https://youtube.com/watch?v=UplKYLDawBw

Clearly some of those demands are utopian at best (if not downright bizarre) while a few of the others are a tad contentious.

But I for one don't see how meeting demands 2, 4, 6 and 8 couldn't help but to result in a better environment for commerce and society alike.

Somehow I don't think that those kids marching around in NY are hurting them any.

I noticed you

what he said.

This is a leaderless movement, everyone with an internet connection is free to put forward their ideas.

Which ones are actually acted on is a different matter. The true core of the group will ultimately be responsible for the direction and which demands are carried out. The internet will be the worlds fourm for this decision making progress. This is happening right now.

IMO these people have the interest of the country in mind far more than our current "leaders".

This is much more than teenagers who 'don't understand the system' yelling in the street. They understand what's happening just fine, that is why they are there.

Check your calander, it's time for a revolution.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BS3QOtbW4m0

Btw, in reference to this persons suggestions: http://occupywallst.org/forum/propos...all-st-moveme/

If you read the comments, you'll see this list has been shot down by most people (for obvious reasons).

This is a more reasonable list (still a work in progress of course): http://occupywallst.org/forum/detail...tactics-for-d/

I'll say it again, for every loser out there shouting about wealth inequity, there's someone else out working and making themselves rich.

It's not impossible to do both..

Exactly my point. This protest was started by controlled opposition. Now it is being egged on by false flag/psy op group Anonymous and puppets like bloated Michael Moore and castrated talking heads like Keith Oberman. This "uprising" will not hurt the bankers at the top one bit. The people who have something to fear are upper middle class people because when shit hits the fan the food stamp zombies will be visiting nicer neighborhoods to rob rape and pillage. To them anyone with a nice car and big house is "rich". Class warfare and racial unrest = divide and conquer. This will just give more power to the financiers/bankers at the top. When the crash comes it will happen on the financier's/banker's own terms and they will be positioned to make even more money.

You see no problem with this?

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesam...h/Figure_1.gif

Is there any opposition figure out there that you consider to be both worthwhile and credible?

Exactly THE point and Exactly right. :thumbsup

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have no interest in confiscating anyone's honest (or even half honest) wealth.

But I'd sure like to see those shysters who got rich tanking the economy four years ago tossed into a cold dark cell for a very, very, verrrry long time.

The problem with forming real opposition is that the current crop of Americans are the dumbest group of complete asses to ever walk this earth. They can be manipulated to do and believe just about anything. Therefore if you were to form a group and recruit widespread support among the masses the financiers/bankers/elites would find a way to turn the rest of the zombies against you. So my advice would be to try to work with the new system instead of resisting in any way. This country was sold out 100 years ago by puppets like Woodrow Wilson. It's over.

In the first place *******, you have not a clue as to what you are talking about.
You are in denial because you refuse to believe such an uprising could take place, so it is safe for you to deny it and imply that it is somehow "controlled opposition."

What are you going to suggest next? The Illuminati are using haarp to control the protestors;)

In real news, Bernanke said today that the recovery is "close to faltering"
http://news.yahoo.com/bernanke-warns...214911972.html

and when questioned about the wall street protestors he said-
"I think people are quite unhappy with the state of the economy and what's happening. They blame, with some justification, the problems in the financial sector for getting us into this mess. And they're dissatisfied with the policy response here in Washington. And at some level, I can't blame them."

https://youtube.com/watch?v=e4wtkZL_fY0

1. First of all I hardly know anything about "HARP" except for the fact this is the second time you have brought it up so it seems you are the one who is obsessed with it. I think I have heard a few nutjobs talk about HARP so why don't you find those nutjobs and then you can have one big nutjob festival.

2. Are you a woman? I am just asking because your irrational scatter-brained response hints of a feminine author.

3. I am actually on the side of the bankers/financiers at this point. I began to study them when I was just a kid over 20 years ago. I began making some financial moves based on the fact I knew they were manipulating public opinion, politicians, and financial markets. Even though I am not "rich" I have made a nice sum of money trying to predict what they would do next. I am in awe of what they have accomplished and as a believer in "might makes right". I don't see why the 99% should get what they want since the financiers/bankers have worked their asses off while the masses sat on their asses, got fat, dumbed themselves down with endless hours of TV, lived the high life on home equity loans, etc.

4. Are the bankers/financiers/elites total psychopaths? Of course they are but they also possess something called an "intellect". I would rather attend a party full of criminal psychopaths than one full of braindead Fox News/CNN/History Channel watching turds any day.

*******, are you holding any investments right now?

You sound desperate to believe this whole thing isn't happening. Clearly you have something on the line.

I'm sorry to tell you, but this is not a "controlled opposition". It's happening, and for most people (including you, probably.. ) the types of changes they are pushing for would actually help you.

Now all I can think about is HARP...

http://beer-ligion.com/wp-content/up...er-206x300.png

...and I'm out of beer. Dammit!

I have some put options but not going to reveal what they are. I sold most of my gold and silver a few months back. I put most of my money into gold and silver after the 9/11 false flag. If had bigger balls I would have put all my money into a FOREX account and leveraged myself big time while the dollar tanked against the Euro. But FOREX is stressful so I probably would have ended up jumping out a window or something. :1orglaugh

Fair enough. The market has been a wild place lately. I'm not sure why you're so convinced this is staged, time will tell I guess :-) Good luck with your positions man.

No question about it, that's a powerful and thought provoking image.

Lots of veterans out there now who can't find a decent job :(

Here's some statistics for the so called business friendly states, as far as manufacturing goes. The decreases are in number of workers employed.

http://i56.tinypic.com/121vr6o.jpg
Arizona

http://i53.tinypic.com/2ug0vlz.jpg
Texas

Now compare those to the decline in a so called non business friendly state.

http://i52.tinypic.com/jph7cp.jpg
California

At a glance, it seems to show that a few jobs have moved out of California to other states, but the vast majority of lost manufacturing jobs have either left the country as a whole, or/and been automated out of existence. from about 1990 to 2009, every State lost manufacturing jobs. So while California may be unfriendly to business what you overlooking is the fact that the whole country is bleeding jobs. So think about it like this, the US is a sick patient, but the patient's sickness isn't isolated to an infected limb(California), the patients illness is systematic. The patient is hemorrhaging profusely in almost all parts of it's body, trying to save one body part is futile.

When free enterprise profit begins to affect the health of a country, where should we draw the line between businesses' rights to do as they wish, and limiting them when they wish to perform actions that will damage the country? If you are an American corporation drawing upon the excellent resources coming from being in America, you owe it to America and its citizens not to drain us by sending all the manufacturing and jobs to other countries. To do otherwise is cynically exploiting the US as a base while exploiting the cheap labor elsewhere. All around exploitation, while the CEO gets a $30 million golden parachute and ex-workers end up living in the streets. That's got to stop before we have nothing left.

this has nothing to do with what I'm talking about but just to respond, there are no ex workers living in the streets. stop buying into the horror hype and regurgitating it.

The Occupy Wall Street movement will either strengthen and focus, or it will go the way of hippy silliness, and fizzle out.

If it strengthens and defines its goals, it will definitely bolster Obama's re-election.

This is why Fox (and the like) and already attacking it.

Which is why the left media has been constantly been attacking the Tea Party movement.... The same reasons, but in reverse.

..... and before you come up with some silly crap about the Tea Party is different because it's being backed by a secret cabal lead by the Koch brothers, just remember that one could make the same case for a secret cabal lead by George Soros manufacturing this movement also, with the same or more actual evidence.

Here is a funny video for you to make my point.... Worth watching, no matter what side you are on.

If the OWS movement does not list its specific demands soon, you are right, it will be hijacked by a more organized group. That's been my issue with this since it began.

Your "George Soros is to the left, is what the Koch Bros are like to the right" is a consistent Fox Noise talking point. An idiotic, and non-equivalent comparison, but congrats to Fox for another successful brainwash!

I've never heard fox say that, probably because I don't pay them any more attention than the other agenda driven news sources. ...and if you get your news from only sources that agree with your already fixed world view, then you only getting half the story, and you are brainwashing yourself. You should really try branching out, and having the courage to look at evidence that you don't want to agree with. You may find your mind expanded a bit from it's current narrow and restricted field of view. It's not easy to do, but it's worth it.




p.s. Did you watch the video? Pretty funny when you think about it!
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Are you serious? Read over your posts here on GFY and then return back to discuss your centrist and open minded viewpoints. :1orglaugh

As far as the video goes... I think ANYONE can go into ANY crowd, and easily find people unprepared to conduct an impromptu debate.

If the person conducting the interview wants to highlight dialogue that bolsters their preconceived position (agenda), it is very easy to do so. Find a few weak people and put them up on YouTube, and edit out the answers you are not happy to hear. Not really a big challenge for either side to do.

Where did I say I was centrist? I'm a hard core libertarian, I believe in people having as much freedoms, both for themselves, and their interactions with others, as possible.


I'm talking about having diverse news and information sources. I'm not a centrist at all and I never claimed to be. What do the two things have to do with each other?

Maybe this really sheds light on my point. You apparently think that only a centrist can listen to many divergent information sources, because this fits with the fact that you yourself only get information from sources that you agree with.

You really need to branch out your information sources about the world. It can be difficult, but you will find out a hell of a lot more than simply going with the stuff you agree with.



:2 cents:.

I protesting was a waste of time you wouldn't have a penny or any rights. You're a fucking retard. :2 cents:

not sure who you are but I suggest you find a full time job.

Just as meaningful or meaningless as you want it to be...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=6yrT-0Xbrn4

what the moron being interviewed doesn't understand is that 30 years ago, the college drop out bill gates and the bastard child of a teenage mother larry ellison weren't out protesting Reaganomics. They were busy working away at the American dream. This deluded clown wants to be handed what others are working for.
This deluded clown has bought into the lie that the "rich" aren't just middle class people who worked hard and smart but that they're some super elite club that holds down guys who refuse to work hard and would rather "protest"

bill gates comes from the wealthiest family in his state and had the access to capital and connections and freedom that brought.

uh, they were nowhere near the wealthiest.
and ellison? or for that matter the guys who founded google? sheldon adelson? Jeff Bezos (another one born to a teenage mom), john paulson of Queens NY, george soros,

some of America's richest people all rising from the middle class or below.
most of the others in the top 20 were part of the family business created by their fathers (hardly hereditary wealth)

but go on, ignore facts. it ruins the liberal story of the wealthy holding down the hard working.

Just like so many “true conservatives” apologized for George W. Bush for all those years, now we are seeing those on the left apologize for Barack Obama.

It is truly sickening.

Posted below are 11 reasons why Occupy Wall Street protesters are hypocrites if they do not call for Barack Obama to resign immediately….

#1 Occupy Wall Street says that they are angry that the big Wall Street banks “have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give executives exorbitant bonuses.”

Well, if Barack Obama and John McCain had not aggressively pushed for the Wall Street bailouts back in 2008, they never would have happened. After Obama took office, he rammed through even more bailouts. The reality is that you could easily call Barack Obama “the king of the Wall Street bailouts”.

#2 Occupy Wall Street says that they are angry that the big Wall Street banks “have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.”

Yet they ignore the fact that 3 of the top 7 donors to Obama’s campaign in 2008 were the very Wall Street banks that the Occupy Wall Street movement is protesting.

Once again, Barack Obama will be taking in huge amounts of money from the wealthy and from big Wall Street banks for his run in 2012.

So why aren’t they complaining about that?

#3 One of the big themes of the Occupy Wall Street protests is the fact that Wall Street has way too much influence and power over the federal government.

Well, the Obama administration is absolutely packed with ex-executives of giant corporations and big Wall Street banks. Earlier this year, Michael Brenner wrote the following about the current composition of the Obama administration….

Wall Street’s takeover of the Obama administration is now complete. The mega-banks and their corporate allies control every economic policy position of consequence. Mr. Obama has moved rapidly since the November debacle to install business people where it counts most. Mr.William Daley from JP Morgan Chase as White House Chief of Staff. Mr. Gene Sperling from the Goldman Sachs payroll to be director of the National Economic Council. Eileen Rominger from Goldman Sachs named director of the SEC’s Investment Management division. Even the National Security Advisor, Thomas Donilon, was executive vice president for law and policy at the disgraced Fannie Mae after serving as a corporate lobbyist with O’Melveny & Roberts. The keystone of the business friendly team was put in place on Friday. General Electric Chairman and CEO Jeffrey Immelt will serve as chair of the president’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.

#4 Occupy Wall Street says that it is deeply concerned about the rampant corruption in our financial system.

The Federal Reserve is the very heart and soul of our financial system, and yet there has been very little real criticism of the Fed by Occupy Wall Street protesters.

If Occupy Wall Street truly wanted to do something about our financial system they would be calling for the Federal Reserve to be shut down.

But their hero, Barack Obama, actually nominated Ben Bernanke for a second term as Federal Reserve Chairman and Obama continues to support him 100 percent even after a horrible track record of failures that is legendary.

#5 Occupy Wall Street says that it is angry that big corporations “have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.”

This issue alone should be enough for Occupy Wall Street to call for Barack Obama to resign.

The Obama administration has pushed very hard for new “free trade” agreements with Panama, South Korea and Colombia and the Obama administration is currently making the Trans-Pacific Partnership (“the NAFTA of the Pacific“) a very high priority.

The Obama administration has been very aggressively trying to expand the “free trade” policies that are costing us millions of jobs.

In fact, members of the Obama administration run around and openly talk about how there are things that “we don’t want to make in America”.

For example, the following is what U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk recently told Tim Robertson of the Huffington Post about the Obama administration’s attitude toward keeping manufacturing jobs in America….

Let’s increase our competitiveness… the reality is about half of our imports, our trade deficit is because of how much oil [we import], so you take that out of the equation, you look at what percentage of it are things that frankly, we don’t want to make in America, you know, cheaper products, low-skill jobs that frankly college kids that are graduating from, you know, UC Cal and Hastings [don't want], but what we do want is to capture those next generation jobs and build on our investments in our young people, our education infrastructure.

Unions should be screaming bloody murder about this.

But instead they are going to line up behind Barack Obama once again in 2012 like good little sheeple.

#6 Occupy Wall Street says that the big health insurance companies “have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.”

Well, as I have written about previously, the health insurance companies helped to write huge portions of Obamacare. Instead of reducing the power of health insurance companies, Obamacare actually gives them more power and will actually increase their profits. The sad truth is that large portions of Obamacareare virtually identical to a bill that was written by the health insurance trade association in 2009. Under Obamacare, our health care costs will go up even faster and the quality of our health care will continue to go down.

#7 Occupy Wall Street says that they are angry because the big banks “have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.”

Occupy Wall Street is correct about this.

So where has Barack Obama been on this issue? The reality is that the Obama administration has done very little about the horrific foreclosure abuses that have been going on.

#8 Occupy Wall Street is upset that “our privacy” has been sold “as a commodity.”

Well, why aren’t Occupy Wall Street protesters calling out Barack Obama for his horrific track record on civil liberties.

The national security apparatus that George W. Bush set up has been greatly expanded by Barack Obama.

It was the Obama administration that decided that it was necessary for TSA thugs to feel our private parts before we board our flights and it was the Obama administration that decided that TSA “VIPR teams” should run around the country conducting approximately 8,000 “unannounced security screenings” a year at subway stations, bus terminals, ports and highway rest stops.

So where is the outrage?