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ArsewithClass 09-29-2011 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 18455741)
I too complain when others fail to meet my low standards ...

:1orglaugh

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Originally Posted by Doug of Montreal (Post 18455505)
Ah Cherry! And I had thought our half-hour discussion on this in London over the weekend would have softened the blow! (okay, i knew there was no chance in hell you were going to understand what I was telling you, but I gave it the ole college try)

At any rate, this is a much better idea of what the competition is doing out there. If it surprises you, you should probably give your head a shake. I know you said you are a production guy. It doesn't surprise me that you're surprised by all of this. This industry is changing. Our criteria is changing as a result. Adapt or... :)

We'd make a lot more money if that was the case. It's just not so at our shop. :)

Doug, I know your review site gives very worthy reviews... I was told which niche our sites were rather than placing them where I felt best.
You're choices were more for the review & the surfer than for the sale :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 18456098)
Review sites are worthless just wankers wanting free porn a real review site will pay just like a customer, then you know its legit and not playing favorites

Free porn??? they click porn & check a load of tubes :2 cents:

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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18456172)
As when I met you, you are ignoring the points I made.
Is the quality of video just the bit-rate at which it is encoded ?
No, it is the sum of many factors, as can be seen in professional film production.
What does it matter what the competition is doing?
A real review site would take all factors of quality into account.
The more effort a producer makes the lower you score them.
This does a disservice to the punter and the industry.
That fact that 8000+ bit-rate movies won't play on most computers makes the scoring just mad.

I agree that all the points that you have made about the review of content from a website should be taken into account. However, if a producer puts his heart & sole into their productions, it's not the main factor considering it could be a great scene, yet cant be enjoyed if it's been encoded low... as a positive note, why not encode your new footage or encode your older footage in higher rates? Then you would get the best of both worlds :thumbsup


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Originally Posted by bjlover (Post 18456285)
It wouldn't matter what bit rate you used, you would still be showing some of the, if not the, worst porn (well what you think is porn, but punters don't) anyway
Rabbits is a private business, they owe you nothing. If you don't like what they say, don't do business with them.

simple :2 cents:

What does it matter what you think!? You chat crap & obviously are a troll with a second name on GFY, and heres betting you own very lousy sites & content yourself! :2 cents:

Get that sig removed, its the ban hammer for you, considering all my models have always been paid! :)

ArsewithClass 09-29-2011 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18458675)
So, your options are:

1) Shut up
2) Ask for your review to be removed

1) negative
2) negative
3) encode the footage in a higher bit rate & ask for another review....

From past experience with RR. I would have thought Doug would be happy to get his team to review the website again.

For an advertising guru, you are a negative mother focker :2 cents:

Tempest 09-29-2011 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug of Montreal (Post 18458359)
And here's a brief list of the "moronic" companies offering fantastic quality videos:

21 Sextury Cash
Blazing Bucks
DDF Cash
FTV Cash
Hard Glam Cash
HDV Bucks
Jugg Cash
Met Art Money
Mofos Cash
Nasty Dollars
Naughty America
OT Cash
Payserve
Twistys Cash
Ztod


And a lot of these "morons" are encoding 10k+. I'd argue that these are some of the most experienced companies online. You don't think they know what they're doing?? :)

Actually.. I know for a fact some of those companies don't know what they're doing by encoding to really high bit rates. They're just doing it because they "think" it should be done and because they see others doing it or because their video guys says it would be cool to do it... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

There's a lot of reasons that conversion rates, retention etc has dropped over the last few years and one of them is because companies have moved to catering to those with high end systems instead of going after the mass consumer. This is just another example of that. The US has been the prime market for everyone. But with the shit that's gone down with credit over the last few years, there's just not as many buying porn or that can afford the internet connections or computer systems to actually buy it. Emerging markets is where the future will be and those guys just won't have the systems to play a lot of the vids.

I look at it this way... Porn is about volume. Youtube is a volume video provider. They cater the masses as porn should. They don't encode videos to high bit rates so that practically anyone can watch the vids. The rise of the tube site should prove this point to anyone. Porn surfers don't really give a shit about high quality porn. They want to be able to view a lot of it to find just the right ones to get themselves off. A very small percentage of the surfers care about quality so why put so much time, money and effort into catering to them... Deliver to the masses and everyone will make a lot more money again.

Tempest 09-29-2011 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug of Montreal (Post 18458514)
but it's interesting that he says your video quality isn't up to snuff.

He didn't complain about the video quality. He was complaining that what was advertised was not what was delivered. Big difference. Porn surfers aren't going to buy a membership because you have HD video. If they have a choice between a couple sites then that might be a factor. Porn consumers buy memberships because a site has the video(s) that they're interested in watching. Beyond that, everything else is just a bonus.

Kenny B! 09-30-2011 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18459834)
He didn't complain about the video quality. He was complaining that what was advertised was not what was delivered. Big difference. Porn surfers aren't going to buy a membership because you have HD video. If they have a choice between a couple sites then that might be a factor. Porn consumers buy memberships because a site has the video(s) that they're interested in watching. Beyond that, everything else is just a bonus.

Very well said!

CaptainHowdy 09-30-2011 06:40 AM

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bjlover 09-30-2011 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass (Post 18459774)
Get that sig removed, its the ban hammer for you, considering all my models have always been paid!



Shouldn't you be cleaning spunk from that rancid ugly cheap bare back hookers cunt?

I bet it stinks in there :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Doug of Montreal 09-30-2011 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18459623)
And Doug, nice to see you are giving streaming the same weight as download now. I remember doing a thread like 2 years ago asking why that isn't the case and at that time everyone still said that download is the only thing surfers want. :thumbsup

My friend, it was so good meeting you and getting to hang for a while! And I know - the streaming was a long time coming. It wasn't such a big deal in 2003. And in another eight to ten years, we'll need another retool.

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass (Post 18459771)
Doug, I know your review site gives very worthy reviews... I was told which niche our sites were rather than placing them where I felt best. You're choices were more for the review & the surfer than for the sale :thumbsup

Cheers! I was disappointed I didn't see you in London this past weekend. It would have been nice to chat in person. ;)

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18459817)
There's a lot of reasons that conversion rates, retention etc has dropped over the last few years and one of them is because companies have moved to catering to those with high end systems instead of going after the mass consumer. This is just another example of that. The US has been the prime market for everyone. But with the shit that's gone down with credit over the last few years, there's just not as many buying porn or that can afford the internet connections or computer systems to actually buy it. Emerging markets is where the future will be and those guys just won't have the systems to play a lot of the vids.

I look at it this way... Porn is about volume. Youtube is a volume video provider. They cater the masses as porn should. They don't encode videos to high bit rates so that practically anyone can watch the vids. The rise of the tube site should prove this point to anyone. Porn surfers don't really give a shit about high quality porn. They want to be able to view a lot of it to find just the right ones to get themselves off. A very small percentage of the surfers care about quality so why put so much time, money and effort into catering to them... Deliver to the masses and everyone will make a lot more money again.

I agree that emerging markets are going to hold a lot of wealth in the years to come and that they will want and be happy with what we were happy with eight years ago as far as file sizes and video quality. That's not our market, though.

And YouTube now has HD vids available. Any thought that they've been serving up lower quality vids has more to do with the fact that they run a free site than them trying to serve the desires of the public. People don't want tube-quality content. They just love it because it's the best free content they can get and it's not a killer on bandwidth. It will be different in ten years. People will love and expect better quality tube vids. It's the natural progression of things.

The people we serve at Rabbits are those that want to pay for premium content. Show them tube grade (as long as it isn't really niche & hard to find) and they won't be satisfied.

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18459834)
He didn't complain about the video quality. He was complaining that what was advertised was not what was delivered. Big difference. Porn surfers aren't going to buy a membership because you have HD video. If they have a choice between a couple sites then that might be a factor. Porn consumers buy memberships because a site has the video(s) that they're interested in watching. Beyond that, everything else is just a bonus.

You're right. It wasn't a out-and-out complaint about quality, but he did write and ask about the 1080. He knew what he was after and knew he wasn't getting it. People want quality. They recognize it. If they didn't, we wouldn't be in business.

Cherry7 10-03-2011 11:16 AM

Several posts have raised the point the Rabbit Reviews is a private company, but private companies have responsibilities to both the audience they claim to be offering fair reviews and to their sponsors who have the right to have their sites fairly accessed.

By using confusing, misleading and inaccurate rating system that distorts the results they misinform their clients.

For example defining video quality only in terms of bit rate and not the other numerous factors that effect visual quality.

The suspicion must be that this is done just to promote the few sponsors that appear on the first page of their website.

As your review does not present a truthful picture of our website we have stopped your affiliate account and ask your to remove the review of our site.


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