I have never posted how great my cam site converts but I do believe that it converts pretty well, simply because we provide very good value for money.

It is not a whitelabel, it is a fully functioning site, standalone site, 100% owned and managed by me.

I am actually presently thinking over an offer to sell my site and such a test could help me or completely fuck me, but if my site is not too small for your requirements for your test (around 50 online 24/7) I would be prepared to take that risk and put it forward.

We do not normally use external affiliates, but we have a good inbuilt affiliate program that we use for tracking sales from our own network of domains that would provide very adequate tracking, and you could have access to that for verification.

And how your scam convert ?? :winkwink:

Hi Choker,

I'm a little surprised at your attitude. Why would you call anyone a shithead for calling anything unfair?

Don't get me wrong - your idea could be good, but in my opinion you have left our a few important parameters to your offer. In particular, you left out (or I didn't notice) the keywords you will use, the sources of the traffic, the quality of the traffic (Are these hits from qualified customers? If so how do you define qualified?) What about Geo traffic? Language perhaps?

Another important parameter is time. Customers to a chat site would never spend money on the very first visit (and if they did we might consider it fraud). We have found that on average it takes people about 15 or so log-ins before finally committing to making a purchase. How much time are you allowing for sites to convert your traffic?

Next, exactly what are you looking for as far as a commission goes? What percentage? PPS or Rev Share?

A few months ago we gave up on our own affiliate program simply because affiliate costs (Commissions + Support) could not compete with carefully selected pay per click traffic. PPC is easy to manage, and works incredibly well for us, and is much cheaper than any affiliate program.

You and I have done business before but the traffic ==> content matchup didn't seem to work out well for us because we didn't see a noticeable increase in sales. However, I think your offer is really interesting and I would like to take you up on it, but with a couple of requests.

Would you be willing to:

- Provide quality, targeted, North American, qualified traffic
- Limit the clicks to about 2500 per day (giving initial visitors time to sign up)
- Do this for NO COMMISSION?

In place of a commission, I would be willing to agree to purchase 1.5 Million clicks worth of PPC traffic from you over 3 months as long as it was the same filtered traffic described above as long as a percentage of the traffic you sent "converted" (ie, was a good match up for our content).

What percentage of conversion would you think would be fair for this test?

This is actually nonsense Mark.

So, really you are saying, you had no affiliates worth a shit because you don't convert well. Otherwise affiliates would bring you a shitton of sales.

Also, the biggest affiliates do not need support. We know everything.

2 things:

1. Why would you need to ask someone to do a test? Just do the freaking test already and pick some out.

2. Who says its the camsites, and not your crappy traffic. Would you be willing to post YOUR stats after i buy 100k and send them to 5 paysites YOU tell me to send to and compare them with 5 other brokers?

If so, let me know, and lets get this show on the road. If not, you are just as bad.

Serious question choker, would you be willing to take that on? No troll, seriously.

how long are you going to wait before posting the results ?

Because obviously PPS and revshare will not produce the same amount.
Those revshared clients will keep on spending and will keep on making you money...

yes but the whole point of working revshare for an affiliate is PRECISELY your example :)

We are in
 

We are willing to participate in your test and looking forward to see the results. You may choose PPS or revshare, it's up to you. Our site www.needlive.com has been around for about 5 years now and we were buying traffic frequently from chokertraffic in the beginning. We did not buy in the recent months but if the traffic turns out to be good, we will consider running campaigns again.

damn! Last time I bought 100,000 hits I made $20K extra over the next few months... but rules are rules... no white labels!

u r the man choker,
keep us updated,
good luck.

u r the man choker,
keep us updated,
good luck.

save that cash, you'll need it for lawyers :2 cents:

Nice one Choker :)

If traffic sellers content were worth anything they wouldn't be selling it at 1,000s of clicks for a $.

They would of always sent it to paysites, filtering it first themselves.

*yawn* tired old argument...

Some people are good at experimenting, testing and tweaking to find the absolute best match for their traffic.

Some people are good at brokering it.

Just cos you're buying traffic, doesn't mean it's pure crap.

They're clever enough to find all this traffic, cleaver enough to filter it and sell it in categories. Yet not clever enough to do what 100s of other are and make even more money.

Guess traffic isn't king then. :1orglaugh

Have the decency and don't use the "revshare" word.

Actually, it is not nonsense. I don't say customers don't buy immediately, but that's more or less rare cases, generally customers spend some time before purchasing credits, this also depends on the actual cam site setup.

I don't really see the purpose of this thread other than promoting Choker's traffic. There are lots of criterias in order to do a proper test and even so, there is no way it can be too accurate.

nothing will ever happen of this, as usual.

Quoted for truth. Same with choker not accepting my offer.
Casting stones in the glasshouse, welcome to ae! :)

QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

Choker has no balls alright, this is just a cover up that he has some down there somewhere!

When the "comp" starts Frisky can send his 100,000 X 5 traffic to CamGirls.com and the other 5 "real" Camgirls sites combined getting that Choked Up traffic won't even register by comparison to what we'll make! :thumbsup

I'll setup NATS this week (no skin but working at CamAffiliate.com) on 30% RevShare - give us 2 months to tally the income! We'll make FRICKIN SHITLOADS when you use a REAL DOMAIN!

I guess cause they advertise and buy traffic from him and they might pull if results are bad?


ahahahahah yeah okkkkk
that was by sending traffic to your streamMate WL?

Jeez, i wonder why http://www.free-cams.co.uk/ should convert all day </sarcasm>

I don't know who you are and what site you are basing this opinion on but in my experience, you are wrong. Customers nowadays know how chat works and it is a daily occurence for a new member to purchase credits on the day he first visits the site.

If like Mark says customers on average come to the site 15 times before getting their credit card out, then there is something seriously wrong with the site.

That said, with Mark's livecamnetwork I can possibly understand it, as often (like right now for example) I have seen it with only 1 or 2 online.

I can quickly determine the niche of a site by loading it and glancing at it for a moment, perhaps clicking on a few things if I'm unsure. It takes seconds.

Determining where I should send traffic from that site in order to convert it is a significantly more involved task.

I looked up your account back in 2008 you spent like $500 on traffic, then again in March 2010 you spent another $100. Looking at your orders the urls you sent to have no tracking urls on them, it's just the domain without a affiliate id or any tracking whatsoever. Also it apears you bought about 50% non premium countries. Also none of your urls you bought to are free live teaser chats. I have found that sending to a random girls online now free teaser chat does the best with cam sites. Also buying traffic to a url without a affiliate id, well your jsut guessing at conversions if you do that. Your last buy was $100 and $100 worth of traffic is not gonna make a dent on anyones stats really.
I should have managed these orders for you.

I don't own a cam site myself, however i've been in the cam business for a while now, as in promoting and researching cam sites.

I agree, for customers to visit 10 - 15 times a site before buying credits is a bit too much. It's not all about how many times they visit the site, but the timeframe between their visits. A potential customer can visit a site today wanting to buy credits, but doesn't like any model, so the customer doesn't buy credits. Customer visits again the site in X amount of time, likes a model, buys credit and so on, there's tons of scenarios.

A customer buying from the first visit to the site is a bit rare, at least that's my feedback, it also depends on each site setup.

so uh... who's participating?

You say you want 5 cam sites to take this offer. One thing I see is some people keep buying traffic from you and some do not. So as you know the traffic might work for one cam site, but not the other. They could of also use a wrong or different landing than the other cam sites. on the domains I promote cams with, I use different landings and teasers depending on what KW the SE's are sending.

I say, just signup for 5 sites you have seen posting here, and run the test.
Picking the best 5 cam sites would help your traffic business, but might as well see how your traffic does against 5 random cam sites. Once you sign up as an affiliate, I am sure if the company has an account rep, they will help with what the best marketing tool will be, and or you seem to know what workes best with your traffic..

just a thought!

Not paysites, cam or dating sites. And send all 100k to the exact same site, exact same landing page, exact same geo. You dont have enough money to buy 100k from 5 different brokers, so why even discuss this?

These people are actually quite lucky it is you and not me. I would have just signed up as my GF, sent the traffic and posted the results here for the top 10 or so sites by Alexa rating. At least you are letting them come out on whether or not they want to participate in the experiment.

You are so completely incorrect, c'mon man you know that is an old noobish statement don't you?

Paul you most likely know more about this industry than anyone in the thread but your methods and ideologies are clearly outdated. Or maybe you just have no experience in buying and converting traffic from a broker? I am no pro but I know for a fact broker traffic is not worthless. The way some of their systems are setup do cause the traffic to perform better or worse though.

What 99% of traffic brokers really need to work on is giving the buyer some kind of control over exactly what sites the traffic comes from and the methods used to drive the traffic. If it's all traffic from tiny vague links on a bunch of random sites then it's probably going to perform like shit.

I'm with you, why should someone be so kind as to ask if they can include a sponsor in their test? You're sending them traffic and you know what you're doing so if it doesn't work out then fuck them and their shitty cam site and post the results.

great thread...
would like to see the results...

I have a feeling I've been wasting my cam traffic for years now...

i have feeling that this thread is going nowhere.

Quoted for truth.

Agreed. So you would participate choker?
Lets get serious. I am.

I'll buy 100k from different brokers. You may choose what camsite i will be promoting, you may choose the kind of traffic, i will buy identical traffic from all 5, 100k each.

I will post screens of everythinh, and i will give you access to to the camsites account so you can verify it.

How bout it, lets get it on the road? Or are you chickening out yet again?

makes it more interesting. :thumbsup

step forward cam companies! i'll sign up at the winning site! =)

I've got a UK site with a very UK orientated billing mechanism that works well, can I just buy some UK cam orientated traffic from you? I think I used to buy a fair bit off you before, but that was before we had all our cam stuff

Of course I'm game. But one thing, brokers have different prices so make it a set amount of money for each broker, so hits sent by each will be different but same amount of money spent. Let me know when you have the funds deposited with the other 4 brokers. I'm thinking for us uk ca au you will need to deposit $400 with each.

I'm thinking to do PPS and giving weekly updates

Choker can I BUY 100,000 at the same time as the other 5 cam sites?

I've only got RevShare model so let's set the cap at 2 months, I don't mind making all the profit!

I'm in! Playa #6! Unofficial entry!

Thats 2K. Kid is going to pawn his bicycle, ps3 and all of his princely possessions to come up with that much money.

Thread delivers, congrats to Choker for getting business.

Sounds like a plan, so now we have the first site. First things first, since I accepted Frisky's challenge how about we make your site the one he sends the $2500 worth of traffic from 5 different brokers too? Since your the first cam site to accept this challenge I think we should do this. Frisky did say I can pick the camsite. He will signup as a affiliate with you, then make 5 different campaigns, 1 for each broker, this way we can tell which broker sends the most signups. Since this is a public test I'm sure Frisky would not mind you posting the results.

well this is getting very interesting! can't wait for some results...

Yes of course, just icq me 116894466 thanks

Same here.
I have a feeling dutch queer boy is going to find some sort of excuse to back out of it, so hopefully someone will take on this challenge. I really want to see how adult broker traffic works. All jokes aside its been doing horribly for me.

Just woke up here and saw this thread....

Hey add us to your list we'll take the traffic and have no problems whatsoever with your posting the results on here. We don't have PPS but do offer 30% Revshare for the LIFETIME of the customer. That's lifetime as in the rest of this year, all of next year, the year after that, etc., etc. You also get 60% of any VIP purchases the member makes.

We've been in this game since 2001 and in our experience revshare is the better way to go. We deal with mainly Asian cam models and say what you will about comparing them to their western counterparts, but the simple fact is - they're addictive as hell.

So go ahead.....add us to your little mad scientist experiment and send us the traffic to http://www.asians247.com which is our main flash-based site. We also have custom white labels, live embeds, iframes, etc. but you asked for the regular site link so their you have it. Sign up as an affiliate to get a tracking code and set a campaign ID to it and you'll get paid on any sales you make same as anyone else does. Keep in mind you'll also see any free joins you may get and never discount these as often times guys might not buy right away and sometimes do so after testing out the free chat for awhile. Come back here and post the results.

Good stuff. :thumbsup