dude, type away all day.
at the end of the day, your intelligence has gotten you exactly what you deserve.
pretend all day.
no one of any intelligence is thinking you're right.
when someone like you posts like this, why the bottom are the bottom becomes crystal clear.

"Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle." ~ Franklin D. (Bottom Rung) Roosevelt

lucky for you your ability is so limited. eh?

Yeah... lucky for me that I can divert money into less taxable income sources. :1orglaugh

It must piss you off to know that several in the top .1% pay less percentage of tax than you do.... but they're limited ones, right? :1orglaugh

I read a post on a mainstream board where a women claimed she was one of the "99%". She said she worked for "Tyson" for the past fifteen years as a "quality insurance inspector". She told the board that she works 12 hours a day, but only makes $11/hour.

I ripped her to shreds. She's not one of the 99%; She's part of the "bottom five percent". Meaning, in the past fifteen years she failed to rise above her entry level position and barely makes enough money to live above the poverty level.

Fuck her and fuck these people.

When I was seventeen, I had been a homeless runaway drug addict for the past two years. I joined the Marines, spent five years trying to climb up the corporate ladder at the local phone company where I made it to management (while watching hundreds of people twice my age never rise above a entry level position). Being as a job at the phone company making $70k a year wasn't enough, THEN I went to college.... And THEN I started all over again from the bottom when I was thirty (which paid off rather well really).

I understand people are hurting. I'm sorry. But that doesn't mean you should get to take away my shiny new Jaguar.

That's sad you think that way... in perspective you've always only been an employee and failed to rise above everyone else that opened companies. And those same owners failed to rise up to be bankers, and so on... stop applying a scale to it.

Just because a person makes low wages doesn't mean they didn't work extremely hard, do a damn good job, and not everyone is actually smart enough to do what you said either.... it takes every scale, level, size, smartness, money, etc to build an functional economy, it takes fairness too - or it falls, just like today.

The question is not what should be the minimum wage but what should the maximum wage be in a society.

The rich are only rich because society creates the conditions for them to make money, trains a workforce, keeps wages low, attacks trade unions, has courts to enforce contracts, builds infrastructure, finances research then privatizes the profit

Should one human being earn in one year what a thousand or a hundred thousand other human being have to work ten years to produce.

We forget money being abstract, that it represents wealth that working people have to produce.

Hell no.

I saw this at the phone company. I worked for Pac Bell for five years. I had a GED and four years in the Marines, and I accepted an entry level position at the phone company - Operator Services (I was a 411 operator). A year later I was a supervisor. After two years, I was training new telephone operators. By the third year I was a manager. By the fourth year I was in charge of the entire facility at night - I was in charge of 250 employees. Most of them were older than me, and making less than me.

Why is that?

They did the basic minimum to keep their job (and most likely bitched about it the entire time).

If you worked the same job for fifteen years, and your still working what is really an entry level position... You've failed. There's no two ways to look at it. It's not my fault she didn't work full time and put herself through four years of college at the same time.

it's a rally where people who post here can get free hot dogs

Not everyone can be a Marine, not everyone has the drive, and not everyones passion is the same once they are a Marine. It's the same in business.

Or for employees, some people are hired to do "a" job - a low skilled - low paid, job, that's it... they aren't smart enough to do much more - they aren't smart enough to grow education, or maybe they don't care to do much more. But, sometimes they rock it and are motivated at doing the best job they can - on the exact job they were hired to do, and not anything else, they're the masters of 'that job' - and the owners, know it.

Employees are worth different pay because of skills or education, etc... but that doesn't mean they are worth less or more to the economic process. And that's key.. in the economic process they make the smallest percentage of income - screw the amount, the percentage to 'live' on, is vastly smaller - yet they are part of the economic process - even the shitty employees.

Something has to give.... we can't all be educated, we can't all be owners.. and we can't neglect those that help people like us for much longer or they're going to rise up and take shit from us...... again.

Uh, no, chump. You see, that's the difference between you and I.
I applaud success and am happy for people who do well.
You see, son, envy is for you, the rabble

If that's truly what you believe, you're trash.
A person should be free to succeed at as high a level as they want, not clip their wings to satisfy the unaccomplished, unwilling, lowest common denominator that is you

Why would anyone strive to create a great company?
Why would anyone stay in college for 12 years to become a brain surgeon?
Why would you ever invent anything?

Get out and vote!

Yeah DOC it is life!
Get busy living or get busy dying.

So what would YOU do? Everyone get the exact same amount of money every week no matter what the job is??? NOT GOING TO WORK.

How about we just price everything on a sliding scale? a Car to someone without a job is Free, and the same car for the top1% cost 5 million?

Just Stop.
It is not the people earning the money, it is the politics, Cheats, scandles, government, and so on that allow bad things to happen.

Yeah... often you see me booing successful people, screaming at them unhappy things because they made money, yeah... are we done with this childish logic yet?

I feel pity on our citizens for the theft, fraud and criminal activities that took place, that nobody was held accountable for, that has been repeated, that sucked away tax dollars into personal pockets, that now requires decades of "our" taxes to just put a dent into the damage they created (while they pay less than either of us) and again nobody was held accountable for....

But yeah, bill gates, grrrr. some reason he's bad for making my life better! :1orglaugh

How did you come up with this out of what I said?

Whatever, clown. :1orglaugh

I was trying to figure out what you are saying?
You talked down on Rochard, for getting ahead of others but saying he wasn't ahead of some also. That because we are not all corp owners or the 1% we have no Voice.

i dnt rly care wht ppl protest i just like seeing it.

Yes this sucks and someone(s) should go to jail. Obama?
But, isn't it funny that the people protesting want the Gov to take more in taxes from the 1% so the Gov can waste more?

I wasn't talking down to Rochard... :)

I believe we're all part of the 99%.

I was saying we should not neglect to help those that earn less than us simply because we perceive them to be different minded than we are, or some how failed. They are as equally as valuable to the economic process as the top person, another words: The box stacker with a 4th grade education is just as valuable as bill gates, it takes both to make it all work.

Oh ok, sorry I did not read it that way!

I am with you on this part of thinking.

Obama wasn't President, and no Bush shouldn't go to jail, unless we could some how prove he did this, then.. that's different.

The core message is to have those that stole from us, pay for this... others are protesting all types of ideas, but those aren't part of the overall core message.

They also want to end all wars which would greatly reduce spending.

That's stupid.. People should be able to make as much as they can possibly make. However at the same time they should not be treated as anything special when it comes to paying their taxes.

It's simple if you earn more you should accept that you have to pay more. You don't get the bigger piece of the pie for half price.. That's where the issue is..

The wealthy pay more in one year than you will in a lifetime. How is that half price again?

I just have to ask.. when was the last time you got laid and didn't pay for it? Your anger has to be coming from somewhere, so lets start there. :helpme

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L O Fucking L.

Foolish pride has nothing to do with the issues at hand. This is the fundamental difference in beliefs that separates the left from the right. The right just assumes that all poor or unemployed people are lazy, shiftless and have all made bad decisions in life. Here's another quote from that Roosevelt speech I posted earlier in the thread:


government is supposed to be here to redress the inequities of the marketplace, either by putting people to work or by providing assistance, that's one of its functions. Not just to protect the nation, secure our security and all that shit. And not just to take care of great problems that are trans-state problems, that are national, but also to make sure that the inequalities of the marketplace are redressed by the acts of government. That's what welfare was about. There are people who really just don't have the tools, for whatever reason. Yes, there are lazy people. Yes, there are slackers. Yes, there's all of that. But there are also people who can't cut it, for any given reason, whether it's racism, or an educational opportunity, or poverty, or a fuckin' horrible home life, or a history of a horrible family life going back three generations, or whatever it is. They're crippled and they can't make it, and they deserve to rest at the commonweal.

Yeah, I didn't think you could answer the question, little troll. :1orglaugh

Your right. Not everyone has drive. If your comfortable working the same exact entry level job for fifteen years, then you have no right to bitch. Period.

Your wrong - Employees are always worth less or more in the economic process. A high school drop out doesn't make $200k a year at their first job. Likewise, your wife is worth a bit more than $20k a year because she's smart and qualified.

This is why Communism failed. There was zero motivation to even try.

interesting thread...egos run amok here bigtime

Wait, who stole what from whom?

Are you talking about the bailouts? Wasn't most of that money paid back?

We are quick to blame large corporations for this problem, when the truth is it was the 99% who were greedy, benefited the most, and caused the housing crisis. Anyone who bought or sold a house in the past six or seven years is directly responsable. If you bought a house for $220k and then sold it three years later for $550k, your guilty as sin. (I did it a few times.) It was the general public who was trying to make a quick buck on shady investments - buying houses - that caused this.

Lets assume "barely above" is 8.50. and because she specifically said 30+ this means she doesnt work fulltime. So lets give her 35 hours/week...

8.5 x 35 = $297.50

less of course taxes.

new total: $230/week.

lets assume a few things: she has cellphone, some form of transportation cost, everyday expenses. also housing.

monthly income: 920

apt: $650 at least even if rooming with someone.
food: $200 month
cell:$100/mo
utility bills etc: $150
make up/clothes: $100
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at least $1200

translation: she is a liar - or is being supported by a man.

the poor and unemployed all HAVE made bad decisions, are lazy, and shiftless.
The left assumes that the successful cheated their way to the top or had it handed to them. Neither of which is true. They simply worked harder and smarter.




please quote our constitution where it says any of this.
this is simply the leftist dream state. It has zero to do with reality.

Who said it, the tea party or OWS?

Can you get it right?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15246205


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The problem with the way things are headed, with the 1% getting richer and the rest getting poorer isn't about people being lazy or shiftless.
In a proper working democracy it should be possible to get an education, become a teacher, a cop, a firefighter or a nurse, and be able to live a decent comfortable life and be part of the middle class. These people work harder then most others, but are heading in a direction where even they are on the verge of being poor, and have to live paycheck to paycheck. All because they are getting fucked by the bankers, corporations and politicians who constantly work on changing laws to benefit the rich, creating corporate tax loopholes, and work more on campaign funding then they do on what they are suppose to.
Tell me this... Should it be expected by everyone who wants to live a decent middle class life, to have to try to climb the latter and get to the top in order to live comfortably?
What is a teacher/cop/firefighter/nurse that gets laid of because of budget cuts suppose to do to get a new job? Calling these people lazy and shiftless is just insulting. Of course there are lazy shiftless unemployed people, but that's far from the majority.

Lots of good info:

Occupy Wall Street and Who's behind it

good info? :Oh crap

It's funny to see how desperate people (or employeed government trolls) are to paint this movement as something it's not. Or to distract from the real issues it's addressing. To the experienced reader, it's easy to spot these trolls. They focus on unimprtant things, like "left or right", "republican or democrat", obama, bush's fault, other_leaders_namehere, distractions, stuff that doesn't matter.

This is the hivemind speaking and it's going to get shit done like you've never seen before.

You best believe it, dawg.

OWS are the dregs of society.

These people are losers..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause

Isn't that cute?

What a nice little puppy that was who wrote that sign :)

Somebody really should pet him on the head and say "good boy" and then open the door so he can go outside and drag his ass around on the lawn for a little while.

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=RGRXCgMdz9A

4x fiddy 1%'s runnin skerred.