Trump wants to use Naval tent cities for illegal immigrants

[TampaToker]

Trump wants to use Naval tent cities for illegal immigrants. I personally think that's a smart move considering by law ICE is required to maintain a mandatory bed quota daily of 30,913 beds full. By moving them on to a naval base takes out the private prison corporations who are reaping the benefits of the revolving door problem of illegal immigration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/u...eparation.html

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Trump wants to use Naval tent cities for illegal immigrants. I personally think that's a smart move considering by law ICE is required to maintain a mandatory bed quota daily of 30,913 beds full. By moving them on to a naval base takes out the private prison corporations who are reaping the benefits of the revolving door problem of illegal immigration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/u...eparation.html

Private Prisons need to be removed all together, but we shouldn't be detaining these people regardless.

I get what Trump is "attempting". He's trying to go full Nazi as a scare tactic to stop them from coming but it wont stop them. It will just push these people into the hands of traffickers..

They need to go after the companies that hire illegals. That is the only 100% sure way to stop illegal immigrants. People literally cross mine fields and risk death to get in and out of North Korea.. Not that Mexico is a NK, but if the people feel they have no options but coming to the US for jobs then they will risk going to jail to come..

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by crockett

Private Prisons need to be removed all together, but we shouldn't be detaining these people regardless.

I get what Trump is "attempting". He's trying to go full Nazi as a scare tactic to stop them from coming but it wont stop them. It will just push these people into the hands of traffickers..

They need to go after the companies that hire illegals. That is the only 100% sure way to stop illegal immigrants. People literally cross mine fields and risk death to get in and out of North Korea.. Not that Mexico is a NK, but if the people feel they have no options but coming to the US for jobs then they will risk going to jail to come..

Holy shit hell just froze over i agree with you 100%

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Holy shit hell just froze over i agree with you 100%

Well, if Trump would do that, I'd be in full support of it. However his current actions do nothing but cause more problems and is just catering to his base, not really solving issues.

Trump just does stuff to make people mad, not to actually solve issues.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by crockett

Well, if Trump would do that, I'd be in full support of it. However his current actions do nothing but cause more problems and is just catering to his base, not really solving issues.

Trump just does stuff to make people mad, not to actually solve issues.

Problem is and Obama said it himself is you actually gotta prove the people hiring the illegals that they knew they were illegal. Hell you can go to any street corner in California or and major city and get a fake social security card and id. Hell a congressman or senator cant remember which said his own family uses fake documents.

Then you have the fines which is a complete joke. So how would you go about legally fixing this issue. I am all ears i want this solved as much as you.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Trump wants to use Naval tent cities for illegal immigrants. I personally think that's a smart move considering by law ICE is required to maintain a mandatory bed quota daily of 30,913 beds full. By moving them on to a naval base takes out the private prison corporations who are reaping the benefits of the revolving door problem of illegal immigration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/u...eparation.html

I agree about the private prisons.

Tent cities is Trump's judge Apero dog whistle. We don't need tent cities in the desert the middle of summer, we didn't need them before we don't need them now it's a publicity stunt for Trump to show that he's making assylum seekers suffer to make his base happy.

[NALEM]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Problem is and Obama said it himself is you actually gotta prove the people hiring the illegals that they knew they were illegal. Hell you can go to any street corner in California or and major city and get a fake social security card and id. Hell a congressman or senator cant remember which said his own family uses fake documents.

Then you have the fines which is a complete joke. So how would you go about legally fixing this issue. I am all ears i want this solved as much as you.

Let me introduce you all to the Social Security Number Verification Service (it's FREE) and the US Chamber of Commerce on behalf of its member employers have been fighting government to NOT use it.

[RyuLion]

It was only a matter of time..they are not welcomed..

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Problem is and Obama said it himself is you actually gotta prove the people hiring the illegals that they knew they were illegal. Hell you can go to any street corner in California or and major city and get a fake social security card and id. Hell a congressman or senator cant remember which said his own family uses fake documents.

Then you have the fines which is a complete joke. So how would you go about legally fixing this issue. I am all ears i want this solved as much as you.

When illegals are apprehended Trump stops there, he doesn't find out who their employers are and if they're working under the table with no SS #

Trump purposely allows businesses to hire illegals because business owners are his base.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I agree about the private prisons.

Tent cities is Trump's judge Apero dog whistle. We don't need tent cities in the desert the middle of summer, we didn't need them before we don't need them now it's a publicity stunt for Trump to show that he's making assylum seekers suffer to make his base happy.

The mandatory daily bed fill quota by law by ICE is doing nothing to stop the issue and if anything its making it more lucrative for these private prisons company's like CCA and GEO Group make a killing in profits. Lets not forget the fact senators on both sides are receiving money from these company's. This is the number one issue why immigration has not been fixed. We are creating a business for them by not fixing our laws and our own congress is culprits to this.

[Rochard]

Ten cities.... So just like internment camps we had for the Japanese in the 1940s? Except instead of giving them "huts" they will... live in tents?

It was 104 here yesterday in California.... You want to put six year old kids in tents in 104 degree weather?

What happens when it gets below freezing? Again, kids....

This fucking insane. What the fuck is wrong with my country?

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by crockett

Well, if Trump would do that, I'd be in full support of it. However his current actions do nothing but cause more problems and is just catering to his base, not really solving issues.

Trump just does stuff to make people mad, not to actually solve issues.

Lets look at Asplundh a tree company. "U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement began auditing Asplundh in 2009 and found that it employed unauthorized workers." They were hit with a $95 million dollar penalty and arrest were made and fined in 2017. It took 8 fringing years for 1 case to get done.

[$5 submissions]

Good point on private prisons, John. There's a Prison Industrial Complex problem that needs to be solved.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by NALEM

Let me introduce you all to the Social Security Number Verification Service (it's FREE) and the US Chamber of Commerce on behalf of its member employers have been fighting government to NOT use it.

US Chamber of Commerce is a lobbyist group who pretty much just gives campaign funds to Republicans. It's funny how you can show actual examples of this kind of thing yet people still believe the BS about illegals..

If we wanted to stop illegals from working in this country, we could stop probably 80-90% of them. Yet, policies that are pushed by Republicans are not really aimed at stopping illegals from getting jobs but rather to incite their base.

It's been the exact same political football with zero solution for 30 years yet the solution is actually rather easy..

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Ten cities.... So just like internment camps we had for the Japanese in the 1940s? Except instead of giving them "huts" they will... live in tents?

It was 104 here yesterday in California.... You want to put six year old kids in tents in 104 degree weather?

What happens when it gets below freezing? Again, kids....

This fucking insane. What the fuck is wrong with my country?

You got plenty of indoor space to house the kids that's not a issue.

On a side note you are worried about the heat and snow? These people who travel the journey with there kids to get here deal with extreme heat, drug cartels, women and children get raped and robbed. They take rafts and ride the "The Train of Death" but you are worried about 104 degree heat.

Right now there is 44,136 being held in detention centers at around a cost of $230 a day or ruffly $10.5 million usd of tax payers money daily. Hey i get it you are cool with that i am not.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

The mandatory daily bed fill quota by law by ICE is doing nothing to stop the issue and if anything its making it more lucrative for these private prisons company's like CCA and GEO Group make a killing in profits. Lets not forget the fact senators on both sides are receiving money from these company's. This is the number one issue why immigration has not been fixed. We are creating a business for them by not fixing our laws and our own congress is culprits to this.

We didn't need tent cities before and we don't need them now. Trump created this drama to make his base happy.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Trump wants to use Naval tent cities for illegal immigrants. I personally think that's a smart move considering by law ICE is required to maintain a mandatory bed quota daily of 30,913 beds full. By moving them on to a naval base takes out the private prison corporations who are reaping the benefits of the revolving door problem of illegal immigration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/u...eparation.html

how is transferring them and responsibility to the navy better than using private prisons? I doubt if it would be cheaper. the Navy isn't experts on jailing illegals either. Why not release all the weed smokers from prisons?

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Good point on private prisons, John. There's a Prison Industrial Complex problem that needs to be solved.

Gene after looking into this i was disgusted what i found. Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) then Chairman of the Appropriations Subcommittee on Homeland Security, inserted language in Homeland Security Appropriations Act of 2010 which made it a daily quota by law. 60 Democrats sent a letter to Obama to to get rid of this quota. https://teddeutch.house.gov/uploaded...ion_letter.pdf

What did the admin do they lowered the quota down to 30,913 detention compete and utter waste of tax payers money....

[brassmonkey]

its going to have be their home countries. why do we have to pay for their shit? we don't! sanctions!!!!

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

how is transferring them and responsibility to the navy better than using private prisons? I doubt if it would be cheaper. the Navy isn't experts on jailing illegals either. Why not release all the weed smokers from prisons?

This quota funds private prison corporations at taxpayer expense for there profit. It also provides political cover for congress to point fingers at each other and pass the buck. The system right now only benefits congress, there donors and the corporations. ICE itself has only room to hold around 4000 detainees. We need to do away with the minimum daily quota. Till i see that gone immigration issue is not going any were. Too much money to be made.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

its going to have be their home countries. why do we have to pay for their shit? we don't! sanctions!!!!

Here is another issue there county has to agree to take them back. If not wtf do we do with them?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Gene after looking into this i was disgusted what i found. Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) then Chairman of the Appropriations Subcommittee on Homeland Security, inserted language in Homeland Security Appropriations Act of 2010 which made it a daily quota by law. 60 Democrats sent a letter to Obama to to get rid of this quota. https://teddeutch.house.gov/uploaded...ion_letter.pdf

What did the admin do they lowered the quota down to 30,913 detention compete and utter waste of tax payers money....

Blame Obama for what Trump is doing.

Trump supporters always revert to blaming Obama or Clinton when Trump does something that backfires on him & fucks things up. Why is that?

[TampaToker]

Best thing i can think to do is if the first time they come across scan them use facial recognition get them in the system and deport them back. If they return do a manadatoy
10 year sentence on them. Once they are released if they come back 20 year sentence.

Raise fines per illegal employee find working for your company to $500k a person and mandatory jail time of 5 years for hiring illegals.

One they have applied for asylum and get denied they cant apply for asylum ever again which i believe is all ready law. Let them know if you come back you getting 10 years.

[GFED]

I see so many homeless people every day. These illegals are being treated much better than our own citizens.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

This quota funds private prison corporations at taxpayer expense for there profit. It also provides political cover for congress to point fingers at each other and pass the buck. The system right now only benefits congress, there donors and the corporations. ICE itself has only room to hold around 4000 detainees. We need to do away with the minimum daily quota. Till i see that gone immigration issue is not going any were. Too much money to be made.

but spending money on tent cities is at tax payer expense as well. + prisons are setup to provide somewhat humane living conditions run by people who know how to house people. The navy knows how to pilot ships and launch airplanes. I'm also concerned about putting illegals in tents on military bases, where the weapons are.

I'm not seeing the benefits.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Blame Obama for what Trump is doing.

Trump supporters always revert to blaming Obama or Clinton when Trump does something that backfires on him & fucks things up. Why is that?

Dude seriously this has been going on way before Trump and Obama. Yeah fuck Trump for enforcing our laws. Also spare me the bullshit that Obama didn't separate family's Jeh Johnson head of DHS under Obama admitted yesterday that Obama admin separated family's.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by GFED

I see so many homeless people every day. These illegals are being treated much better than our own citizens.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by RedFred

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Ten cities.... So just like internment camps we had for the Japanese in the 1940s? Except instead of giving them "huts" they will... live in tents?

It was 104 here yesterday in California.... You want to put six year old kids in tents in 104 degree weather?

What happens when it gets below freezing? Again, kids....

This fucking insane. What the fuck is wrong with my country?

What is your solution? Just let people cross the border?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by GFED

I see so many homeless people every day. These illegals are being treated much better than our own citizens.

People will scoff at your suggestion, but that is because they are either blind or just in denial.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Trump wants to use Naval tent cities for illegal immigrants. I personally think that's a smart move considering by law ICE is required to maintain a mandatory bed quota daily of 30,913 beds full. By moving them on to a naval base takes out the private prison corporations who are reaping the benefits of the revolving door problem of illegal immigration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/u...eparation.html

Who wants to bet we'll find out this whole thing was started for private detention facility contracts and kickbacks?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

You got plenty of indoor space to house the kids that's not a issue.

On a side note you are worried about the heat and snow? These people who travel the journey with there kids to get here deal with extreme heat, drug cartels, women and children get raped and robbed. They take rafts and ride the "The Train of Death" but you are worried about 104 degree heat.

Right now there is 44,136 being held in detention centers at around a cost of $230 a day or ruffly $10.5 million usd of tax payers money daily. Hey i get it you are cool with that i am not.

Trump wants to use TENT cities. Not "indoor space".

The Trump administration is being ripped for separating kids from their parents. Can you imagine what would happen when we see photos of you kids passing out in the heat, or freezing to death in the snow?

What the fuck is wrong with the Trump administration? What the fuck is wrong with our country? Suddenly we don't have to give people due process? Suddenly we can keep kids in tents in the desert in 105 or 110 weather?

[brassmonkey]

deport! there are honest ones that dont take those should be given citizenship

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Trump wants to use TENT cities. Not "indoor space".

The Trump administration is being ripped for separating kids from their parents. Can you imagine what would happen when we see photos of you kids passing out in the heat, or freezing to death in the snow?

What the fuck is wrong with the Trump administration? What the fuck is wrong with our country? Suddenly we don't have to give people due process? Suddenly we can keep kids in tents in the desert in 105 or 110 weather?

Why don't you answer my question? I know you didn't miss it.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by baddog

Why don't you answer my question? I know you didn't miss it.

Calm down old man. Some of us have jobs.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by baddog

What is your solution? Just let people cross the border?

I am very dead set against illegal immigrants. I want them arrested and deported as quickly as possible. I don't want to keep them in the country any longer than we have to.

It's very simple. Arrest and detain them. No jail, but instead some kind of a detention system. Kids stay with their parents. If they wish to plead guilty to violating our borders, they can quickly be deported. If they want a hearing, we'll give them a hearing, then sentence them to time served and $10, and then send them on their way. Either way, we deport them as quickly as possible.

What they are doing right now isn't working. I read some place today there are hundreds of thousands of immigration hearings backed up, and only 350 immigration judges - Do the math.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Best thing i can think to do is if the first time they come across scan them use facial recognition get them in the system and deport them back. If they return do a manadatoy
10 year sentence on them. Once they are released if they come back 20 year sentence.

Raise fines per illegal employee find working for your company to $500k a person and mandatory jail time of 5 years for hiring illegals.

One they have applied for asylum and get denied they cant apply for asylum ever again which i believe is all ready law. Let them know if you come back you getting 10 years.

First time send them back as quickly as possible. They also lose any opportunity to ever become a US Citizen - ever.

If they come back, five years. Then deport them.

If they come back again, ten years.

Every time after that we double the amount of time in jail.

[DBS.US]

Originally Posted by Rochard

First time send them back as quickly as possible. They also lose any opportunity to ever become a US Citizen - ever.

If they come back, five years. Then deport them.

If they come back again, ten years.

Every time after that we double the amount of time in jail.

Simple,

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rochard

First time send them back as quickly as possible. They also lose any opportunity to ever become a US Citizen - ever.

If they come back, five years. Then deport them.

If they come back again, ten years.

Every time after that we double the amount of time in jail.

who pays for it? that where my sanctions come in. i mapped out a plan for this.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

First time send them back as quickly as possible. They also lose any opportunity to ever become a US Citizen - ever.

If they come back, five years. Then deport them.

If they come back again, ten years.

Every time after that we double the amount of time in jail.

Perfect. And just do away with any trial. It's pretty cut and try. Either you have permission to be here or you don't.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by baddog

What is your solution? Just let people cross the border?

Create tent cities and send the CEO's and upper management of companies who are routinely caught hiring illegals there.. Im betting by the time we reached a few 100 inmates ( wearing pink worker suits of course) the problem would be fixed...

No need to spend millions housing tens of thousands of illegals, catch and release them back across the boarder. Locking up a few 100 employers like Trump who has been caught repeatedly hiring illegals would do the trick..

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Calm down old man. Some of us have jobs.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

off topic hit me on the the email

[NALEM]

Originally Posted by crockett

US Chamber of Commerce is a lobbyist group who pretty much just gives campaign funds to Republicans. It's funny how you can show actual examples of this kind of thing yet people still believe the BS about illegals..

If we wanted to stop illegals from working in this country, we could stop probably 80-90% of them. Yet, policies that are pushed by Republicans are not really aimed at stopping illegals from getting jobs but rather to incite their base.

It's been the exact same political football with zero solution for 30 years yet the solution is actually rather easy..

Originally Posted by crockett

Create tent cities and send the CEO's and upper management of companies who are routinely caught hiring illegals there.. Im betting by the time we reached a few 100 inmates ( wearing pink worker suits of course) the problem would be fixed...

No need to spend millions housing tens of thousands of illegals, catch and release them back across the boarder. Locking up a few 100 employers like Trump who has been caught repeatedly hiring illegals would do the trick..

This

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Rochard

It's very simple. Arrest and detain them.

That's what the tents are for.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Best thing i can think to do is if the first time they come across scan them use facial recognition get them in the system and deport them back. If they return do a manadatoy
10 year sentence on them. Once they are released if they come back 20 year sentence.

Raise fines per illegal employee find working for your company to $500k a person and mandatory jail time of 5 years for hiring illegals.

One they have applied for asylum and get denied they cant apply for asylum ever again which i believe is all ready law. Let them know if you come back you getting 10 years.

Who is paying to build the prisons required to hold all these returnees?

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Who wants to bet we'll find out this whole thing was started for private detention facility contracts and kickbacks?

You brought up a good point and i can tell you right now you are corrects 100% i will post more later gotta dig into something.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by baddog

That's what the tents are for.

We can't detain people in tent cities. If I understand correctly, there are currently 700,000 immigration cases waiting for hearings. These people might be in tents for months, or perhaps years. The first kid who dies from heat stroke or the first kid who gets frostbite will be front page news.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

You brought up a good point and i can tell you right now you are corrects 100% i will post more later gotta dig into something.

For-profit Prisons: Money to Congress

Dems: $1,010,876 $1,010,876
Repubs: $3,003,003 $3,003,003
Other: $84,240 $84,240
Total to All Candidates: $4,098,119

Candidate Amount
Cuellar, Henry (D-TX) $105,740
Culberson, John (R-TX) $95,900
Corker, Bob (R-TN) $93,258
Crist, Charlie (3-FL) $86,450
Rubio, Marco (R-FL) $83,050
Alexander, Lamar (R-TN) $79,050
Rogers, Hal (R-KY) $74,900
Hatch, Orrin G (R-UT) $65,281
Carter, John (R-TX) $65,100
McCain, John (R-AZ) $58,746
Blackburn, Marsha (R-TN) $50,700
Bennett, Robert F (R-UT) $46,000
Buchanan, Vernon (R-FL) $41,800
Cornyn, John (R-TX) $41,700
Boehner, John (R-OH) $32,750
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) $32,600
Richardson, Bill (D) $31,100
Fincher, Steve (R-TN) $29,674
Obama, Barack (D) $28,444
Gowdy, Trey (R-SC) $28,150


By Chico Harlan August 14, 2016
Inside the administration’s $1 billion deal to detain Central American asylum seekers
DILLEY, Tex. — As Central Americans surged across the U.S. border two years ago, the Obama administration skipped the standard public bidding process and agreed to a deal that offered generous terms to Corrections Corporation of America, the nation’s largest prison company, to build a massive detention facility for women and children seeking asylum.

The four-year, $1 billion contract — details of which have not been previously disclosed — has been a boon for CCA, which, in an unusual arrangement, gets the money regardless of how many people are detained at the facility. Critics say the government’s policy has been expensive but ineffective. Arrivals of Central American families at the border have continued unabated while court rulings have forced the administration to step back from its original approach to the border surge." https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.22fdba0a479d

[GFED]

Originally Posted by Rochard

We can't detain people in tent cities. If I understand correctly, there are currently 700,000 immigration cases waiting for hearings. These people might be in tents for months, or perhaps years. The first kid who dies from heat stroke or the first kid who gets frostbite will be front page news.

There are 2.5 million homeless kids in America and you want to pretend to care about illegals?