link dumps as an experiment but I'm a little paranoid about these being spam sites and ultimately doing more bad for me than good... but if I want quality hard links I would have to pay and surely not all of you have emptied out their wallets just to get traffic. Is it a matter of optimizing my site a certain way? I have descriptions... I have a link to a page that dumps a text description link to every single gallery on the site... or do I have to wait for my site to age a bit and open up a network of 20+ niche TGP's to have any chance in hell (by that time TGP's should be 100% obsolete)

One strategy I'm using is opening up a few blogs with minimum 10 posts on each and then through them promoting Slut Haven and my other projects

Any tips here would be awesome and they would help me with other brand new projects in my queue,

Because I understand Tube sites are running the show now, my second major project is going to be Mobipornotube-dot-com which the one I have a little bit of hope for even though there is hardly anything there yet... I have also registered a fetish niche blog site that I'm going to start working on soon

Should I just take my losses on Sluthaven-dot-com and focus on developing Mobipornotube-dot-come and my fetish niche site instead?

It's almost embarrassing to post here because I've been reading threads posted by web masters that run sites I grew up going to... but we all start somewhere?

Thanks everyone

cooldude7

i didnt read the entire post,ill read it later.

but ur site is ok.,

just create more and more sites and dont stop.,

if ur one site makes 10 bucks /month ,,, then u know how many u gotta start more.,
do trafic trading, some SEO., hardlink trades.
good luck.

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Welcome to the board!

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If you keep working hard building sites and building traffic, you'll get there in the end. Have you got another job or are you a full time webmaster? For me it was only when I went full time that things really started to happen

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Adraco

Allright

1. A few backlinks are important! Get a paid godaddy hosting and one from hostgator, be sure to get their cheap ones. Then add five domains to each, install a wordpress blog on each domain and post at least 10 posts with a minimum of 5 full sentences on each post, link all these five domains together and also link from each domain to your top site. For each pack of five blogs, use similar or the same anchor text, like "big tits". That should get you noted by the search engines. Also, if possible, deeplink from your blog post directly to a part of your topsite. Like if you have a blog post of Hanna Hilton, then link from that post to a part of your top site like /hannahilton or /blondes or /bigtits or what ever categories you now may have.

2. Buy a few hardlinks from people. The price is hard to tell, because it depends on so many factors, but just read other's posts and see what they will sell and don't go for the absolutely cheapest stuff. Aim to buy maybe 5-10 links your first year.

3. Don't waste your money buying traffic to just throw it at the site. Save your cash and use it for the two above mentioned hosting accounts and to buy a few links.

4. Get yourself a bucket of patience, it will take some time for your sites to be noted and grow. Count on your first six months as a time to get established. During that time you shouldn't focus on reviewing your visitor stats or your earnings stats, just leave it be and focus on development instead.

5. Buy an account at MBposter.com and submit blog posts for your different blogs and maybe top site for a month or two. It will get you backlinks and you also get to see other people's sites, design, what ads they run and such. Kind of like an internship with a big company.

6. Make a sitemap of your top site and submit to Google. A sitemap can be created here: http://www.xml-sitemaps.com. If you don't have a webmaster.google.com account for your top site, now is a good time to activate it. Add your site there and submit your sitemap. While at it, open up webmaster accounts at Bing and Yahoo also.

7. Consider hosting some or all of the galleries yourself. This is much harder and will definitely increase your server bill, but will also give better click through and time on site which will improve your points with Google. Also, this is something few competitiors have the energy and money to do, they are lazy, just like everyone else. So if you go the extra mile, you might very well come out ahead. Have a designer make up say 10 or 15 gallery templates for you and then put the content in there and then add them to your TGP rotation.

That should at least get you started and well on your way. It will definitely keep you busy for the next month or so. Give it 6 months of time and energy, stop wasting money by throwing it away on quick traffic without any real idea of what to do with it. that's the best set of advice that I can give for right now.

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thmvp20

This is going to be a side thing for me, I do have a full time job and my spare time is limited... not expecting much, but still want to eventually produce something I can be proud of like everyone else

ADRACO:

THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Top notch outside-the-box strategic advice and the best anyone has given me so far, I really appreciate that especially because it makes sense.

It's gonna be a process but I didn't expect overnight success to begin with and I learned very quickly this is a tough industry to be in now. I was looking for a structure that is logical and here it is. something I didn't have before or blindly doing trial and error methods

Adraco

You are welcome.

If you need hosting to throw up your blogs, let me give you my affiliate links and the hosting companies you sign up for will give me a few dollars, which in turn will buy me a dinner, for bringing you in and it doesn't cost you anything extra.

I saw you were already hosting your main site with Hostgator. Maybe I could suggest that you then choose another host for one of your two supportblog farms. The idea is to have them on separate networks and different IP numbers. So get one hosting account, build five blogs there and then move on to the next host.

As for hosting on your extra blogs, get a 12 months plan, not only because it will give you a discount, but mainly so you don't have to see money going out every month. Even if it's not much, as long as you don't earn anything back, it just gives the brain the wrong ideas. Better to pay once and be done with it for a year. If one cannot afford 12 months of the cheapest shared hosting, you should seriously consider what you're doing.

I'm not saying just 5 exact blogs on each is the key, but more wanted to give you a reasonable number to get started. It's within reasonable reach and would do your site much good. The idea is to have something looking somewhat like the link wheel described here: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=960623

I'm not saying that is a perfect link wheel or even that you should do as described above, but just to get you an idea of how your top site needs a bunch of "supporting sites" which co-operates and then also link on to your top site.

As for the blogs themselves. Decide one keyword or keywords for each blog farm, like "big tits" make sure that keyword is one you want to target for your main, top site. All blogs in that group should then have that keyword or possibly very similar variations of it, like "big tit", "big titted girl". Each blog post should then have that or those keywords and each blog should also have its own unique keyword like "heavy knockers"on the same theme as your main keyword but a much different variation of it. It will do you a little bit of good SEO wise if you even can get that blog unique keyword into the domain name.

You should be able to start and complete one blog per day, but since you mentioned this being a side gig, make your goal to be able to setup a blog and create five posts per day a reasonable goal. Create the posts and then schedule them to be published with a few days in between. No need to throw up a blog one day and then dunk up 5 or 10 posts all at once if you're not going to keep that pace. Publish your first post today, then make it 3-5 days in between each post, that will look more natural. Maybe even start one blog, create five posts, then tomorrow create your next blog and then come back once five blogs are up and do a second round of 5 posts to be scheduled on all of them.

Now, post a few videos, embedded, or whatever, make them as blog posts. Then you can submit your video at http://www.fucking1.com, read the submission rules, you need to first have a link back to them, and your video needs to be at least 2 minutes long. They have massive amounts of traffic and this will get your blogs noticed, if even for a little bit. Be sure to read and follow the submission rules in the bottom right corner. Each submission should easily get you at least 1000 visitors.

You will only be allowed to submit once per week or so, so in the meantime, go back to your blogs and make a "guest post" from each of the other blogs in that blog farm and post it on the fifth blog. So each blog gets four new unique posts, which links to a special post on one of the other blogs. So you're also deeplinking within your own blog farms. Schedule them and be sure to do the same from the other blogs in that group and select different posts to accentuate each time.

Then move on to create your next blog farm.

When creating posts, be sure to get content from a sponsor and also include your affiliate link with it. Follow ALL sponsor rules, like not editing out watermarks and such. Also, be sure to setup a special Campaign inside the affiliate area, one campaign for each blog. This will let you see from where joins are coming and you will also get an idea of which blogs maybe deserve a little extra attention and which ones you could just let sit there.

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Check your icq, I sent the link there

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thmvp20

Will do. And once again thank you for the valuable information, I could have got the generic expected response but you took it a few steps further and provided a complete structure that can help other newcomers (the link wheel concept is freakin awesome). Hey I need the host so the least I can do in return is get it through your referral.

Time to start working smart...

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welcome aboard! welcome to GFY!

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Welcome to GFY!

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Adraco

This asshat right here for example, he does nothign but try to spam his affiliate links all over the place. Check his old posts and you will see that's basically what this user does. Not contributing at all, just spamming.

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As a newbie here, thanks for the info. Its good to see all the info and the wise people handing it out!!

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Adraco~ Great post and one of the "nicest" I've seen on GFY...Just think if everyone here was that helpful.....Jus' saying

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docsfreakyflixxx

ive got like 6 sites an have been doing this for about 2 years on the side..but i think i just learned more from reading " Adraco " posts then ive learned since i started...thanks for those posts even tho they weren't directed at me...

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Markul

Welcome to GFY, get rid of the pop-ups imo. Surfers HATE those.

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thmvp20

What's up Markul, before I respond, let me take a moment to say I still love the name... hope you don't mind if I pay homage to Markula from ATHF below.....

(ohh shucks... it won't let me embed Markula's pic here... nevermind)

Ok... now... I totally understand popups are hated and TGP sites are expected not to use them.

I added my popunder a few days ago as a way to monetize since that site gets more traffic than my others and that pop under is pay per impression...

I rationalized that it might be okay to use a popunder in this case because its not a pop-up that loads when sluthaven~d0t~com but it pops up IF the surfer clicks somewhere in the 'no man's land' areas of the page. So it doesn't necessarily load for every visitor and it has a little benefit to me as someone who will probably not see $$ through signups for a long, long time.

Personally, I think its less annoying than an interstitial ad would have been.

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Good to have you here!

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thmvp20

CamTraffic: Thanks man... love the animation in your sig

Adraco: Once again, thanks (x100) for the help and everything else. Your free advice and resources is the best I have ever personally received from anyone on any given forum and I have benefited from this tremendously during these early stages that would otherwise be associated with feelings of hopelessness (its tough out here for a newb among vets in 2011).

I absolutely hate to sound like a kiss ass but I have to give credit and props where it is due and there lots of snooty people around that treat every question like a request for the keys to their front door. Thanks dude

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@Adraco thank you for the free advice it will definitely help me too to have a good start as dault webmaster

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like you said, we all have to start somewhere and the site doesn't look bad to me, just keep learning stuff and trying stuff it'll grow and get better...

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Yea, this one deserves a bump.

Very informative.

But it made me think of one thing:

- I like doing blogs. I made quite a few when I started, but my host's server screwed them up big time and no one could figure out why. (won't mention name, cause the hosts have been very nice to me during and after...)
So after throwing tons of work out of the window I took a small break and after that put toghether some tubes and galleries. Basically to have sites to learn how to build traffic towards.
Now I'm making blogs again and they have in weeks got more visitors than some tubes made in months.

Ok, sorry for rambling; here is what I was wondering about.

When trading links I notice that many blogs have old content.
Is that what they do? make 10 posts and let the blog sit there to build traffic? Does that even work?

On tubeblog and wankers heaven I have prewritten tons of posts that will go live every day/every other day for quite some time.
I either rewrite something the affiliates have been writing or I write some completely new shit. What is important to me is to have blogs that have "unique" content (haha, in adult? yea sure...) and that something is happening on the blog very often.

Those who write posts like <h1 Hot babe /h1> <h3 check ass /h3> and then post a clip or a pic, well, I guess that is smart, because that's what pornsurfers want, I guess.
My blogs on the other hand might be liked a tiny bit better by google, so I get people that searches onto my sites. They probably don't read my shit and jumps right to the clip, but hey, the text brought them there, isn't that a valid theory?

Is this a good attitude or am I completely throwing time out the window?

I've nailed two days in september and two days in october that is completely dedicated to expand the amount of prewritten posts on my blogs. The other days I'm working on building links, seo-stuff and putting together sites to throw online now and then.

Wow, this became a long post, sorry 'bout that.

Mrten - Why I write blogs? Well, I just like to write, even shit like this :p

PS: Dear Affiliates - There aren't any banners on those two blogs, had to plug off the ad-plugin I was using. Promise, there will be banners there soon

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Haha thanks. This dude?

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Thanks for the tips ADRACO!

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Wow! Thank you so much for the well thought out and clearly explained technique. You really took a lot of time to contribute to us who learn something day by day, which is everyone on this board..you are appreciated!

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hows your site/s going?

thmvp20

Wow. I am surprised and even a little flattered to see my post from May 2011 resurface in Feb 2012.

I guess it would be pretty cool to add a little update now. First of all, this IS the thread that got me started in the right direction. I think I wrote the original post in my second month, and before that I had been doing everything wrong and wasting time and money in the process. And then I had a lucky break because I wrote this post expecting nothing in return, but Adraco was generous enough to offer up some excellent advice. And the best thing I took from that advice went something along the lines of "Get yourself a bucket of patience and don't expect anything at all during the first six months".

Because I know for a fact if I had not read that bit of advice, I would have given up long ago, maybe after the fourth month when my income was still $0 and I was putting in a lot of work.

But I kept this "6 month rule" in the back of my mind and built two networks that were based on my interests and I had a "December to remember" and by this time I had officially attained my original goal which was to make enough earnings to pay off my student loans without it coming out of income from my unrelated full-time job.

Between September and December, each month was better than the last, but then in January 2012 the pattern finally died down and I was back to researching and trying out different strategies and ideas, which is where I am now.

So while I didn't get rich overnight or anything like that, I can still say with full confidence that there is money here... I made money doing this, enough to attain my first goal and realize there is always potential for more. It starts with some good advice, good resources (like Gfy), and with good organization (especially if you're flying solo) and structured approach.

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Adraco

Glad to hear about your progress! What a difference since you were just getting started back then. Good luck and as always, feel free to hit me up!

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UpnCummer

Great stuff in these posts, thanks a lot guys, specially Adraco. There are so many things that experienced webmasters just take for granted and lots of us noobs just don't even imagine. Most are jealous of their knowledge and won't share, but it's great that there are some (very few) people who are out here to share their knowledge and just be nice and share, there's money and opportunity for everyone and people still doesn't understand that if you're doing well and share and those with whom you shared do well too, it'll just bring you more in return!

But, ah, well, just my noob hippie ramblings, lol.

Nah, seriously, thankyou!

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Yea, this has allot of great info. I should really start to blog about my experience in the adult industry. It would provide a great source for a second site.

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Thanks for the AWESOME tips.

JC01

Great tips Adraco, thanks for sharing

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AliceInBondageLand

What a great thread. Thanks for sharing your experience folks.

I have a question about blogging - my website is VERY word heavy, since I am aiming for the "hot for smart girls" market as well as trying to stand out in a novel way.

If I reblog these posts, will that reduce my standing with google because of "uniqueness"?

I have heard that having the same text multiple places causes Google to devalue it.

Adraco

Glad you guys are still enjoying those tips I wrote about a year ago. But most of them are still valid today and they most certainly work. So feel free to continue hitting me up with questions and concerns and I'll try to help out and look into stuff for you.

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Adraco

By popular request and people contacting me on ICQ to ask where this thread went, I'm bumping it up a bit to let more people see and find it.

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