People still buy, just ever decreasing numbers. Free is only part of the reason.

If the industry that's charging $30 a month and can't compete with what's being given away. People need to sit down and start figuring out how to convert more of what they have.

Squealers analogy was the same as many others. Stupid.

Simply saying online did for porn what the car did for transport is stupid. Yes Squealer stupid. The car improved transport for the individual and the transport industry by amounts that are mind blowing.

What has the Internet done to improve the porn industry?

It's allowed a lot more small Ma & Pa and one man bands to get into the business. The vast majority of affiliates are people working on their own from home.

It's allowed people like Dig420 to open a feeds company, to supply lots porn to paysites. http://www.extremefeeds.com/feeds.php Not sure if this is DVD porn or custom shot for his feeds or a mix. Great feed for small sites who can't afford to shoot much themselves.

It's allowed a lot of people to open sites and have small companies. 1-4 man bands, who would of never of got into porn without the Internet.

It's allowed a lot of shooters who would never of sold to offline to sell online.

Other than a handful of companies, it's become a big collection of small companies.

But what did it do for the porn product? Where was the adaptation, innovation and stretching of the whole product the Internet made possible? That offline couldn't do.

Generally speaking, the product it did nothing for. What ever porn is online, was available offline. Anyone who walked around a Berlin Venus show would of seen lot's of Micro Niche Videos for sale. There was MILF, TEENS, BIG TITS, SMALL TITS, GRANNIES, EBONY, BBW, INTER-RACIAL, GIRLS FUCKED IN VEHICLES. etc.

So what has happened to sites from 1995 to 2011?

Quality of image, speed and size. All technology and nothing done by the industry. Some sites survived and many didn't.

The biggest change in the porn business because of online porn is the need to buy. There's now no need to buy.

We went from giving a few single images away on Newsgroups. To giving small TGPs with a few pictures, to bigger ones with 20 second video clips, to 100 if not 1,000s of sites with 10,000s of scenes 60 minutes to 5 minutes.

The biggest and most effective use we made of the Internet is to make buying the product totally unnecessary. In fact we made not buying better than buying. And anyone who claimed this was the road to a fall was ridiculed, usually by people whose entire living depended on giving away more porn than the next man.

I do agree on the fact that traffic from multiple sources is vital. Also conversion rate is directly proportional to the quality of the content

giving on advice on traffic from someone who has none isnt going to convince anyone

Magic join buttons?

So what could of been done?

Well some things were so obvious and it beggars belief others didn't pick it up.

Many offline companies came into online. The list is huge. Few came over 100% Like me they used online as another level to their business. From Hustler to guys shooting shooting content. They could get extra income from online porn they were getting from offline porn.

Site owners or shooters could of sold their content to magazines or DVD companies. None did or weren't able to.

I'm sure many designers or programmers went into mainstream to not do so was limiting their market.

Generally was there more coming in from offline porn than from online into offline?

A lot of sites made a big feature of a single girl. Few could afford to employ girls exclusive like companies like Wicked and Vivid could. Which is a big fail. Robbie, SGS and others will tell you how well it works. Yet few did it.

No multi girl site did it properly and that's crazy. They just kept adding more and more girls, just piling it up.

And the Internet is the perfect medium for having girls under contract to work on the site full time. The girls are there to talk to members, do live shows for many, do them 1-1. The possibilities are there to utilize the instant access of the Internet and take it beyond a place to down load videos.

And it's easy. Members like a girl, vote for her, talk to the shooter to see if she's right for the job, get her in to do some test days. If she's good sign her up.

Surfers hit the site and see a great girl whose unique and exclusive to the site. Better than that, she's going to be online in a few hours time to see for the price of a membership. Suddenly it's not just her, there's a couple more in the site. And the CC is out on this site rather than another one. Maybe more would sign for online porn with this model. Doesn't matter to the site owner, more sign up to his site. :thumbsup

So why wasn't this done?

Cost of a girl working full time for a site I suspect is the main reason. The big talk everyone loves to spout, isn't backed up in the real world. A girl would cost around $4,000 a month. $10 profit a sign up = 400 sign ups or retained members. Just over 13 a day.

How many more surfers would join this site rather than another?

How many affiliates would rather send traffic to this site rather than another?

What if the site, which has to be big not the usual Ma & Pa operation. Cuts down on a scene a day, so rather than adding 3 - 5 scenes a day they add 2-4? They have enough content already and now they have a real live girl. The scene can be recorded and added to the site at little cost.

To me, if my business was paysites and we were the size we were in 2005/6 it would of been a no brainer, assuming we could find English speaking girls in 2005 and we approached a few sponsors to do live scenes as a feed.

Content production is our game, not paysites. Before you shoot down this entire post on that last sentence. Tell us why you wouldn't send traffic to a site with live girls on or why you wouldn't do it if your main business is or was paysites?

Today recorded porn is free everywhere and easier and better than buying. Yet we still all seem to be stuck trying to sell recorded porn. Where's the adaptation?

Did you read what I was giving advice on?

Yeah, you have been lying to people and trying to make people believe you are making great money off your porn and what you've shot over the years. Thats been a big part of how you give yourself credibility... by letting people know you are so successful and great at what you do. The fact is, as i've pointed out many times is that you are not and NEVER have seen any real success in this business.

As i've been saying, you are just a broke loser. You proved that today by letting us all know that you make $5,000.00 per month or more from pensions and government compensation and that your porn/content income is almost nothing as a part of your total income.

You've already came here to beg for money and you've made it clear your wife has to work another job in spite of the both of you being the best shooters alive and armed with the "fact" that content is king.

You've already tipped your hand publicly Paul and confirmed you are barely in the porn business at all and the last 34 years in porn has amounted to what? 1000.00 - 2000.00 a month in income for you (surely an exaggeration since you lie compulsively)?

Maybe it's time you just shut the fuck up and stop telling people how to make money when you clearly don't know how to? Maybe you should stop telling Brazzers how fucked up they are when you can't even scrape together a couple thousand dollars a month after 34 years doing what they've been doing for a fraction of that time and managed to build a 9 figure empire?

Just sayin'

:2 cents:

While you don't tell anyone how little you're worth. :1orglaugh

I told you one income flow. From that you made it $5,000? Or what.

$4,000 is from the invalid benefit, the next up the ladder is from the sites, the top are my private pensions. Have you any idea what 30 years worth of pension with 4 companies are worth?

All this while retired. :thumbsup

You came to our studio which I think was then 2,000 sq ft, met all the staff and Eva, did you meet the Nanny looking after our daughter? I was clearly not having to kiss you ass to get what you had to offer.

You saw all that, saw the quality of the content and still chose to spend the day with a guy you had no intention of doing business with.

And you think because we didn't have 2 big flash cars and a big flash home, we're broke. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I didn't think you were worth taking to a restaurant for a meal, so gave you pasta at home, then turned on the TV and still you think I needed you. You're a joke. :1orglaugh

Maybe you should shut the fuck up, as you're a loser and stop giving advice to me.Or show us what you do and worth. I suspect you work from home and another loser troll.

I had best put you on my troll list.

Can I haz a design order to redo your '95 ish thing http://www.paulmarkhamcash.com ?

Except in paul's case it's the other way around ;)

Paul, all you do is lecture with a condescending and arrogant tone about things you know absolutely nothing about.

You just outed yourself in this thread again for being broke business wise. You just admitted you don't even have the money from revenue to pay for a 2000 sq foot studio. You just admitted your sites don't make money. You just admitted you make barely anything from content sales.

I was in Brno the first time to meet you in 2004. That was the same time of your "content blowout" , me too bullshit. Your content business was in obvious rapid decline. You were already in financial trouble at the time. You already saw the writing on the wall and knew you were not going to continue to be competitive in online content sales. You were trying to start tgps and paysites and doing all kinds of crap to make money including your totally insane plot to rent out your studio to production companies for many $1000's a day, which looked like an ill equipped and filthy, ghetto, secondhand IKEA showroom.

It was not too long after that when you came to this board begging for money. Not too long after that, you admitted Eva was also forced to work to make ends meet just so you guys can survive. So yeah, you had a couple girls working for you. I had 100's working 24/7 in 3 10,000sq ft plus offices. Big fucking deal. I don't anymore and you don't anymore. Business changed, the business models changed and I got out of what I was doing and focused my efforts elsewhere to make money. You on the other hand decided to try to continue this retarded ruse of lecturing people as you're some sort of successful expert on a business that changes rapidly and that has so clearly left you in the past.

So... not too sure what your supposed "nanny" in 2004 has to do with anything. In case you haven't noticed you delirious old fuck, this is 2011. You are lecturing people on success in 2011. You are doing it while leading people to believe YOU are successful in 2011 with repeated references to living on content sales and doing well. Now we see you are actually living off of 1 or 2 governments and not porn. SHOCKER!

You can keep bringing up your interpretation of me going there to meet you. The fact is, I called you out for being a fake, delusional douche bag pretending to be successful after all these years and your response was to call me a liar and denied i ever met you or that we knew each other, because you felt that was a safe stance, until I started posting pics as proof. You denied ever meeting me, you denied every aspect of it. Even though it was super clear to you that I wasn't lying being that I was describing the inside of your own home to do. You decided to roll the dice and keep lying until I posted pics.

That's exactly how full of shit you are.

Furthermore, I do what I do. My income since I was 20 has rarely dipped below 6 figures. I've never been good with money and never tried to be good. I try to use it to enjoy life, travel and have fun. I haven't amassed a large amount of wealth and don't claim to have. From adult over the years my income has ranged in porn from 6 figures a month, to 5, to 4 and back. I've made millions. I've risked millions. I've lost millions as well. It's never been static. I've made and lost more than you will ever see in 10 lifetimes. I've never really bragged about making money on here that I can recall.

Also, I am not a gfy "bro" clinging to the past or trying to keep impressing people with bullshit claims of continued success and fortune. You've done far more of that than I ever could. I don't pretend to be super wealthy from porn. BUT, (and this is an important distinction between you and me), i also don't come here and lecture the most successful people on how to conduct their business and make money as I understand how retarded that is. I don't do that anymore than I lecture NASA on how to travel to Mars. You however, spend your free time doing just that. You are too delusional, insane and demented to even understand how delusional, insane and demented you are.

The only reason I even pay any attention at all to this board and people on it and the biz is because I have sites that still passively make more money than you do.


:2 cents:

How much? Best be cheap because I'm running down the business.

I suppose I had best explain again for those who don't catch on. Getting traffic is easy. Traffic sellers will sells 100,000s of uniques very cheap. So for them it has to be easy, and if you can afford it for anyone else it's cheap.

Yes it's shit traffic, which is why they're selling it cheap.

Same applies to content. Good stuff costs a lot, because it's worth a lot.

So getting traffic is easy.

Getting very very good traffic is hard and getting harder. Getting average traffic requires a lot of traffic. A simple rule is. The the easier the traffic the harder the sale.

So the "No traffic" argument falls flat on it's face. Open a paysite, email traffic sellers and before you know the site's getting 1,000s of hits. No sales, just 1,000s of hits.

Similar goes for a Tube site, WarChild says he converts at around 1-500 off a Tube site. That's 499 saying no, which IMO makes it crap traffic. What he won't tell us is how many people are satisfied with his free porn, before 1 clicks a banner and how hard he has to work to get the initial traffic. Does it mostly come from SE or traffic guys? Probably a mix.

Traffic is easy to get, getting sales is the tough part. Getting enough traffic to make sales is also tough. Which I never claimed was easy.

Now if a non traffic guy knows this, why don't all the trolls? :1orglaugh

That was a joke trolls. :thumbsup

so clueless. just stop.

True, so I turned it around. All I need is enough rats to name after the trolls who follow me. No not rats, little mice. :1orglaugh

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/piedpiper.jpg

Now we have a koshered mouse. :1orglaugh

Yes of course you do.

Call the exterminator.

God, you're a moron. If this was so easy your paulmarkhamteens.com would be on par with met-art by now and robbie was playing golf with Warren Buffett. But its not.

You generate 2k or less a month in sales. That's not a huge task Paul. It's a pathetic thing to admit that you've been doing something for 34 years and are failing miserably at it.

There is only one person in this biz that I ever show sites/stats to and that is Sly. You can ask him, he's well known for being a stand up guy. Otherwise, shut the fuck up and know your place. You are officially nobody in 2011. You are a has been. You are a failure. You keep pretending otherwise, which is why you are now the joke we tell at parties.

complete waste of time - Im embarrased I ever got sucked down to his level of ignorance

I'm amazed at how unproductive some people waste their time here...

You have all been Markham'ed.

I understand that the guy is full of contradictions and reach sometimes new levels of pathetic, so that any good soul can't leave the poor ederly man alone in the dark. But, please stop. I hate it when his threads always bump to the top.

You're still not getting it.

Getting shit traffic is eas6y, traffic guys will sell tons of it. Getting average traffic isn't hard, getting great traffic is hard, still can be done.

The problem is the amount of traffic required to get a person interested in porn to buy porn. And to make a living.

Made it bold so you can get it.

After 12-13 years of feeding surfers with free porn, the vast majority have learned not to buy. That's the biggest success online porn can claim.


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Trolls keep my threads going with their pointless posts. We're on the third page now.

Get back to work, you need to feed your Tube with more free content to get 1,000s of surfers for one to buy.

Don't you read how hard it is to get 1,000s of surfers (TRAFFIC) so 1 will buy. :1orglaugh

Or is it so easy you can troll here?

I see that you have made the choice not to answer my questions...so be it.

People come here to troll, they are not going to read all of that.

Its not just amount, its also quality you old goat. If I build a network of sites that target "Amputee midget lesbians" freaks and get 500 unique hits from those guys, I would make a lot more $$$ that you with your crappy and over saturated "teens" + traffic from freebie boards and tubes.
What do you know about traffic anyway?

Corrected a typo there, mate.

paul markham = broke troll

Paul, what you come up with makes sense to producers, but your preaching to the wrong audience here because most are webmasters who don't produce their content but get it from their sponsors. (or they just grab it from other sites).

If you are a producer you need to make relatively more profit because you have higher costs. Webmasters hardly have any costs. They need a server and the book html for dummies and that's about it. Us producers need a studio, models, flights, equipment, etc etc.

For a webmaster to get proper sales, he needs traffic and good material. For us producers to get proper sales, we need traffic, and we need to PRODUCE good material.

A webmaster can be happy with 10,000 hits per day, and 2 sign-ups. He'll be making profit that day.

A producer needs at least 10 sign-ups a day to keep going and 20 sign-ups a day to continue growing.

The way I see it is, that producers don't only need traffic, but also quality, unique material. As for the rapidshare problem:

Producers need to protect their content. The following things are already done by some of us:

1) Stop the sharing of passwords completely using proper scripts. Most content theft is done through shared passwords, because content thieves make it a sport not to pay for anything. They will hardly ever pull their credit cards, download your content, and upload it to Rapidshare. It happens but not a large scale. I'm now using scripts that make sharing of passwords by two or more people impossible. (anything interested in this message me)

2) Embed user-ID in downloaded file and/or use watermarking technology to put user ID inside video-footage. If you find your footage on Rapidshare you download it, then you know which of your members is uploading your content, and you ban him to avoid further damage.

3) Use a service like removeyourcontent.com to have your content removed from Rapidshare, torrents etc

4) Some ban access to their sites from countries like Russia and Ukraine and proxy servers completely. I'm not doing this because I get a few Russian paying members from time to time and haven't caught them uploading my content yet. In my member sections usage of proxy servers is not possible though.

If all producers would start using these methods today, things would get very difficult for the Rapidshare, PayPal and torrent mafia.

I joined this site recently and when I log-in it says "where the industry meets" but when seeing comments from "people" like you with their ten-thousands of posts done in few years time I really think that maybe this is "where the chat addicted losers meet".

Is this "the industry"? That's pretty sad then.

If you dislike Paul so much then why do you read them? Don't you have a production company to run?

Are you the industry ? you whining little french faggot.

maybe you think that whining pom paul is the industry?

maybe you think someone gives a fuck ?

in future address your questions to paul, he's the oracle of gfy

I don't think that succesfull producers have a lot of time and energy for participating on forums like this. I'm sure every succesfull producer would agree. So maybe the more posts someone has, the less likely he's really a somebody in the industry.

You clearly don't know shit about traffic OR making a living as an affiliate.

No wonder you think PM is a god.

You call me a whiner after you posted 17,000 posts with whining in here? I'm Dutch and I'm open for anything positive and constructive whether it comes from you or Paul or anybody else.

Correct. I'm a producer/sponsor and know nothing about being an affiliate. Teach me, I'm open for anything positive and constructive. Tell me what's like and I tell you what's it's like being a producer.

I think he's a human being and should be treated that way.

shows how much of a n00b you are. :2 cents:

its nice paul has a new little friend though, im kinda aroused

can i suggest a three way reach around to celebrate ?!

We care about what its like to be a producer as much as a restaurant owner cares what its like to farm potatos.
:2 cents:

:1orglaugh Oh man this is rich. Markham TRUMPS all of you people feverishly posting to diss the guy...

He's got another 3 page 1000 plus view post mainly because are you are all magically drawn into his rants about the biz just waiting to blast him at every turn :1orglaugh

If i really gave two shits i would sponsor a clinicial study of "The Markham Effect" because there sure as hell is one :1orglaugh

Wait a second, I'm posting in this thread WTF...can't stop...from...hitting..enter...

Ok. I am still curious about the webmaster's side of the story and I'm sure one day one with a bit of social skills will tell me.