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12clicks 08-25-2011 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18379800)
Thats just it, destroy a breed because of stats? You have a better chance of being incorrectly diagnosed by a doctor causing death than being attacked by a pit bull, so lets do something about that!

I love Pit Bulls

no, you'd be wrong there too.
If people came into contact with pit bulls as often as they did with doctors, pit bulls would already be outlawed.
We get it, you lead the pitbull life. You want to defend it. However, facts and stats don't lie.
They're statistically the most dangerous dog in America by far.

TheSquealer 08-25-2011 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18379742)
Sometimes postal workers flip out, thats why they call it going postal, you going to ban them as well?

No because its not a problem that needs addressing since there have only been a few incidents in the history of civilization. Besides, white trash idiots don't take sketchy, armed, postal workers to the park to potentially shoot at children.

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Any dog has the capability of flipping out,
A chihuahua doesn't severely maim and murder. That's the difference. The problem with pitbulls is their disproportionate responsibility for deaths and extreme maiming.


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if you had every raised a dog over 50lbs, you would know that, but your parents only let you play with gerbils and they wondered why they smelled bad?
Ok.. "Mom".. really? What are you? 12 years old?

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Most aggressive dog I ever owned was a German Shepard, they were breed down in size and for aggression to be a guard dog, is that breed next? Get a fucking clue
Not all dogs are equal. Not all dog breeds are equally capable of inflicting the same damage. Not all dog breeds are of equal temperament. Not all dog breeds are of equal intelligence. Shepherds are not and never have been bred to be thrown into a cage and fight to the death. Shepherds aren't the dog of choice for white trash idiots, punk kids and gang bangers.

If you have anymore irrational and 100% emotionally driven remarks or irrelevant comparisons or terrible analogies, let me know. I'll be happy to address them for what they are.

czarina 08-25-2011 10:43 AM

I'm pro dogs and their rights, but I'm also a mom and I know the danger a pitbull represents for a child. So against my pet-loving instincts, I'd say YES, ban the breed altogether.

rip raster 08-25-2011 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18379646)
there is obviously something "off" about the pit bull breed. no matter how socialized and trained for some reason they randomly attack. that is why people are concerned and vote ban in their communities.

"gee i'm sorry he's such a great dog usually" doesn't bring a kids face back.

I've seen a border collie rip into some kids face before, never a pit bull though. I have seen many of them licking peoples faces.

MaDalton 08-25-2011 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18379805)
you find it hypocritical because you don't like guns.
Its a different culture. Its why we're the US and you're the, uh...........whatever name your country is going by this decade.:winkwink:

if you still insist on your cowboy culture, i demand that you wear a proper hat, a vest and chaps as well ;)

OneHungLo 08-25-2011 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18379800)
Thats just it, destroy a breed because of stats? You have a better chance of being incorrectly diagnosed by a doctor causing death than being attacked by a pit bull, so lets do something about that!

I love Pit Bulls

You're a fucking tool.

rip raster 08-25-2011 11:06 AM

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil...tes-in-canada/

Ontario, Canada



In 2005, Ontario passed a ban on all "pit bulls" and any dog that may appear to be a "pit bull."



Ontario officials claimed that pit bulls are "different" than other types of dogs and inflict injuries unlike other dogs. Despite the fact that there was no evidence to support this claim, a ban on "pit bulls" was enacted, and continues to be enforced in Ontario.



Ontario officials dismissed the fact that only ONE of Canada's 45 dog bite-related (since 1964) has involved a dog reported to be a "pit bull" dog.

12clicks 08-25-2011 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18379849)
if you still insist on your cowboy culture, i demand that you wear a proper hat, a vest and chaps as well ;)

our culture is far more than cowboy.
That siad, I have no problem with the hat, vest, and chaps (wooley if you please)

Vendzilla 08-25-2011 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18379822)
no, you'd be wrong there too.
If people came into contact with pit bulls as often as they did with doctors, pit bulls would already be outlawed.
We get it, you lead the pitbull life. You want to defend it. However, facts and stats don't lie.
They're statistically the most dangerous dog in America by far.

Wait, let's do a little math here, I come into contact with pit bulls every day, if I came in contact with a doctor everyday, I would be pretty fucked up and if he's diagnosing me everyday, I'm not going to live very long

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18379826)

Ok.. "Mom".. really? What are you? 12 years old?


No, just figuring out your name and why you squeal, does this have anything to do with the movie deliverance?

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 18379869)
You're a fucking tool.

And it seems you not only have a limited point of view, you have a limited vocabulary, go fuck your self shit for brains and get a book on phonics and not try to defend a point with a point of view that's equal to a teenager that's not had his balls drop!





Fucking listen to you retards, sounds like a bunch of angry villagers, lets get out the pitch forks and kill all the Pit Bulls, because they can be trained to protect. Same kind of mental inadequacy that drives things like, My son Johny saw an email for hairy lesbians, we need to take porn off the Internet to protect him?


Simply put, the best argument against breed bans is that they are costly and ineffective. Breed bans are often a knee-jerk reaction from politicians who want to say they are "doing something", after a highly publicized dog attack (of any breed). This is a useless exercise.

Criminals habitually break laws, so having an "illegal breed" may indeed be attractive to them and might make them want to breed and sell more "illegal dogs". If their dog is confiscated and killed, they really don't care. They will just get another one because breed bans punish the dog, not the owner.

On the other hand, law abiding responsible owners, whose dogs love people and have never done anything wrong, can see their homes invaded, often without a search warrant, and their beloved family members dragged away (in front of their children) to be killed. Not because the dogs are unstable or mean, but simply because of their breed. Meanwhile, the owners of truly dangerous dogs (of any breed) escape punishment because their breed is not targeted by legislation and therefor is believed "safe".

A 10 Lbs Pomeranian killed a baby a few years ago... Obviously a problem with that particular dog, not the breed. "The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/anim...s_angeles.html

Because of a serious lack of regulation in dog breeding, too many dogs inherit defective genes and are sold to irresponsible owners. A breed ban will not resolve the problem. This nonsense will continue with the next macho breed and will become an endless race between breed specific legislators and unscrupulous breeders.

A Pit Bull breeder was shut down last year because Pit Bulls were banned in Topeka, Kansas. All his dogs were seized and destroyed, just for being the wrong breed at the wrong place. The man now breeds and sells African Boerboels, a rare breed from the Mastiff family, completely unknown to legislators. Unlike American Pit Bull Terriers, however, who are known for their love of people, Boerboels are serious guard dogs bred specifically as protectors. An irresponsibly bred and owned Boerboel might actually be more dangerous than an irresponsibly bred and owned Pit Bull. This is what a breed ban has accomplished in Topeka...

So in light of this, what kind of message are we telling abusive and irresponsible individuals when we make the dogs pay the price for their actions?



You guys would think that you would be more open minded given what you do for a living

porno jew 08-25-2011 11:45 AM

who said kill all pit bulls you retard. no one.

baddog 08-25-2011 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18379745)
because if you shoot someone, you go to jail. If your pit bull bites someone, you get to say you're sorry.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4470287.shtml

Vendzilla 08-25-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18379849)
if you still insist on your cowboy culture, i demand that you wear a proper hat, a vest and chaps as well ;)

Did you just insult John Wayne?

http://images.cheezburger.com/comple...0f467b1a8c.jpg

Vendzilla 08-25-2011 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18380003)
who said kill all pit bulls you retard. no one.

What happens to dogs that are illegal? Maybe ship them all to a tropical island? Are you that retarded?

Do you have problems chewing gum and walking at the same time?

porno jew 08-25-2011 11:51 AM

dog prison for those still alive. make it illegal for new ones to breed.

CyberHustler 08-25-2011 11:51 AM

I bet a shit load of those bad pit bull stats and reports are false...





TheSquealer 08-25-2011 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18379988)
No, just figuring out your name and why you squeal, does this have anything to do with the movie deliverance?

It's hard to imagine that anyone that is so immature can be allowed to own a potentially dangerous animal. Really, you are hurting your own position more than you are helping it. I really didn't care about banning pitbulls as much as I am interested in the denial of what they are capable of. However, after reading so much of your irrational and immature stupidity, I am not only starting to believe pitbulls should be banned, but that we should also look at a program to sterilize stupid adults.

Vendzilla 08-25-2011 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18380026)
It's hard to imagine that anyone that is so immature can be allowed to own a potentially dangerous animal. Really, you are hurting your own position more than you are helping it. I really didn't care about banning pitbulls as much as I am interested in the denial of what they are capable of. However, after reading so much of your irrational and immature stupidity, I am not only starting to believe pitbulls should be banned, but that we should also look at a program to sterilize stupid adults.

Wow, must have had parents from the Hitler youth, sterilize what you conceive as stupid, which is people according to you to have a different point of view.
Thats the easy way for sure since you're not intelligent enough to conceive of anything else. What a fucking moron

CyberHustler 08-25-2011 11:57 AM






12clicks 08-25-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dedi (Post 18380025)
I bet a shit load of those bad pit bull stats and reports are false...


well you'd HAVE to bet because the facts don't support your guesswork.

Vendzilla 08-25-2011 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18380024)
dog prison for those still alive. make it illegal for new ones to breed.

Guess you haven't heard about the economy, maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and look around.

Where's the money for this doggy prison coming from? Remember there are 4.5 million of them, seriously, do you ever think before posting?

12clicks 08-25-2011 12:00 PM

a friend of mine had a pitbull jump over their 6ft. privacy wall and attack their dog.

now we can pretend it wasn't a pitbull, we can pretend "other" dogs do it too, we can even pretend the dog was provoked.

however, the facts are one thing, pretending is something else.

porno jew 08-25-2011 12:04 PM

a friend of mine's pit smashed through their living room window and attacked a kid in the playground across the street. "good" pit bull's just snap and attack. it is not a media fantasy.

having a pit bull in your neighborhood is like having a munitions dump next door. something is going to go wrong one day.

Vendzilla 08-25-2011 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18380051)
a friend of mine had a pitbull jump over their 6ft. privacy wall and attack their dog.

now we can pretend it wasn't a pitbull, we can pretend "other" dogs do it too, we can even pretend the dog was provoked.

however, the facts are one thing, pretending is something else.

So because that dog attacked the other dog, we should kill all of the breed,

Funny that they tried that with the native americans in this country.

Pretty narrow minded

Vendzilla 08-25-2011 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18380060)
a friend of mine's pit smashed through their living room window and attacked a kid in the playground across the street. "good" pit bull's just snap and attack. it is not a media fantasy.

having a pit bull in your neighborhood is like having a munitions dump next door. something is going to go wrong one day.

Conjecture and false embellishments are only proving you have limited imagination and a singular dysfunctional mental awareness toward that which you know nothing about.

porno jew 08-25-2011 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18380078)
Conjecture and false embellishments are only proving you have limited imagination and a singular dysfunctional mental awareness toward that which you know nothing about.

it's an odd but true story which shaped my view on the topic. at least i don't pretend to be a sub commander and room with gangsters. :1orglaugh

Vendzilla 08-25-2011 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18380084)
it's an odd but true story which shaped my view on the topic. at least i don't pretend to be a sub commander and room with gangsters. :1orglaugh

You really don't have any imagination do you? I feel sorry for you. Go check your door, I think your meds just showed up

Vendzilla 08-25-2011 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18380051)
a friend of mine had a pitbull jump over their 6ft. privacy wall and attack their dog.

now we can pretend it wasn't a pitbull, we can pretend "other" dogs do it too, we can even pretend the dog was provoked.

however, the facts are one thing, pretending is something else.

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18380060)
a friend of mine's pit smashed through their living room window and attacked a kid in the playground across the street. "good" pit bull's just snap and attack. it is not a media fantasy.

having a pit bull in your neighborhood is like having a munitions dump next door. something is going to go wrong one day.

I call Bull Shit, I know you guys don't have any friends

CyberHustler 08-25-2011 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18380060)
a friend of mine's pit smashed through their living room window and attacked a kid in the playground across the street. "good" pit bull's just snap and attack. it is not a media fantasy.

:1orglaugh Did the Army come in afterwards to shoot it down with a black hawk?

TheSquealer 08-25-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18380061)
So because that dog attacked the other dog, we should kill all of the breed,

Look you simple fucking idiot. NO ONE SAID "KILL THE BREED". These are your words. NO ONE ELSE'S

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Funny that they tried that with the native americans in this country.
Another random and irrelevant deflection from facts and point that was made

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Pretty narrow minded
An assertion based on your own random and irrelevant deflection of the facts and the point that was made.

MaDalton 08-25-2011 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18380008)

at least you picked the correct John Wayne :winkwink:

Vendzilla 08-25-2011 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18380106)
Look you simple fucking idiot. NO ONE SAID "KILL THE BREED". These are your words. NO ONE ELSE'S

If you ban the breed, where do they all go? Have you invented teleportation to the moons of Jupiter or something, Einstein you're not!

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Another random and irrelevant deflection from facts and point that was made
Facts are it's similarities in narrow thinking and prejudice dip shit


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An assertion based on your own random and irrelevant deflection of the facts and the point that was made.
What fact, 4.5 million dogs and what % attacked people that were raised by responsible owners?
The assertion is not random, you're narrow minded and that seems to be very relevant as your only defense of stupidity.



I have to ask, after reading the crap you posted, do you know what the word random means?

CyberHustler 08-25-2011 12:53 PM

This thread is going platinum...

Vendzilla 08-25-2011 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18380135)
at least you picked the correct John Wayne :winkwink:

I'm impressed

http://www.ermal.com/index_files/JW-Photosm.jpg

Vendzilla 08-25-2011 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedi (Post 18380165)
This thread is going platinum...

Just trolls that think if they keep coming up with lame reasons, they can kill off an entire breed of animal.

PR_Glen 08-25-2011 02:00 PM

The reason they have never been accepted as breeds in the american or british kennel clubs isn't 'doggy racism' or the media, it's the fact that they don't use proper practices for breed selections. They are not screened for diseases or ailments, they are not screened for aggression (most dogs that are considered unstable or unsafe are put down even pure breds), in fact I think the only thing they are bred for is strength and colour which is down right irresponsible.

If they began taking responsibility and screening them for these things more the problem would solve itself. No need to exterminate any breed.

TheSquealer 08-25-2011 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18380139)
What fact, 4.5 million dogs and what % attacked people that were raised by responsible owners?

Again retard. Its irrelevant. Fact.. they attack. They kill. They attack unprovoked and murder people. Why does it matter what % were "responsible owners". We can't all have suitcase nukes just because only a few "irresponsible owners" will detonate them in a populated city. Lets just turn that one into a numbers game as well and then blame the owners when it goes bad for innocent people.


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...4.5 million dogs and what % attacked people that were raised by responsible owners? The assertion is not random, you're narrow minded and that seems to be very relevant as your only defense of stupidity.
Oh... well ok then. 50,000,000 drunk drivers on the road every year in the USA. Only XX,XXX innocent people killed. Lets use your moronic reasoning and legalize drunk driving. After all, its just a numbers game and the rights of the innocent to not be senselessly murdered are irrelevant. God Bless the USA!!

RebelR 08-25-2011 02:11 PM

Pretty sure that the vast majority of Pit Bull owners aren't intending to take them to Crufts or Westminster.

NETbilling 08-25-2011 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedi (Post 18369776)
Pits were specifically bred to be dog aggressive and nice to humans. The man-eaters were destroyed during they're creation. They have one of the lowest human attack rates of any dog, and not one spayed or neutered pit bull has ever killed a human. They're a family dog. They're so nice to people, they're the worst guard dogs.

Completely false

RebelR 08-25-2011 02:25 PM

an interesting read from a Breeder here http://www.atlkingpits.com/Articles/articles.html

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The Breed's Original Purpose
Humans have created specialized dogs through emphasizing desired traits and eliminating unwanted ones. It is no different with the pit bull type dogs. The American Pit Bull Terrier has been "selectively" bred for hundreds of years to fight other dogs. This is the sad "work" these dogs were created for. In the same way that Labradors were bred to retrieve birds, APBTs were bred to face other dogs in mortal combat. Even in dogs that are not recently bred from fighting lines, the urge to fight can arise at any time. Not to strongly emphasize this fact would be negligent.

That said, we can't blame specialized breeds for behaving as they were bred to. Specific traits were bred into the dogs and are now part of the breed's character. It's like the digging instinct of many Terriers, the herding behavior in Shelties, the compulsion to run in Greyhounds, etc. Your Pointer may have never spent a day on a real hunt, but he may still point and flush birds as his ancestors did.

It's a mistake to think that the fighting gene can be trained or loved out of a dog, or that early socialization will guarantee your pit bull will always get along with other animals. There are precautions to take when owning pit bulls, especially in a multiple-dog environment. Unfortunately these precautions are often viewed as acceptance for the sport of pit-fighting when nothing could be further from the truth. Knowing how to avoid a fight, as well as how to break it up if, despite all efforts one strikes, is proof of smart and responsible pit bull ownership.

rip raster 08-25-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NETbilling (Post 18380297)
Completely false

sorry to say that you are wrong


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