100 webcam experts...

Just weighing in here a bit because I see a bunch of choker bashing going on and I sometimes get tired of seeing shit.

Back a couple of years ago I was setting up a site, pushing out to various cam sponsors. I bought a little tiny bit of feeder traffic through Choker, I think I spend a whopping 25 or 30 bucks all together. I was new to it, had never bought traffic before so I hit up choker and got a little guidance on what I should buy. Because it was cheap feeder traffic I did not expect much from it but ended up getting a few sales off it, so the traffic ended up paying for itself plus some.

So, I have nothing bad to say about choker or his traffic. If I was still doing sites or if I start putting some up again, I will be going to choker for the traffic to get things started up.

Thats just my :2 cents:

Okidoki!

So 5 different brokers, and i spend $400 on each one.
You will need to be a bit more specific on the kind of traffic though so we make sure we dont get into a "thats different traffic" after all this is finished.

I will post a thread looking for some brokers, if they dont reply within a day, i will ask you and let you choose which broker you want me to sign up to and buy from them.

Another thing, i will need a new account on your brokersite. Can i just go ahead and make that, or do you want to do it for me?

How do you want the brokers to send the traffic btw. I can either setup a whitelabel on a new domain, or we can ask the brokers to send it straight to the affiliate reflink.

Im not sure which site you where talking about there, although i had hoped you would choose one thats established and converts. You said you had experience with getting your traffic to convert which i doubted. Lets make sure we dont get into an "well that site is new, bad, doesnt convert, doesnt have the right content etc etc" arguements afterwards.

Lemme know, you can always hit me up on icq, i think i unblocked you :thumbsup

Just buy from the brokers everyone talks about on gfy. They are not going to reply to a post of yours and voluntarily do this. Brokers buy traffic from each other, I"m probably the biggest traffic buyer there is. Why would they want me to look bad or vica versa? What your gonna find out after wasting $2000 is that all brokers traffic is about the same. But it's your contest so do as you want. The page needs to be a random online now free teaser chat. Don't need a whitelabel keep it simple. And needlive is a established site

So your saying broker traffic is a waste of money anyways?
Not sure where you are heading??

Yeah... I was wondering the same thing when I read that, Jack.

Always the manipulitive bitch lol. Make the deposits lets get this going.

and that would be a good reason to do revshare over pps. HOWEVER not a good thing to do if the point was to do a "test" to see which cam program was better because it would be more to do with luck then which one was actually better.

Ermm, not much different ways i can go with your post bro.

backpedaling, bitch? Suddenly he's your "bro".
Just buy it and go.
Put your money where your .. Well, you don't have the money, so what ever.

It's not nonsense at all. A customer won't spend money with just any cam girl. He will instead look around to chat with different girls, or come back the next day or the day after that if he liked the site enough. He might also make a "date" with her and request that she come back on at a certain date and time, wearing a costume or bring a specific toy.

Don't forget there are other factors too. "Today", his card might be maxed out, or perhaps his family members are around, or he might just not be in the mood. There are alot of things that must line up before a customer will be ready to purchase chat time with a model and you have to allow some time for this to occur. For us, it has been typically about 15 sign-ons, meaning as an average, people who will become customers, will sign on about 15 times before converting. An affiliate looking to make money should find a website who takes time into account, and pays you for customers who might convert a month from now, and not just today.

Hi Choker, we have a cam site in our program. We're game! :)

No thats not at all what I said. Here's another way to look at it.

The cost per acquisition (CPA) from affiliate traffic is very high compared to the CPA of other forms of traffic.

To gather the attention of affiliates, a company has to offer large commissions, usually on rev share, create lots of tools, throw big parties at trade shows, etc etc. That's fine if you're a big company but if you're a small company that cost is significant. PPC and other forms of traffic simply makes more sense for us.

Stop backpeddling, you know who the most popular 4 brokers are other than me, signup for needlive, find the random online now url, make 5 different campaigns, submit those urls for approval at the 5 brokers, then deposit $400 at each. It's pretty simple. And yes make a new account at my system, only payment method I will accept from you is paxum or wire. No credit for you.

Hi Lagcam,

I agree for the most part, however even if all customers know how chat sites work, they would still take the time to purchase.

What is wrong with our site is something that has been plaguing us for a while now. Russian and Romanian models who (a) Refuse to talk by voice, (b) Ignore customers, (c) do a shit job. The girls don't understand that they are both the content and the sales person for that content.

What's good about our site are some of the other models from Canada and the US who go out of their way to make customers feel free good about joining the site and spending a little cash. These are the girls who hook the customers and keep them happy enough to stay and stay and stay. These girls convert about 1:15, while the russian girl's conversion rates suck.

Hi Choker,

We had been doing our own internal tracking which is what I was basing my findings on, although I thought we did try an affiliate link as well, but it might have been with another traffic provider.

And yes, I would like very much for you to manage our orders next time. If you're offering this service, I'll take you up on it.

+1:thumbsup

Where did little Jurgen go? I thought he was going to buy traffic and try webcams?

I dont have paxum, do you accept mastercard?
Btw. to make it even more fair, i will load it with 400 and YOU manage the traffic the site will get. We dont want to get into an arguement about me selecting the wrong kind of traffic right.

I will start with your traffic. Then you can choose the next broker after yours is done.

Fair enough right? Agreed?

Now your trying to change the deal, I expect this from you. No I will not take mastercard from you. Your such a big player you dont even have paxum? And absolutely no, you will send all 5 brokers traffic at same time, to send at seperate times would lead to excuses. Look boy, either put up the money or be bitchslapped for the 1000th time on GFY.

You have basically changed the direction of this thread now your backing out? Fuck you

Back on track, we have two sites ready for this test. Need three more. Who's game?

Lol so paxum is for the big players and you dont accept a valid creditcard?

If someone is backpeddling its you. Ive made it more then fair. And maybe a little reminder but the last 3 times you got bitchslapped.


Now you are full of yourself daring the cam companies, but your trying to complicate it when someone asks the same thing of you?

Another bubble bursts in your face bro.

Anyway i'll see if one of my guys can paxum your big baller paxum account lol :)

LOL, the terms were clear and you are trying to change them. Wire transfer is fine, western union is fine, paxum is fine, I do accept credit cards thru alertpay, but I would NEVER take a credit card payment from YOU. If you have to charge this $2000 for a test, well too bad, you opened your mouth and made the challenge. I'm sure there are pawn shops near you.

another steps up to the plate

Well we are game over at http://www.camdough.com/

Is JuicyAds considered a broker? Because $400 there would absolutely destroy everything else in the test combined..

Here we go. As expected, little dutch queer boy is having second thoughts.

Its just 500 per broker, not sure why you wouldnt take my creditcard as everyone else i do biz with daily has no problem with it.

But its ok i will setup paxum or wire you, no problem.

Lets see you crying about something as an excuse for your shitty traffic when the test is done. Im sure you will find something by then ;)

Choker:

Jack Sparrow said in the last line of his post to you

And you're answer to him was


This is really not cool. This thread so far was all about a deal that you offered, and now Jack Sparrow and myself have expressed interest in the deal but asked if we could have it changed to make it more fair. All he did was ask, and all you had to say was No.

Even if you don't trust JackSparrow that much I'm pretty sure he knows that the misuse of credit cards by charging back will hurt him too and plus any deal-break from him would easily result in a new thread of GFY anyway, so what's the problem?

Sorry Choker I think you're a good guy at heart and the deal you are offering sounds good but the way you are talking to someone who is hoping to make a deal with you is making me think twice. It's up to you of course but I would reconsider Jack's idea. If you can do it for him, great. If not, you can't. No big deal, just say so and make a counter offer if you can, no big deal.

Peace.

Have you seen the trolling, backpedalling and empty promises that JS throws at Choker all the time? I don't blame him for being sceptical. I'm sure Choker is a smart guy, he doesn't want to turn down potential buyers, but at the end of the day some people are just assholes and there's no way you want to or can work with them. So don't let this thing with JS cloud your judgement, go buy some traf from Choker, you'll be looked after...

Mark, people who really know me also know that i have been in this biz for a long long time. Ive send a lot of sales to sponsors from my existing traffic, i buy traffic and adspots on a lot of the major sites on a monthly basis. Ive always paid upfront, by wire, creditcard, epass when it was still around.

I paid a lot of designers and coders upfront over the years, never been a problem.

The only problem there is, is with fakenicks, trolls and choker.

I think my offer was more then fair, you explained it very well. Better worded then i could havr done it being dutch.

I dont see the problem either other then choker trying to complicate things to avoid from getting bad publicity because his traffic isnt exactly top notch.

Or in his words: "you would only be wasting money on this traffic".

I even made it easier for him, he could choose what kind of traffic to filter from his system after i load the account. I guess that made him a bit afraid because he couldnt use the excuse of me buying "the wrong kind of traffic" from his system.

Now he is actually posting im not a big baller because i pay per wire or creditcard instead of using paxum. Its the world upsidedown. The fake trolls will defend him, because their goal is to trash me, no matter what.

Im not new to him backing out of something like this.

Its just silly how he attacks a complete niche, but whem asked to do a similar contest he twists and turns to make it all complicated.

Says more about him then about me i guess.

No, this thread was about me finding 5 cam sites and sending traffic to them on my dime to see which converts the best. Frisky turns it into a he will buy traffic from 5 different brokers. The only problem I see here is that Frisky doesnt have the money and has to use a credit card. As a general rule I don't accept credit cards from anyone except $100 maximum thru alertpay and it's not a real time process. And I only do this for new buyers to test out my traffic. 90% of my buyers are regulars and make payments of $5000 or more and have no problems with wire or paxum.

And he's not trying to make a deal with me, he thinks he's gonna make me look bad, that's his only motivation. Maybe you don't know our history.

And I got news for you Frisky, many other brokers don't accept credit cards. Pretty much every sponsor offers paxum payouts now, no excuse for not having a paxum account nowadays.

Totall bs. Check back the last 3 threads where i dared choker, lets see who was backpeddling. Judging from the replies from REAL people on this board it wasnt me.

If we are looked after, wheres the problem, i made it more them fair for him, tell me exactly what the problem is.

You are more clouded in your judgement then mark is really.

Its a very objective test, whos backing out now really?

I'll do the test anyway and i will wait for you, choker, and the fake trolls to cry about it with bs and excuses about the testing circumstances when i offered everything to make this as fair as possible.

@choker: bro, i told you i would give you access to the cam account so how would i be able to make you look bad? You can choose what traffic from your system you want to filter, so that shouldnt be a problem either.

Not sure if you know this, but in the netherlands its mighty hard to fuckup with a creditcard. And still, its 400, you think i would fuck you over so you can hurt my rep, for 400?

Really?

I will get paxum just for you, hows that, it will take a bit longer to start and is an unnecessary complication but hey if that makes you feel happy its fine with me.

If your traffic converts the best of all 5, i will buy another batch of it, 4k worth.

Good enough, or are you still gonna try to find something else to argue about?

I'm not backing out, your manipulating and twisting shit as usual. The only issue is that I refuse to take a credit card payment from you. I will accept Paxum, western union, wire transfer from you.

No, you did not buy traffic from me using a affiliate or tracking code. Let me be perfectly honest and open here. Right now cam sites are my biggest buyers. They are doing good. I have about 8 cam sites buying traffic at the same time, but they all buy all the us uk ca au my system can send them. Since I send 30 day uniques I can support double this amount of cam sites. If I sent 24 hour uniques these 8 active buyers would get every single hit I have. But since I send 30 day uniques I have leftover us uk ca au that is going to other buyers. If I can find smaller less known cam sites that can convert good I will buy this unsold and send as a affiliate. The cam sites that are doing the best right now from my traffic are those that have the mfc model.

Ok, lets get this back on track, I'll just wait on Frisky if and when he follows thru. In the meantime the following cam sites have accepted this challenge

http://www.needlive.com
http://xxxlmoney.com/ but not sure what the cam site url is
http://www.camdough.com/


So I need 2 more. This costs the webcam sites NOTHING, I'm sending the traffic as a affiliate on my own dime here.

So is it on or not with Sparrow kid?

I don't know, he is trying to twist it around into saying I'm backing out because I won't take a credit card payment from him.

Jesus christ you guys troll each other all the time and it's always pointless, you're both successful or whatever you want to hear that gets you off. Just do a fair and honest fucking test for everyones sake and Traffic Troll please stop with the childish instigating.

Excuse me? I troll him all the time? Every single thread I make he trys to derail. I accepted his challenge and he's trying to back out because I don't accept mastercard payments? Anyway to get this thread back on track, I need two more cam sites, preferably ones with MFC sort of model.

Signed up with the mighty paxum, but it'll take some time for them to identify and accept my companies legal docs etc.

If thats done i will load my card and ask choker again if he wants to manage the traffic of the loaded account to make sure its fair and he doesnt come up with some lame bs excuse again.

So, test is on. Just delayed because our bizman choker cannot or will not accept a company owned valid creditcard i use to pay all the time.

To be continued.

Btw i lollethed at the traffic troll statement :)

He won't take it because he doesn't like charge backs from shady fucks out of Holland. I wouldn't trust you either.
Wonder how long is this "delay" going to last. :1orglaugh

I hope not to long, but it depends on paxum :)
Cant wait to post the results.

Ps. What sites did you have again samir? Oh thats right, you dont have any broke asskisser :) :)

Lol! Come on guys if you were both in the same room you'd be making out by now.... j/k.

I have no interest in being a referee here so I respectfully back out of this thread after this post. I think everyone is bringing something interesting to the table and it's a really good chance to run a few experiments and discuss the findings with each other. Hopefully the fighting can end and some deals made somewhere. I would love to know how it turns out. I think Choker's idea is great for the right sites, and am now eagerly looking forward to seeing it make some huge cash.

Why dont you ask you buddy samir what sites he owns.
But if you're asking me, you've seen my stats little bitch. 21 sales at $95 a pop in 2 days. Just from one program. I make more in a day that you make in a month. Live with it boy. How much is your cam site making? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

We will just blame Paxum and companies papers that surely will not be good enough to open account. Or he will come up with some other bs excuse.

Did you find the 5 paysites?
Is the bet still on?

I'm sooo looking forward to seeing the results...

Just to throw a fact in here:

Back when I did my little tiny traffic buy, Choker did not accept credit cards direct, it was Epass or Western Union then, might have had a wire option, I don't remember.

So it seems to me that this is NOT a new policy that Choker is inventing for JS. It is and was his policy.

Back to the piss.



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Its all good, applied to paxum and have been approved.
So i will pull this through no matter what, unless he wont accept my paxum either all of a sudden :)