I can't take it anymore... I creak already, that's just warming up.

But I love to box, I practice 3-4 days a week for 15min to an hour or so each time.. I can do the 30/30/30 non-stop for an hour, no breaks.

They have a killer boxing club here in town, from am to pro - I just haven't had the time to check out and give it a try, but I need the sparing practice really bad. Need someone to smack me everytime I put an elbow forward.

This may be the only time I disagree with you on an MMA topic. Gable is definitely not the best who never fought in MMA. That would be Aleksandr Karelin, no contest.
http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/7/77/Karelin.gif

He won gold medals at the 1988, 1992, and 1996 Olympic Games. He went undefeated in international competition spanning from 1987 to 2000. Karelin went the last six years of his unbeaten streak without giving up a single point! If MMA had a real following when he was at his peak, nobody would have beaten him for YEARS. :2 cents:

Two different styles my brother. But you are right. Karelin is the best wrestler ever.

Good lord... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Karelin

This thread is retarded :1orglaugh

TheDoc, aikido is not the best way for women to defend themselves.

Anthony, TheDoc saying aikido is good self defense was not an invite for you to type 8000 words of jiu jitsu advertising.

I dunno dood... I trained with many gracie's and I like to think I have great back skills...

ive never not gotten a choke once I get someones back for say the last year...

even with 16's on


The proper name is Mata Leon which translates to Lion Kill they don't call it that cause it's an easy choke to get out of....

im fairly certian that if I was to take your back you can do all the judo and slamming you want to and ill still get ya to sleep.. it's just nature of the beast.... there is no way you can slam me when im on your back that's going to really hurt me or get me to release my "seatbelt" (other jits guys know the seatbelt) and once you reach up to start fighting my hands well thast why I got my seatbelt on you... no matter which hand you go to im choking you with other hand....

and btw the smaller a person is the easier they lock chokes in on your properly.... small wrist = good chokes as robert drysdale ... he has really shitty jits but he has very small wrists and lands chokes all day long motherfucker can land flying armbars all day long buy lost worlds to a fucking lapel choke... white belt 101 shit.....

If you quoted me, you wouldn't have misquoted me.. I hate being misquoted, it pisses me off, but I'll give you some slack.

I said "I recommend all women take it, it's a great self defense style that requires very little power to move a person"

I never said it was the best... I think teaching a women to use a gun is much better self defense, if I had to take my guess, that's probably the best.

As a trained fighter going against another fighter, put in that position, they probably couldn't get out of it - but again, that's not what we're talking about.

The topic twisted when I said my wife can't hold me in a chock hold or arm bar, and all of you went nuts.. and you said "once in the position a kid should be able to hold it no matter how strong the attacker is" - which is bullshit when my two boys can't move me if I don't want them to, let alone hold me, same goes for my wife.

Clearly, my wife and kids aren't trained... so trying to compare trained fighters, that we already know the out come of, is very pointless.

gimmie 5 min with your kids and wife... they will have it locked in.... ill be happy to show them.. then ill show you the defense to it.....

then we end up at square 1 again...

hahaha


semper fi

Isn't Aikido basically a fat load of shit as far as martial arts are concerned? Something like trying to kick someone's ass with Tai Chi? As far as I understood Aikido basically amounted to a performance art on par with ballet...

We had fun with this thread tonight at dinner. Poor Billy Blanks read this thread and asked if what Doc said was viable once the RNC was locked in. Just Dave put him through the ringer. Now he knows.

Pepper spray can do some serious damage, I got nailed with it from my sister once and I was in agony then I thought I was going to be blind.

Every girl should have this in her purse.

100% steven segal can't beat EVERYONE on this board, not just 99.9999999% no mater how old and fat he may be.

I explained how to break a standing RNC. You confirmed that is what is taught. What's the issue?

It's not like breaking a RNC from a trained person is ever going to be easy, for sure when a blackbelt life long trained fighter gets it on you... come on.

I didn't explain the ground one, just no reason to sit and explain every situation that could come about and again, if a life long trained blackbelt gets on you - it's going to be damn near impossible to get off.

I hope Billy is okay...

I'll choke you by blowing my kush smoke on your face

Bong Hit Fights!

I am willing to put 100k against anyone of you guys against Seagal.

Even the great modest JustDave, who is great humble guy.
Notice how he did not go against Seagal, as a real true trained fighter knows Seagal will break any of you in about two seconds if you even try to approach him in any aggressive manner.

Again, I will bet 100k against any of you against Seagal. Who wants to bet?

I know Seagal will snap any of you in the first two seconds. I have been around the man. I am ready to bet

I'll get in the ring with anyone for a $100k - just have him name the place and I'll show up. Let me know and I'll shoot you over my wire details.

after eading this thread I feel like I'm now a master at RNC.
so the next time my GF nags me POW RNC her ass to sleep. just call me Billy Bad Ass

I'll get in the ring with him for $99,900 if you want to save some cash. :winkwink:

I thought Title Fights went up in value? :1orglaugh

Billy is fine. We had two Machado Black Belts in the house at one point, one of the funniest nights I've had in a long time listening to their stories.

Bro, I'll say it again. "You" break out of a RNC and armbar because it's applied incorrectly. The Judo counter you posted earlier works, a percentage of the time. I've actually been taught the counter and tested on it, with a non compliant partner. Against a live roll, I'd probably get it 2 out of 10 times, and I'm trained in it. But no one I know would slap it standing, RNC would be slapped on after your posture has been broken and position dominated. Then your judo counter, and finger counter don't work a damn.

I can teach anyone the RNC and have them effective with it in 10 minutes choking people out.

So you know next time the correct defense to being choked, armbarred, tapped out... Is not to be caught in it. I'd explain it more, but it's something you have learn when you train submission fighting.

Glad Billy is gtg.

Wow more blackblets doing exactly what they've trained to do for years, and succeeding - shocking, I guess.

The Judo move is one of many, you even confirmed that is one way taught to you. The finger isn't getting you out, that's not it's job. And I'm sorry if you only trained one way, you can research probably 50 different ways to break various RNC's online if you need to up your skills.

Most people can be taught the RNC and then they could then choke people out - that is correct. I guess I'll go around teaching a bunch of a 10 year olds how to do it so they can surprise attack you and drop you 80% of the time. :1orglaugh

Yeah, we know not being caught in it is key.. but that isn't what we're talking about.

I don't need to go online to go find out how to break out of a RNC. I don't deal in theory, but in practical application. Last night I had the pleasure of hanging out with another BJJ Blackbelt who literally laughed out loud when I read verbatim your boast of being to break out of a fully locked on RNC and Arm Bar because someone isn't strong enough.

The difference is that my 11 year old daughter knows how to apply the choke properly with the right technique, now 16, at 130lbs, would choke you the fuck out. And there wouldn't be a damn thing you could do about it.

As a father and husband, I made sure my children and wife can defend themselves knowing how to apply a proper submission instead of being the big alpha male who won't let them because it would hurt my ego.

That is not how it works. You say you can beat Seagal, I am willing to bet YOU that you can not. No one will pay you anything, put your 100k up then we will talk.

So you don't take other peoples knowledge, versions, styles, and learn all that you can by practicing it? It must suck to train with someone that isn't willing to learn or try new things.

You need to trade your black belt in for an ego belt.....

Neat, your family members can apply a submission while someone else boot fucks them - brilliant work.

Who said anyone wouldn't let them, who said I haven't let my family/friends get the upper hand to learn? Why do you make up wild stupid shit in your posts rather than stay on topic?

WTF are you talking about? I never said I could beat Seagal - you people are fucked in the head over this subject...

Do you guys share roid needles or something?

just because you are a fucking stupid gorilla who thinks 'choke holds' are a normal part of life doesnt mean anyone else does.

idiot

I'm lost this is about choke holds? My question is why you never see real karate in UFC fighting where is the bruce lee's and chuck's?

Everybody already knows the single best way to get out of an RNC is to hit the assailant full speed with your car. Nobody can maintain an RNC after being crushed by 3 tons of steel going 85-90mph. It's such an effective counter that it doesn't even matter what kind of car you prefer to drive. Even a Yugo or a Saturn Vue going 80 has enough force on impact to end the submission attempt once it makes contact with your assailant.


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