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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ
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I didn't say that, but in part you're also way wrong. Of course he's not going to be protected by the US, but can be (see below) extradited/charged. But will suffer the same "penalties". Meaning, here is a case of an American gun dealer who forgot to take his ammunition out of his truck and caught a Mexican felony that went on his record in the US. He's not allowed to own a firearm for a crime he did not commit in the US. He went all the way to the Supreme Court and lost. Also, if you care to look, many American drug dealers, especially in Thailand who've been caught, catch the same felony conviction penalties on their record when they get State side.
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This case is interesting but proves my point. He was never arrested in the US, and was never charged in the US. He was transferred to a US prison because of a US / Mexican treaty that allows US citizens to serve out their Mexican prison terms in the US. He lost his firearms permit because the government decided his actions were careless. But he was never arrested and was never charged in the US.
And by the way, he did in fact violate US law when he brought firearms and weapons across the border.
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ
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You're absolutely wrong on this. If you have sex with a minor in a foreign country you broke the law and will be catch the same penalties if it was intentional, or not.
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He was not charged with molesting a child.
He was charged with one count of "traveling overseas to engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor". What he did outside of the US the US cannot charge him for, but the act of leaving the country with the intention of committing a sex crime is a crime that took place in the US.
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ
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You are totally wrong on this one, you fail to understand "US" international laws. Like John Walker who never fired a shot at an American soldier, but was there fighting against the Afghan Northern Alliance and caught a 20 year sentence in the states because of it.
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He was charged with 'Conspiracy to murder US citizens or US nationals" - which was a crime committed on US soil when he left the country with the intention of joining a terrorist organization with the intention of killing Americans.
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ
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Just because a Government brands you anything, should be irrelevant unless it's proven in a court of law. What they just proved, for me anyway, constitutional laws mean nothing. We are not citizens, but mere subjects that have only a facade of true liberty.
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Your confusing the American right to due process with a military operation. On American soil, United States citizens have certain rights. Outside of the United States, these rights do not exist.
Outside of the United States, the US military operates under it's own rules and guidelines. For example, in the US it's illegal to shoot and kill someone. However, the US military does this on a daily basis in foreign countries.
The CIA operates under no laws at all, just by the nature of what the CIA is. When the CIA operates in France, US law doesn't apply, and clearly the CIA is not concerned about breaking French law. If your an American citizen in France, the CIA can tap your phone and read your mail all they want - no warrants needed.
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ
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I'll paint a possible scenario for you. $14.5 trillion dollars are owed as we know our senate and congress are corrupted by lobbyists, as our President proves to be almost useless. As we go deeper into debt, our debt holders are going to want their money because we're all in one big symbiotic economy that's taking a giant shit right now.
This will cause a rise in taxes, especially State taxes due to lack of Federal funding, like what Greece is going through right now. More homes or property will be foreclosed on as the weak hope things get better as the true American wake up and finally see it's all corruption and lies and go proactive.
There will be mass protest in the streets as the cops beat the shit out of us and arrest us for exercising our rights to a deaf court/prisons system not wanting to lose their funding/jobs as they increase jail time/fines causing more unemployment and property liquidation.
True core Americans will have enough and raise up, and at that very moment, you've just been branded a "terrorist" and legally allowed to be killed regardless if you're a citizen or not.
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Yes, if you rise up against the government you are branded a terrorist. But here in the United States, the laws will still apply and you will go to trial. If you are arrested for being a terrorist in the United States, you would still have rights. But if your arrested in a foreign country for being a terrorist, you have no rights under American law.
