No even possible. Just saying your boyfriend worked in demolition doesn't make it possible to hide miles of wiring, and all of the other equipment needed to pull off the largest demo(6 times bigger than the record) ever done.

Because any common sense makes no sense to someone with a warped mind.

I'm not even kidding. You Truthers are absolutely crazy.

There has never been a steel structure in history that has collapsed like on the day of 9 11. Why hasnt there been a massive review of all steel structure buildings to ensure that they are safe as well?

That makes sense.....:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You dont actually need wiring. Just like you dont need wiring to connect your PC to the Internet. Just a wireless network.

Here ya go
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread385937/pg1
It seems like the majority of moon conspiracies have been debunked beyond debunked, so here's one I can't seem to get past. The moon has a number of retro reflectors which will return light to earth if a powerful enough laser (around 1 gigawatt) sends a pulse.

The official story is that these retro reflectors were mounted on the moon by the Apollo 11, 14, and 15 missions. There are only a few select active observatories in the United States which can effectively conduct this experiment, but to this day every single one has been proven to be true.
If we never went to the moon, who or what put these things there?

The aliens that constructed the great pyramids. Who else?

To be honest. I do like every conspiracy that is, mostly because conspiracy is extremely fun. (you people should just know what conspiracy-theories I have on people crossing the road when I'm driving a car nearby)

But this one? Even me, as a non-american, but a bit against Bush, doesn't believe in this one.

What I DO find interesting though, is that George (the something no. IV?) now explains that he staid dumb staring in that classroom to avoid panic. Wow, that is some good leadership, conspiracy or not..

M:)

So extremely a far from topic, But I have to say: Listening to Faith No More. Man they rock!
(And also, anyone scandinavian around? ICQ maybe?)

i encourage you to look for yourself.
there are many reports of night workers running into people who were laying new internet wires in the building.
also many many reports and complaints from workers saying their computers and desks were covered in dust each morning in the months before it came down.

whoever did this...they are pros, you think they dont have the balls to do shit right out in the open?
you want to bomb a building...ship it there on ups...have them drop it off right to the room you are wanting...or fake ups..doesnt matter
it would have been wheeled right up to where it was going....and you know how they got the bombs inside?
because a few months earlier, someones brother took over security of the buildings
that brothers first act? no more bomb sniffing dogs..they werent needed...just an extra expense.

anyway, im sure that is just coincidence though

no way, anyone is smart enough to pull one over on all of us geniuses.

:1orglaugh

http://jholroyd.com/wp-content/uploa...lumberjack.jpg

Plaid shirt bastards and their beaver skin hats! :mad:

I knew it...well, I'm satisfied - Conspiracy SOLVED!!! :party-smi

ADG

I don't know why, and I am absolutely no lumberjack (even meaner...) but I DO want to fuck that female character (polly in Fawlty Towers)

M:)

See, now you're just making up demolition tech.

you're right, nobody is smart enough to pull that off. Certainly not smart enough to be able to keep everyone involved quiet about it either. Not even close.

Just because the american government capitalized on the fear that came during and afterwards doesn't make them guilty of causing it...

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7227/headinsand.jpg

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You mean pull of the world's most intricate plan that would have needed the complicit silence from thousands involved of blowing up their own nation and people?

no come on man, post a video from youtube and join the rest of us :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

When someone like this backed by over 1000 other people with his qualifications and education say they were blown up then I agree with them.

i had written about five pages, and decided to erase it

you guys go one believing what you want

it wont change a damn thing anyway

It would make far more sense to bring people in from outside the country to do a job like this; that way loyalty is not an issue. One day someone will speak out, but they'll be killed as will their family; this will deter others doing the same

Somebody in the know did try to put a message about it in The Simpsons (for whatever motive they might have had)


Notice the Coupon as in "Coup On" at the bottom right

Also let's not forget, Nick Rockefeller did tip off his friend Aaron Russo before 9/11

At least back in the early 90's their fake news was a lot more obvious, whereas now they have superior technology. Fortunately a lot of us already know not to believe anything on the mainstream news

actually u dont even need wiring at all. you just need to recruit some arabs that want to die in a Jihad anyway, and help them get thru security. make sure u pack those planes with extra fuel and watch the show. the US/CIA recruits terrorists all the time to attack mutual enemies. Bin Laden's family was close allies to the Bush family back in the 70s and 80s during the early oil rush. you guys are too focused on the buildings and not focused enough on the motives.

of course, i dont think the US govt pulled it off, but i would not put it past some of the Park Avenue elite. look at what those fuckers did to the world economy in 2008. much worse than the effects of 9/11..

fact is that tons of molten steel were found in the basements - try to liquify steel with kerosine ... TRY IT and lemme know ... you will never report success - FACT! :2 cents:

what really pisses me most of those who refuse to ask questions ...

::: WHY THE FUCK WERE THE BASEMENTS FILLED WITH MOLTEN STEEL? NO-ONE SEEMS TO CARE - NOR TRIES TO EXPLAIN IT ::: all those official story believers bend the question and say "you dont need to melt it" BUT IT WAS GDAMMIT!!! NOW EXPLAIN TO ME: WHY?! THAT IS THE MOST CRUCIAL QUESTION!

I don't want to group all official story believers together, as not all believe exactly the same story, so I know this won't apply to all of you.

There's a major flaw in your arguments. On the one hand you believe that if one floor near the top of a skyscraper is hit it will take the whole skyscraper down in it's own footprint, but when people say to you that this is a controlled demolition, the rules change and you say "They wouldn't have time to rig the whole skyscrapers up", but according to your first belief only one floor needs to be taken out, so doing a controlled demolition of one floor perhaps with some burning jet fuel added for good measure would be enough.

Is it possible that the controlled demolition firms have been ripping us off for all these years, pretending they needed to work long hours rigging up a whole building, using far more explosives there were necessary, when all they really needed to do was blow up one floor near the top?

Assumptions are dangerous, it is only the highest-order of thinking that questions the assumptions that most of us make. This order of thinking is known as critical thinking. Next time you watch the news, don't believe what you're told, question everything, no more assumptions. Research for yourself :thumbsup

seriously.. like an accident... i just can't help slow down and watch.

oh yeah ... then watch THIS video VERY CLOSELY ... an unedited footage ... a CURSOR with a jet stream? lmao ...

It's been debunked. I would post the link but it is on another forum.

http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm

fact.

And why did the powers that be allow no inspection of the rubble?

Radio controlled demolition was prob used. Not wires.

Overload, good post on the fact that no steel frame building pancakes perfectly unless all beams are cut properly.

Lucy, right on the button on all posts.

This whole "the beams were weakened so it pancaked" just doesnt hold up.

Also, all it takes is the owners paying one small group of demolition experts a huge sum and they easily shut up for ten years. There doesnt have to be a lot of people involved to pull this off.

A lot money buys the arab leaders. Who get some patsys. And it happens. Perfect diversion.

Now whether the skies were cleared by the govt that day? Seems there were some fighters up who were called off. The sky was not cleared the whole day. Maybe just a bad call by the govt and not a govt conspiracy.

Show me how the govt was def involved? I may be missing some details.

Yes the govt and mil ind complex gained big time from the tragedy but that doesnt prove anything.

I find it hardest to believe that the govt and the owners were conspired alho if it was at the very top of the govt only it could happen with less involved.

Then again ever hear of the Free Masons?

At least one of the owners and the Bushes are known members.

Bottom line imo, someone demolished the Twin Towers. How big a conspiracy I dont know.

:1orglaugh

One last thing, I swear :) there are only two big motives:

1) A trillion dollar swing for the owners. 1/2 trill lost or 1/2 trill gained on insurance (these are numbers I had heard so this is only hearsay :) ) on what the Port Authority was assessing in needed repairs and wiring and other repairs to bring the towers up to code. Could explain why Bldg 7 had to go.

Why would they kill all these people? The only motive is the trillion dollar swing. It had to be an accident. To collect on the insurance. Which they did in 2005 (I believe that was the year).

2) Going to war.

So the two parties (owners and govt (Bushes) and other powerful mil ind interests) coming together at a Free Masons meeting or somewhere else... eh could happen.

It is interesting anyhow and I respect all opinions. Mine may not be right. Just how I lean. :) Some of you have done way more research so I will bow out of the discussion now and honor your expertise. :)

jesus christ what a stupid bitch

No, the temperature steel melts at is not a constant. It depends on the alloys used to make the steel. However, this is a pointless discussion because the fire was in the 600 degree range, which is about half of what steel generally melts at. The steel didn't need to melt - it needed to be weakened.

The building was constructed so that if some of the supports failed, it would shift the load bearing to other columns. This means that is "one column" failed, it would still stand. But dozens of columns were destroyed by the impact, and many many more weakened by the fire. That was just the start.

What most likely caused the building to collapse was the angle clips that held the floors in place - the joints that attached the floor to both the outer shell to the inner core. Once enough of these failed, one floor fell onto another floor.

It's also possible that the outer box columns began to bow outward, leaving entire floors without support. In other words, the outer walls heated and expanded and moved outward, and the concrete floor - which did not expand - was pulled on until the joints holding it up failed.

Can you show me a video of a building tipping over?

One floor failed to have enough support, and it fell down. DOWN. It did not tip over, it fell down. That hit the floor below it, which also fell DOWN. And so on. It wouldn't have tipped over because everything was falling DOWN.

That's incorrect. While there was a huge hole on the top of the towers where the plane impacted, every floor below it not affected was still in fact pressurized. All that air had to go someplace.

And this my problem with all the 9/11 conspiracy theories. There is a logical explanation for everything that happened.

But the big question is "why?". So we could attack Afghanistan? Afghanistan is a land locked country with no oil. Oh yeah, the pipeline? TEN YEARS later and that pipeline STILL ISN'T BUILT. I saw a new idea the other day saying that they did it because of asbestos. That was funny.

TOTAL BULLSHIT! for how long did it burn? 90 minutes? how many tons cud that possibly produce? less than ONE if any because the falling metal flow is cooled on its long way down :2 cents: fact! no way cud that lil flow produce a metal lake that burns soles of steel cap shoes for ... FOR 3 WEEKS! besides, this shit you mean lands OUTSIDE and NOT in the basement as one can obviously see ... so, TOTAL BULLSHIT!

I think your wrong here. One floor does not hold the weight of the floor above it. The outer shell and the inner core are what support the floors, and the floors are "suspended" between the two.

Like this:

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM...ar/fig5-sm.gif

But that's an impossible task.

In the 1940s we were pretty sure an attack from Japan was coming, but not where or when. In hindsight now it seems obvious, but in 1941 Hawaii was a military outpost - it was not a US state then or even a tourist destination then. It was also one of a dozen or so US military outposts in the Pacific. Don't think the US military knew it was coming and knew where the attack would be.

Likewise, we know another attack is coming. But you can't prepare for it if you don't know when, where, how, and who. In the summer of 2001 no one imagined that we could have a terrorist attack like this on US soil - even though they had already targeted the WTC before.

Thing is discussions like this can only be solved in one way due to the truthers standing by their corner till death and those who believe the government standing by their corner till death.

That way is a knife fight.

Truthers crack me up. No facts, just theory.

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Easy for you to say :) I do feel better :) except now I have 2 secret societies, 6 govt agents, 22 secret agents, 3 rich families and several other unmentionables incl the ghost of Aleister Crowley after me. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Yeah easy for you to say. :)

http://www.sqvirtual.com/img/aleistercrowley1.png

pretty hip dude old Aleister in 1906 (those eyes look like he wants to perform evil experiments) Prob f'd up on something.

Is he the (evil) grandfather of certain secret societies? Cough! cough! Free Masons. Or at least a staunch member? That is what I hear.

Edward Alexander Crowley
Born 12 October 1875(1875-10-12)
Royal Leamington Spa, Warwickshire, England

Died 1 December 1947(1947-12-01) (aged 72)
Hastings, East Sussex, England

Yearly Percentage of Nutjobs as Perceived by the Official Story Believers

2006 - 22%
2007 - 29%
2008 - 37%
2009 - 47%
2010 - 59%
2011 - 70%
Unless current propaganda techniques improve, then...
2012 - 76%
2013 - 80%

At what point will you have a reality check to see if there really are so many nutjobs around these days? Maybe it's time to listen :thumbsup

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llyio8FdNm1qdjxpm.gif

just an appropriate gif for this entire thread, from the OP to this post :2 cents:

:1orglaugh While I'm not religious or anything, this did come to mind

Revelation 9:6 NIV

During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them. :helpme

Why is it the people who think 20 third world peasants could pull off 9/11 without any help believe it would take "thousands" of people if the US Government had done it?

Now there's a good point! :thumbsup I believe they think that as that's what's pumped out in the "Debunking" Propaganda

Michael Westen did it.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/graphics...nNotice-S1.jpg

I can't stand rubberneckers on the freeway, drives me CRAZY.

The melting steel streaming down from the building was "debunked" if you want, but no one has explained the molten metal beneath the rubble and in the basements which lasted for months and was detectable by satellite view.

What would justify this stupid comment? Apart from the schoolyard name calling, you just ignore what she asks, which is completely valid.

If the official conspiracy theory is true, and the buildings collapsed due to office fires, there should be a huge investigation and re-evaluation of everything we think we know about steel constructions.

Which is hard to do since the rubble was removed immediately unlike every other plane crash and building collapse before.

So right after asking why the building construction wasn't investigated, you have to ask why was all the evidence removed before it could be inspected.

So who's the stupid bitch here?

Bureaucracy. If the government had done it there would be a load of paperwork to fill out.

Yes, agreed, and I was generalizing about the steel.

Actually the core didn't have "dozens" of columns compromised. The only part/s of the plane that could have affected the core were the engines, and nowhere near "dozens" were compromised.

Regardless, no matter how many or how the structural supports were affected, the building should not or could not have fallen symmetrically - the symmetry is the week point of any argument, especially three times in one day.


"Most likely" and other suppositions are as convincing as demolition possibles without the science, which NIST was unable to provide...

Again, "possibles" and maybes and such isn't much stronger than truther theory, and much less credible than scientific analysis of powder remain (the thermate thing).

Regardless, you can't explain the multiple symmetry of all three first-time collapse occurences that day...








This would be fin if 20-tonne pieces of the WTC towers weren't flung 600 feet away.

Also, if your pile-driver theory were valid, why would it take so little time? What you're advocating is that somehow uncompromised floors reacted the same as compromized/weakened floors, and that the whole thing could have fallen in ten seconds instead of 100 or so seconds, if it took about one second per floor as it should have if the 9already discredited0 pancake theory were valid.

Ok so the lower floors were uncompromised, even still presurrized - so why did they fall or collapse so easily?

There is in fact not really a "logical explanation" for most of what happened, without new qustions arising each and every time. What bugs me about all this is the huge amount of unanswered questions, from the building construct to the family members who have simply been ignored.

Well, back when the US was friends with the Taliban, they were needing security for the pipeline. Now with permanent bases they've gotten that security.

But Afghanistan was just a rehearsal for Iraq, and meant to look like they were hunting for bin Laden. Of course that's my conjecture and I could provide lots of links that refer to that,, but that doesn't have that much to do with the 9/11 attacks directly...

:D

stupid euro half-wit. use your brain and read.