American start ups don't go overseas to start up.
successful companies are the ones everyone is railing about taking jobs and money overseas and that is really about taxes and regulation.
as I've said before, you want GE, Google, etc to keep their jobs and business in the US, make the corp. tax rate zero. Remove their reason for leaving. The difference between skilled labor in the US and skilled labor somewhere else isn't as large as you imagine. unskilled, sure but do we really want to fight for unskilled jobs?

They don't go over seas, but they have to compete with cheap Chinese imports. This is the same as sending the jobs over seas, because if you can't start the biz, here in the US and compete with products from China then the jobs are not created in the US and are still in China.

As far as taxes go.. you want 0% taxes but who do you plan to have paying for the govt? You think the guy working at Google or GE should have to pay 100% of the tax burden? Should that guy working at ZXY inc making 10.hr not on welfare but trying to scrape by should pay 100% of the taxes while Google & GE pays none?

Is that really fair?

You aren't from America are you??
They aren't protesting.. They are exercising their 1st Amendment rights..

You don't need a valid reason to protest.. You just do it. Cause you can..
That's why its great here. And that's what they are doing. Anyone can do it. You don't really need a reason just do it cause you can and cause its fun and cause its fucking American.

With that said I should go out there cause my stocks are down 10%..
Fucking rich people.

I don't want 0% taxes. I like taxes. Taxes are good. They help form our society and make it great. But I do agree the guy working at google or GE should have to pay the tax burden yes. Same with the guy making 10 bucks an hour.. Everyone should.

Only I with my awesome write offs and loopholes should not have to pay.
I think its fair.. I create jobs. Granted they aren't in the USA but people outside the USA are people too and I use my money for good things. Like my cars, expensive doors for my home, and trips.

I think its owed to me for the 4 hours a week of work I actually do.

So yes, it is fair. Ill put a 20 in the salvation army can during christmas so before you speak or judge me don't.

All Hail Boneprone :bowdown:bowdown

you're clueless, son.
you have no understanding of economics and what a zero % corp. tax rate would do for this country and its jobs.

US corporate tax rate is 35%.. corporate tax rate in China is 25%. With no tax loop holes involved which allows them to pay less than 35% in the US do you really think companies are moving to China to pay 10% less in taxes..

...or do you think they are moving to China to avoid paying 10-20/hr in wages plus SS, workers comp, benefits ect vs 75 cents hr. Think.. "son"..

if corps should get 0% tax rate than so should any and all businesses. If corps can't survive and be taxed then surely the small business person won't be able to either.

:thumbsup

Poor people generally don't need anyone else to "keep them down", they keep themselves down.

It's not that hard to incorporate... lol

Unfortunately Barry, the stuff I hear the protestors saying, sounds just like the kind of thing that is said prior to a revolution leading to a totalitarian regime. :disgust You even have some people advocating the use of "reeducation camps" and beheading for "rich people".


People never seem to learn from history what this kind of "eat the rich" mentality always leads too....


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US companies are not moving to china.
you're clueless once more.

its not about "corps surviving" dopey, its about the US competing in the global economy for jobs and businesses.

depends on your perspective.. I've done steady investing over the years and have done fairly well with that. When the markets dip I buy more, when they go back up I buy less, numbers go up exponentially with that it seems. (keep in mind i am not a big investor, i'm talking about a modest amount here.)

Anyone getting brutalized in the markets, from what I can tell, are the ones looking on short term gains, I wouldn't even know where to start on making money that way so I avoid it.

If someone who knows as little about investing as I do can do it why can't the rest of us?

You can't make money on investments if you don't have anything to invest to begin with. You won't get anything to invest, if you grow up in poor conditions with no chance of getting an education, or if are one of the lucky ones and do manage to get an education you get it with a huge debt to go with it and no need for the education in society when you're done with it. So you'll get a low paying job and a huge load to pay. Getting anything to invest is at the bottom of the list of your priorities.

The american society is moving in a direction where you have the odds of succeeding in life more and more stacked against you from the beginning.

Yeah just ask Obama!

The people in control most especially need to remember their history.

Historically the difference between places such as the USA, UK, Canada and so on and places like 1789 France, 1917 Russia and Weimar Germany isn't about democracy. Weimar Germany was democratic after all.

It's about having or not having a viable middle class.

Come on folks this isn't rocket science.

When the bulk of any countries populace consists of reasonably content, albeit sometimes overworked, people the power structure need fear nothing.

Decimate that middle class and all bets are off.

http://web.me.com/bkmarcus/bkmarcus/...Guillotine.jpg

go tell that to all those "rich" people who'll be buying the iphone 5:1orglaugh

hippies->hipsters.

With that logic Birmingham Alabama should be corporate capital of the country, yet corporations stay in NYC where the corporate tax rate is more than double.

true, yet have you ever seen all the corporate headquarters there are in phoenix?
If the US (NYC) were only competing with Somalia (birmingham) you'd have a point. However, there are many other countries (phoenix) luring away business and jobs.
get it?

If the stuff below is in any way representative of their goals then it is quite clear that they are just pure bat-shit crazy.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/propos...all-st-moveme/

The bankers have thousands of these smelly communist/anarchist/ruckus raisers on call. They are sucking in the rest of society as well. This Occupy Wall St protest is just controlled opposition. Also the Anonymous hacker group is just another false flag/psy op.

well corps are always saying they will have to lay off x amount of people because of taxes, so it would seem if they have to lay off to stay competitive that is 'surviving'. regardless even if there were zero corporate taxes you will never be able to compete with third world labor wages.

I'm cool with demands 1,2,6,8 and perhaps 7.

Admittedly, the other ones are a little out there :upsidedow

No offense man, but are you like hearing voices in your head of what?

How are your investments doing? Check back in 2 months.:2 cents:

That list of demands are typical of people that don't understand how an economy works, don't realize that it would collapse, along with all the development of new gadgets that they are all so in love with, and also don't seem to realize that the only way to carry out those demands is to put a totalitarian systems into place. Then they will all be left wondering what happened... (unless of course they work themselves into the new polit-bureau and are on the top of the heap, then they will enjoy the needed privileges that come with power while doling out scraps to the rest of us, all at the end of a gun)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UplKYLDawBw

Clearly some of those demands are utopian at best (if not downright bizarre) while a few of the others are a tad contentious.

But I for one don't see how meeting demands 2, 4, 6 and 8 couldn't help but to result in a better environment for commerce and society alike.

Somehow I don't think that those kids marching around in NY are hurting them any.

I noticed you

what he said.

This is a leaderless movement, everyone with an internet connection is free to put forward their ideas.

Which ones are actually acted on is a different matter. The true core of the group will ultimately be responsible for the direction and which demands are carried out. The internet will be the worlds fourm for this decision making progress. This is happening right now.

IMO these people have the interest of the country in mind far more than our current "leaders".

This is much more than teenagers who 'don't understand the system' yelling in the street. They understand what's happening just fine, that is why they are there.

Check your calander, it's time for a revolution.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BS3QOtbW4m0

Btw, in reference to this persons suggestions: http://occupywallst.org/forum/propos...all-st-moveme/

If you read the comments, you'll see this list has been shot down by most people (for obvious reasons).

This is a more reasonable list (still a work in progress of course): http://occupywallst.org/forum/detail...tactics-for-d/

I'll say it again, for every loser out there shouting about wealth inequity, there's someone else out working and making themselves rich.

It's not impossible to do both..

Exactly my point. This protest was started by controlled opposition. Now it is being egged on by false flag/psy op group Anonymous and puppets like bloated Michael Moore and castrated talking heads like Keith Oberman. This "uprising" will not hurt the bankers at the top one bit. The people who have something to fear are upper middle class people because when shit hits the fan the food stamp zombies will be visiting nicer neighborhoods to rob rape and pillage. To them anyone with a nice car and big house is "rich". Class warfare and racial unrest = divide and conquer. This will just give more power to the financiers/bankers at the top. When the crash comes it will happen on the financier's/banker's own terms and they will be positioned to make even more money.

You see no problem with this?

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesam...h/Figure_1.gif

Is there any opposition figure out there that you consider to be both worthwhile and credible?

Exactly THE point and Exactly right. :thumbsup

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have no interest in confiscating anyone's honest (or even half honest) wealth.

But I'd sure like to see those shysters who got rich tanking the economy four years ago tossed into a cold dark cell for a very, very, verrrry long time.

The problem with forming real opposition is that the current crop of Americans are the dumbest group of complete asses to ever walk this earth. They can be manipulated to do and believe just about anything. Therefore if you were to form a group and recruit widespread support among the masses the financiers/bankers/elites would find a way to turn the rest of the zombies against you. So my advice would be to try to work with the new system instead of resisting in any way. This country was sold out 100 years ago by puppets like Woodrow Wilson. It's over.

In the first place *******, you have not a clue as to what you are talking about.
You are in denial because you refuse to believe such an uprising could take place, so it is safe for you to deny it and imply that it is somehow "controlled opposition."

What are you going to suggest next? The Illuminati are using haarp to control the protestors;)

In real news, Bernanke said today that the recovery is "close to faltering"
http://news.yahoo.com/bernanke-warns...214911972.html

and when questioned about the wall street protestors he said-
"I think people are quite unhappy with the state of the economy and what's happening. They blame, with some justification, the problems in the financial sector for getting us into this mess. And they're dissatisfied with the policy response here in Washington. And at some level, I can't blame them."

https://youtube.com/watch?v=e4wtkZL_fY0

1. First of all I hardly know anything about "HARP" except for the fact this is the second time you have brought it up so it seems you are the one who is obsessed with it. I think I have heard a few nutjobs talk about HARP so why don't you find those nutjobs and then you can have one big nutjob festival.

2. Are you a woman? I am just asking because your irrational scatter-brained response hints of a feminine author.

3. I am actually on the side of the bankers/financiers at this point. I began to study them when I was just a kid over 20 years ago. I began making some financial moves based on the fact I knew they were manipulating public opinion, politicians, and financial markets. Even though I am not "rich" I have made a nice sum of money trying to predict what they would do next. I am in awe of what they have accomplished and as a believer in "might makes right". I don't see why the 99% should get what they want since the financiers/bankers have worked their asses off while the masses sat on their asses, got fat, dumbed themselves down with endless hours of TV, lived the high life on home equity loans, etc.

4. Are the bankers/financiers/elites total psychopaths? Of course they are but they also possess something called an "intellect". I would rather attend a party full of criminal psychopaths than one full of braindead Fox News/CNN/History Channel watching turds any day.

*******, are you holding any investments right now?

You sound desperate to believe this whole thing isn't happening. Clearly you have something on the line.

I'm sorry to tell you, but this is not a "controlled opposition". It's happening, and for most people (including you, probably.. ) the types of changes they are pushing for would actually help you.

Now all I can think about is HARP...

http://beer-ligion.com/wp-content/up...er-206x300.png

...and I'm out of beer. Dammit!